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Parents and college students, listen up! College campuses all across the country are dealing with issues relating to sexual assault, drinking deaths and hazing. Did you know that as many as one in four college women are victims of rape or attempted sexual assault? And that 84 percent of college men who committed rape said that what they did would not be defined as rape in their own minds? Know the safety tips and warning signs before you or your child is caught in a crisis. Dr. Phil’s first guest, Cynthia, is a mother in anguish over the loss of her daughter, 19-year-old freshman, Megan. Seven months after Megan was allegedly gang raped by at least three men in her dormitory, the student took her own life. Attorney Gloria Allred represents Cynthia in a civil lawsuit claiming that Dominican College failed to investigate Megan’s alleged attack in any meaningful way. Hear the bizarre and disturbing twist in this story. Then, meet another freshman who’s already had two frightening experiences in her first month of college that left her mother wanting to bring her home. Plus, learn what you can teach your teen before he or she heads off to college, and the top five safety tips all students need to know to protect themselves on campus. Talk about the show here.

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October 15, 2008, 7:17 pm PDT

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Are you for real? If this wierdo felt he "owned her soul", do you really think a locked door wouldn't have just antagonized this freak more? I'm frankly scared for Meghan to go to class today and find out what the reaction from this guy is going to be. He's bound to already be upset that he didn't get to take full possession of what he considered "his", and now the entire dorm knows he's been made a world-wide pariah.

Girls are raised to believe that we are nothing without a man, and we are taught to be "nice" to everyone. Meghan made the mistake of letting this guy get away with it two times, and on the third occasion she did what she ought to have done - called the cops! And the cops probably made her call her parents and let them know. I know the cops at my dorm in college would have done the same. Thank God I stayed in an all-girl dorm and had trusted friends in the rooms around me. I'm just sorry Meghan is being picked on here for doing what she ought - and believe me, folks, the first month of college is extremely eventful, and for those kids who are out in the world on their own for the first time, these kinds of occurances can indeed make a kid want to talk to Mom about what should be done. Meghan did what was right, and she's learned valuable life lessons without having to go through what the first girl endured until she took her own life. Making fun of these kids and making them feel responsible for the actions of others is just wrong and reprehensible in those of you who have no more respect or sympathy for these girls than you've shown her.

I just pray your own children never have to deal with these sorts of problems, and if you do, I sure hope your daughters know what to do and that they CALL THE COPS FIRST AND MOM SECOND.

Okay, I have been going to college now for three years and here on this campus that the 2nd Meghan on the show has attended. Yes, she did not announce where she attended, but I have seen her on campus and I know the guy she is talking about. This post has nothing to do with the first Megan, and what happened to her was truly terrible and this is in no way to belittle anything about her or her story. This is soley to do with the 2nd girl. Why don't we listen to the guy's side of the story? No, most guys are not "sex crazed animals" that some believe them to be, and this guy is in no way in that category. What this Meghan failed to mention in her story is how they had met before and just so happened to end up at the same college, complete coincedence. So, what about when they were hanging out and she grabbed his phone to put her number in it herself? What about the time at 4 o'clock in the morning when SHE had gone down to HIS room, and not just once? She clearly had no problem with this guy acting weird, until she said he "owned her soul." Well, she didn't tell the part how she was passing out and he was nice enough, yes he was being NICE enough, to carry her back to the dorm and her bag as well out of concern in a friendly manner for her well being. He then made the comment, "It's like I own your soul or something," in a joking manner. No, I was not present when this happened, but she even made the comment today to one of his friends that "yes, he could have been joking." And don't say she said this out of concern that people would be mad at her for going on the Dr. Phil show for something like this. The next thing is that when he came down to her room, he had tried to call first and when she didn't answer the phone, he thought something might have been wrong and was just checking up on her. Now, for him coming in "unannounced and uninvited" she had let him into the room in the first place, no forceful entry by any means.

 

That is the side of the story that was not revealed by the girl claiming to get all this unwanted attention from the guy. This is not in reference to any other incident where yes, there are guys that do stalk girls or act nice to get close to them. I am not saying that things do not happen, even in plain sight or in dorm rooms. This is about the 2nd Meghan.

 
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October 15, 2008, 8:35 pm PDT

uh huh...

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I'm a guy and I'm not backing up the guys, especially the ones who can't control their minds and hormones, but women also dress in lustful ways and flirt with guys too much that it leads some men to do what they do and they end up raping women. I see women who like to tease guys and lead them on, and when they get the guys all fired up about the women they blow the men off. You don't mess with people's sexual feelings like that, especially when you know that guys will screw anything that walks and has boobs. The fact that you know that, if you decide to play the tease game then don't complain if you get raped. You get back what you put out there. If you don't like being raped or sexually molested, then stop flirting or teasing.

