Topic : 06/03 Virtual Chaos

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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

The Future

When are they gonna build an interface that will plug right into the brain so everyone can live in a virtual world, would that not be fun.

 

I guess many of these people are lacking something in their lives and try to make up for it on line. Then they become part of the virtual worlds they live in and sooner or later replace the real world.

 

I do believe a good game is fun but getting carried away with a non productive life in some virtual world can destroy lives and it does every day.

 
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October 20, 2008, 6:36 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: novaonline

WoW and other fantasy games are weird. (no affence)

 

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I understand your point about the whole your 14 thing, but soon enough, you woulnt be able to control your addiction (like me). You will try to stop, but then end up playing again, untill your like 35.

 

(ha, im only 2 years older then you, and i'm starting to sound like gaming runied my life)

Having been in MMO's for a long time I've noticed that for most people the "addiction" usually fades away after the initial rush.  It's like any new game you get, you buy it and play it almost constantly as you enjoy it. The difference is that people new to MMO's don't realize that there is no end to the game they're playing.

This is usually when the "addiction" causes a change in the person.  Either they keep going on their current path and fall into serious problems, or what happens to most is that they will either become a casual gamer or they will quit altogether.  Often those who quit will later come back as casual gamers as well. 


 
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October 20, 2008, 6:44 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Dr.Phil I truly want to thank you for doing this show. My husband Eddie is the same way. He is stuck on that stupid War of Warcraft game is pathetic. The diffrence between your guest and my husband is that my husband works. My husband knows that if he is going to stay stuck on a game and not have a job he is out the door. Now my husband wakes up every morning at 8:30 goes to work and then as soon as he gets home he takes a quick shower and gets on the game and stay up till god knows when. It causes me trouble to even talk to him because he will not respond to anything. He eats in front of the TV. He doesn't even get up to use the restroom. It's pathetic. On the weekends he does not like to go anywhere at all. He just wants to stay home and play that stupid game. He is so catered to it's not right. I just hope that one day you can mention his name one day on your show and tell him a couple of things. I'm making watch your show right now ho he can know the damage that he is doing to his body. He has been waking up with pain on his back, arm, chest etc.. There are times that his arm falls asleep. Well once again I thank you for doing this show. Your guest should give her husband an ultimatum and let him know that he as a man needs to take responsibility for his family or he can get out.
 
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October 20, 2008, 6:57 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: agamerchick

Honestly, you selfish wives will find any reason to complain about your lot in life, won't you?  I'm a happily married woman who also plays World of Warcraft (as well as several offline games) with my husband.  We play together, we spend time together - both in the virtual and real worlds - and are able to accomplish goals we set together.

Rather than being so condescending and selfish about what your husband does with his time, why not actually try to share that time with him?  Don't insist that he always bend to your mighty will, do a little work and try to experience his pastimes and pleasures with him.  Experience life together, rather than making him an unwilling tag-along in the life you perfectly design.

Families that play together, stay together.
I concur.  Well said.
 
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October 20, 2008, 7:02 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: ivyeve

Dr.Phil I truly want to thank you for doing this show. My husband Eddie is the same way. He is stuck on that stupid War of Warcraft game is pathetic. The diffrence between your guest and my husband is that my husband works. My husband knows that if he is going to stay stuck on a game and not have a job he is out the door. Now my husband wakes up every morning at 8:30 goes to work and then as soon as he gets home he takes a quick shower and gets on the game and stay up till god knows when. It causes me trouble to even talk to him because he will not respond to anything. He eats in front of the TV. He doesn't even get up to use the restroom. It's pathetic. On the weekends he does not like to go anywhere at all. He just wants to stay home and play that stupid game. He is so catered to it's not right. I just hope that one day you can mention his name one day on your show and tell him a couple of things. I'm making watch your show right now ho he can know the damage that he is doing to his body. He has been waking up with pain on his back, arm, chest etc.. There are times that his arm falls asleep. Well once again I thank you for doing this show. Your guest should give her husband an ultimatum and let him know that he as a man needs to take responsibility for his family or he can get out.
This is the kind of response that bothers me.  All you do is critisize him playing the game. 

Yes your husband is playing too much, but how is calling the game stupid making things better?  Have you ever tried the game?  I mean actually given it a real try, gotten a temporary account (they're free) and just played with him for a while.  I don't care if you hate it after playing it for a week, but at least give it a try. 

How do we compete with something if we have no idea what we're actually competing with?


 
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October 20, 2008, 7:03 pm PDT

Sarcasm Brings us no where

Quote From: lizwool

Helllooooo.....      If you would read the responses to this topic, a big problem with excessive gaming issues, is that  people like you dismiss what others are saying that they are experiencing because of excessive gaming.    You  link excessive gaming up with watching too much TV.  What excessive gaming can do to a person and relationships can be far more extensive that what watching too much TV can do to a person.  Many real lives and relationships have been totally ruined because of excessive gaming.  Some people, like you, can get back on track, and have some "control" over their gaming.  That is GREAT.  But, not everyone can.  As you say, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED RUIN IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE OF EXCESSIVE GAMING, DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT OTHERS DON'T!!  Not all people are like you!