 

As for the inoccent women who get caught in this situation. First I would recommend every teenage girl by their freshman year in High School to take a self-defense class. Also I would say never go anywhere by yourself. bring at least 2 more girl friends with you. Don't go anywhere with a guy alone if you don't plan to have sex with him because most likely guys will have sex on their mind. Don't put yourself in that situation. If you ever do then at least you'll be able to defend yourself and may get a chance to run away and ask for help. Do all that you can to stay out of that situation. Double-Date, Triple-Date........BE SAFE!!!

Well this makes so much sense because everyone knows that god gave men a penis and a brain and not enough blood to operate both at the same time. Men are completely at the mercy of bodily functions and we should seriously consider removing them from positions of power. I mean can you imagine what would happen if there was a pretty large chested girl standing in front of the BIG RED BUTTON and the poor unfortunate man with a woody leaned over for a better look... poof... MUSHROOM CLOUD. Of course it would be the pretty young things fault that earth was annihilated because she is after all a woman with boobies, and you know how hypnotizing they are. So every responsible woman out there if you love your men and the planet earth please get yourself a burqa! ;-)

 

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October 15, 2008, 9:56 pm PDT

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Here, here!! I'm keeping this message to show other parents. I worry about my 13 year old son but I know he's not perfect and he will make poor choices at times. I see my job as his parent is to be there to steer him back on the right course...hard to do with blinders on.

I am having a hard time seeing the relevence of your comment to the very clear message of the show:  Colleges' occurances of rape and sexual misconduct are on the rise, and cover-ups by colleges are almost automatic.  Focus on the subject. 
 
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October 15, 2008, 11:20 pm PDT

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I'm a guy and I'm not backing up the guys, especially the ones who can't control their minds and hormones, but women also dress in lustful ways and flirt with guys too much that it leads some men to do what they do and they end up raping women. I see women who like to tease guys and lead them on, and when they get the guys all fired up about the women they blow the men off. You don't mess with people's sexual feelings like that, especially when you know that guys will screw anything that walks and has boobs. The fact that you know that, if you decide to play the tease game then don't complain if you get raped. You get back what you put out there. If you don't like being raped or sexually molested, then stop flirting or teasing.

 

As for the inoccent women who get caught in this situation. First I would recommend every teenage girl by their freshman year in High School to take a self-defense class. Also I would say never go anywhere by yourself. bring at least 2 more girl friends with you. Don't go anywhere with a guy alone if you don't plan to have sex with him because most likely guys will have sex on their mind. Don't put yourself in that situation. If you ever do then at least you'll be able to defend yourself and may get a chance to run away and ask for help. Do all that you can to stay out of that situation. Double-Date, Triple-Date........BE SAFE!!!

You have some good advice on the self defense classes and not going anywhere alone with a guy, but I would advise not going anywhere with a guy until you know him very very well, you shouldn't have to agree to have sex just because you go somewhere with a man, date, or friend.  Men thinking that you owe it to them is selfish and irresponsible. Men who take it without permission is a felon!   What if it were your sister going off with someone she trusted then was molested or raped?  What if it were your daughter? 

 

Now using the same logic you have up there... if you are wearing tight pants or loose pants that show your boxers and it turns on some pervert, is it OK for him to rape you, just because you dressed in a way that excited him?  What about that guy in jail with you after you force yourself on one of those women you don't have respect for?  Is it OK for him to rape you because you put yourself in a place where you know it could happen? 

 

NO is NO, it doesn't matter if a woman is naked right in front of you.  If you don't have permission to have sex, vocal permission, then you haven't a right to talk her into it, force her into it or think she is there  for you to use in anyway.  Even if you bought dinner for her, paid to take her to the movies, you didn't buy her.  If you don't learn to respect all women, you will find yourself in trouble someday.

 
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October 15, 2008, 11:37 pm PDT

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Okay, I have been going to college now for three years and here on this campus that the 2nd Meghan on the show has attended. Yes, she did not announce where she attended, but I have seen her on campus and I know the guy she is talking about. This post has nothing to do with the first Megan, and what happened to her was truly terrible and this is in no way to belittle anything about her or her story. This is soley to do with the 2nd girl. Why don't we listen to the guy's side of the story? No, most guys are not "sex crazed animals" that some believe them to be, and this guy is in no way in that category. What this Meghan failed to mention in her story is how they had met before and just so happened to end up at the same college, complete coincedence. So, what about when they were hanging out and she grabbed his phone to put her number in it herself? What about the time at 4 o'clock in the morning when SHE had gone down to HIS room, and not just once? She clearly had no problem with this guy acting weird, until she said he "owned her soul." Well, she didn't tell the part how she was passing out and he was nice enough, yes he was being NICE enough, to carry her back to the dorm and her bag as well out of concern in a friendly manner for her well being. He then made the comment, "It's like I own your soul or something," in a joking manner. No, I was not present when this happened, but she even made the comment today to one of his friends that "yes, he could have been joking." And don't say she said this out of concern that people would be mad at her for going on the Dr. Phil show for something like this. The next thing is that when he came down to her room, he had tried to call first and when she didn't answer the phone, he thought something might have been wrong and was just checking up on her. Now, for him coming in "unannounced and uninvited" she had let him into the room in the first place, no forceful entry by any means.

 

That is the side of the story that was not revealed by the girl claiming to get all this unwanted attention from the guy. This is not in reference to any other incident where yes, there are guys that do stalk girls or act nice to get close to them. I am not saying that things do not happen, even in plain sight or in dorm rooms. This is about the 2nd Meghan.

I take it that you got this information from the man himself.  I don't know either of them but it certainly seems unlikely that he would tell you he was stalking her or doing illegal things to her or even believe he is doing that himself.  She feels threatened, she needs to take care of it by turning it in to the cops.  If he is innocent or it has been blown out of proportion then he can fight it in court.  Remember she has to prove his guilt.

 

Now to prove my point I will tell you about a guy who was 36 and took a liking to my son who was 14 years old at the time.  I put a stop to him being around him by taking it to the law and getting restraining order on the man and going as far as putting a chins action on my son to keep him from going around him.  This guy to this day doesn't think he did anything wrong.  He wrote odd letters to my son, he bought him a jeep for his 16th birthday which he couldn't give him since he isn't allowed around him so he put a etching across the front window that says "In honor of Jordan" who is my son.  He told someone that he has a son named Jordan but his mother is such a b**** that he couldn't see him.  He bought a cell phone trying to get my son to keep in touch with him.  He doesn't think this is wrong, he didn't think anything of what he was doing including sending my father a bottle of expensive scotch and a letter asking that he talks to me so he can be around Jordan, my father sent it back.  You see, in his eyes, I am the bad one for keeping him away from someone he wants to be around.  He was about to be arrested for drug charges when he left town and didn't come back until my son was 18 and couldn't be forced to testify against him.  My son told him to get lost because by that time he realized why I was so concerned.  If a person has an obsession, he or she won't see her behavior as wrong, nor will he/she make it sound off to others when they are asked about it.

 
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October 15, 2008, 11:40 pm PDT

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While most of Thomas Kane's advice to college students was sound, "limit alcohol" made no sense whatsoever. First of all, it's illegal for anyone under 21 to even drink alcohol. Even though most seniors are old enough to drink legally, I don't think alcohol has any place on a college campus. And, how would you interpret "limiting" alcohol? One drink? Two? Three? Kane's advice should be No alcohol.
I agree totally.  I am sure he likes most people think that you can't stop kids from being kids and drinking, but I think you shouldn't ever agree that it is ok for anyone to break the law and that is what they are doing.
 
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October 16, 2008, 12:24 am PDT

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Have you been raped? Do you know what goes through the mind of someone who has been raped? Do you have numbers of how many who are raped who end up killing themself or tried to?

You don't take a happy person who has no mental problems then they are raped and then they are depressed and such and say that rape was not the reason they killed themself. The depresson and such can also be the result of the rape in the first place. They go hand in hand.

I know very well that if I was raped, I would kill myself. Because to me, my life is over. Sure a lot of the girls raped are not virgins but that doesn't make any more awful. Being a virgin, who believes that the person who takes that away should Only be my husband on our wedding night because its the greatest gift you can give to your spouse. Because it shows, I made you wait so why would I cheat and such. And the fact that your having sex with every person that the person has had sex with is just a nasty thought in my mind. So to be raped and have that taken away from me, I would kill myself. They would have fully ruined my life.

So don't say that girl killing herself isn't a result of being gang raped. Its major factor. Surely there is a psychology of rape books out there.

Its the worst act that can be commited besides murder. It makes the person shamed of them self and who ever said why should the person should be ashamed? Are they suppose to feel okay? Are they suppose to feel great? No, they are going to feel ashamed because sex, for some that is, is only for someone they "care" about. I say "care" and for some considering sex no adays has no meaning to it. People have it because it feels good and they have nothing to do. People cheat and so on. If you want to cheat, don't get married. Don't ruin someone's life.

Rape ruins people's lives in many ways. I also know if I was raped, my love would kill who ever did it (if he gets there before my mom does). So if he goes to jail for killing my rapist, there isn't anyone there to stop me from killing myself.

Its sad that rapist don't go to jail for what they do. Thank you to who ever posted that Watch Dog webtsite. Went there to look at rapists. Sadly all I found was how many who prey on children that live around me. Of course keep in mind that those are only people who were caught. There are plenty more rapists out there who have never been caught.