I read this message and although there are some interesting things that you have to say here, your argument very much reminds me of listening to a bunch of people argue over which is worse for your health, smoking cigarettes or smoking pot. Well here is a news flash, neither is that great for you, in the simple common sense fact that inhaling smoke and coughing constantly is probably a sign of something bad.

 

Excessive television watching is just as bad as excessive gaming, the key word in there being... excessive. Anything in excess is bad, whether it be video games, TV, milk, pizza, shopping, etc. We should all strive for moderation in all things.

 

Having said that, I would like to put out some of my disagreements to the show. Video gaming has become a popular target over the past few years, mostly due to the popularity increase of online gaming. Where I disagree is that people that play those games are "they" or "them", and must be fake people just acting out their "avatar" in the game. When the reality is that millions of people play these games and I find it hard to believe they are all any more "fake" than the person you meet in a bar or other social event. Many people, if not all, choose to put up a front of who they really are to new people they meet.

 

This is now the second Dr. Phil show addressing excess video gaming. I want to stress that I do not at all disagree that this is a problem that should be highlighted, and that I do not agree at all with the actions of the guests, but I think that people are always negative to things they do not understand. So understand this, all people who play video games do not lose their jobs, ruin their marriages, and attempt suicide. We need to take responsibility for our own actions, and attempt to live well with the short time we have here.

 
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October 20, 2008, 7:16 pm PDT

Teen Solutions to WOW

We have a son who was extremely addicted to World of Warcraft, to the point of not eating, sleeping, bathing, etc., and who started to skip school starting at the age of 16 (10th grade), and extremely bored with school. We tried everything from counseling, to putting an automatic timer on the computer internet access, and nothing worked . . . until we found the Teen Challenge program in Bonifay, FL. Paster Dave Rutledge and his wife Barbara, are the Administrators of this particular "Boys' Ranch" style private, Christian, para-military school. It is a 15 month program, but it includes a private school, sports, a working farm, discipline, good healthy food, fresh air and sunshine, exercise, work ethic, and counseling for the teen, and parent/teen counseling every other month. It is NOT as expensive as some of the other "programs" out there, probably a fraction of the cost that a commissioned counselor would refer you to. It is well worth it! We have our son back! He is now 19, and although living at home, is in college full time and working part time. He no longer plays RPG's, is respectful and appreciative, and active in the community - and interested in politics! Amazing!

 

I would recommend "Gateway Drill Academy" (Teen Challenge of NW Florida - in Bonifay) to ANYONE seeking to solve this problem. Get control of your life back and the life of your son!

 

It was the hardest decision we have ever made, but well worth it! http://www.teenchallenge.cc/West%20Florida%20Boys/index.htm

 

 

 
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October 20, 2008, 7:34 pm PDT

Interesting show

My husband is a Wold of Warcraft junkie, but when he started playing== he became obsessed with it.  After about  6 months of neglecting our kids and myself (he was working and still is), I had to put limits on him with the game.  It sounds really ridiculous, but I felt like I was dealing with a teenager at that moment and not the partner I had married. But, at this time, he knows that there are limits on the times he can play and he sticks to them. I don't know that he was truly addicted, but he definitely could end up that way without someone in the REAL world saying "Hey, that's not healthy."  At any rate, I just wanted to comment that I think it was an interesting topic and while my husband's gaming is more of a hobby for him now than an obsession, I am always watchful to be sure that it stays that way......

Melissa in NC
 
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October 20, 2008, 7:35 pm PDT

Addicting games?

     I have to agree with the last woman on the show: it's not the game, it's the players.  I LOVE RPG's.  I've played them for years. Final Fantasy, Fantasy Star, Guild Wars, and have a current account with Disney's Toontown.  But I have NEVER played for hours on end, missed work, or neglected my family or responsibilities to play a game. 

 

     I still remember when the movie "Mazes and Monster" came out in 1982 starring Tom Hanks.  He was a young man playing a game similar to Dungeons and Dragons.  He became so obsessed that the game became real to him.  He started seeing normal people as monsters and even stabbed a man.  Even then, at the age of 13 (and a D&D player), I thought, "How stupid!"

 

     Being a huge fan of RPG's, I signed up for the free trial of World of Warcraft.  I played for may be an hour and got bored with it.  So I really don't understand the "addiction".  I truly believe that the people who become "addicted" to these games have other issues in their life and playing these games is their way of  escaping from dealing with those issues. 

 
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October 20, 2008, 7:38 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: fredwillard

I concur.  Well said.
That would be great if you have the time. If you have children, work and have a household, there is no real time to WOW.  I understand the game -- my hubby has explained it to me and I watch him play sometimes for awhile, but it takes a long time to play it-- it's not something you can play together for just one hour a day.
 
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