I think I've read enough sad stories and sadly enough BS on this message board for one day.

Actually the original writer is correct and they are wrong. The rape was the catalyst that provoked the rape but the real cause was her psyche that placed this act of violence at such a great significance to her that she could fall into a suicidal mindset. You are in act a contributer to that twisted way of thinking that in fact also contributes to much of th sexual violence in the world.

 

The fact is that rape is not the worst crime you can endure second only to murder unless you place such a high value on the matter that you make it so. And you forget that if you give it such great importance than it becomes just as important to someone who might not have the same reverence you have for it. For this reason rape is used in war to help to destroy an enemy by breaking the familial relationships in two when the woman is despoiled. Put in another perspective, if you don't place enormous value on a clear piece of carbon (diamond) then no one else will try to get more that you, try to take yours, or abuse thousands of  human beings to find new ones.

 

By giving a woman's sexual life such incredible mythical value than you can hardly be surprised that others with less respect for it will try to take it by hook or crook and that those that lose it will act stupidly and commit suicide. Be honest with yourself there is absolutely no rational reason to ill oneself just because you had sex against against your will.. Unlike many places in the world you will not be exiled from your family and society, you won't  shunned, you can still marry, you kids won't be harassed, you can still find a job.

 

All of the trauma, short of some generally minor physical discomfort, in most cases, is emotional and self imposed. Why is it that you think your life is over is the question you should be asking yourself. If you can recognize and accept this truth you will see that you are giving the act all of its significance and only at your expense. if you can one day reach the point of seeing rape as nothing more than the assault that it is then you will be less of a victim and will do the smart thing if you are raped and help ensure that the rapist is punished as is needed.

 
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October 16, 2008, 6:05 am PDT

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Quote From: danielamado

I'm a guy and I'm not backing up the guys, especially the ones who can't control their minds and hormones, but women also dress in lustful ways and flirt with guys too much that it leads some men to do what they do and they end up raping women. I see women who like to tease guys and lead them on, and when they get the guys all fired up about the women they blow the men off. You don't mess with people's sexual feelings like that, especially when you know that guys will screw anything that walks and has boobs. The fact that you know that, if you decide to play the tease game then don't complain if you get raped. You get back what you put out there. If you don't like being raped or sexually molested, then stop flirting or teasing.

 

As for the inoccent women who get caught in this situation. First I would recommend every teenage girl by their freshman year in High School to take a self-defense class. Also I would say never go anywhere by yourself. bring at least 2 more girl friends with you. Don't go anywhere with a guy alone if you don't plan to have sex with him because most likely guys will have sex on their mind. Don't put yourself in that situation. If you ever do then at least you'll be able to defend yourself and may get a chance to run away and ask for help. Do all that you can to stay out of that situation. Double-Date, Triple-Date........BE SAFE!!!

Your comment is written with the mindset that rapes happen to females age, lets say 14-28 or so who are drunk,  dressed  provacatively and are "flirty" in their behavior.  How, then, do you explain the rape of children who have no breasts or hips yet and are dressed in playclothes? They don't know what the word flirt means much less how to behave that way. or how about the older woman who is probably a widow. She is hardly dressed provacatively or  flirting for attention. How about the college girl who is home for the night in her pjs? She has taken her make up off, has her glasses on for studying  and her hair thrown up in a messy bun? Did you know that they too have been raped?  Say a woman is baking something for her child to take to school the next morning and it's gotten late. She discovers she is missing an ingredient. Shouldn't she be able to run to the store  even though it's late and dark to grab  something she needs without the fear of being attacked in the parking lot? Or is that her fault again?  Your view of rape is typical,sad and  narrow.  A womans dress, age and behavior has way less to do with rape than the males lack of control, sense of entitlement and base view of women.

  You say guys will screw anything that walks with boobs.  Does that make you proud to be one? What does that say about your gender?  Oh yeah that's just the way men are and we have to accept that. You are at the total mercy of your biology and completely helpless to control it. Thus the need for women to take self defense classes. What a sad state of affairs.

 
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October 16, 2008, 6:50 am PDT

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Well this makes so much sense because everyone knows that god gave men a penis and a brain and not enough blood to operate both at the same time. Men are completely at the mercy of bodily functions and we should seriously consider removing them from positions of power. I mean can you imagine what would happen if there was a pretty large chested girl standing in front of the BIG RED BUTTON and the poor unfortunate man with a woody leaned over for a better look... poof... MUSHROOM CLOUD. Of course it would be the pretty young things fault that earth was annihilated because she is after all a woman with boobies, and you know how hypnotizing they are. So every responsible woman out there if you love your men and the planet earth please get yourself a burqa! ;-)

Women in burkas are raped too.
 
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Women in burkas are raped too.
Satire is lost on you obviously.
 
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