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Created on : Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:37:10 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/17/08) A new study shows that in America, as many as one in five men is having an extramarital affair, and that 15 percent of women are cheating too. Is your spouse being unfaithful? Jessica says she caught her husband of two-and-a-half years, Ryan, having an affair with his ex-wife, April, whom she thought was her friend. Ryan admits to having a one-time-only rendezvous with April, but April says it occurred closer to 60 times. Who's telling the truth? Jessica fears her husband and April are still keeping secrets from her. Because Ryan and April share custody of a son, Jessica laid down specific rules for when they interact. Are these stipulations keeping Ryan's behavior in check? After Dr. Phil sends Ryan backstage to have a private conversation with his wife, does he admit to more than the one-night fling with April? Will Jessica decide to rebuild the bond with her husband or cut him loose? Then, Daniel admitted to his wife, Karen, that he had an emotional affair with a woman he met online. Only days before coming to the show, he confessed that the affair was sexual. He says he's sorry and wants to put his family back together, but will Karen take him back? Speak out!

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November 20, 2008, 12:20 am PST

I don't understand you...................

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You have a serious problem that needs immediate attention. Sitting around reading bits and pieces of advice, or anecdotal history of people completely removed from you is not going to help. You do not have time for such nonsense. Do not sacrifice precious time stroking the ego of strangers. This board is for entertainment there are no qualified unbiased professionals practicing here.  Anyone with half a conscience would tell you to get professional help.
What is so wrong with the idea of any of these women reading articles, not articles that "I" wrote, that have to do with affairs? Good grief, they happen to be very good sources of information for both women and men. It doesn't mean that they can't seek counseling at the same time. How much time would it take out of their life to sit and read an article or two? This has nothing to do with stroking my ego, how could it? It's your ego that is at stake here since you think you are the "the supreme being". I'm sorry to disillusion you by telling you that my ego has nothing to do with anything. What you are unable to understand is the fact that there are others who actually care and want to help someone who happens to be hurting. You have repeatedly stated that you feel no kinship with other women and that you do not believe that we should help each other rather than try to tear each other down. Well, I happen to believe otherwise. I feel it is high time for women to stop being wary of one another, to stop bringing out the claws, to stop being jealous of one another, and to stop trying to undermine each other. We should support other women instead.  And BTW, in supporting each other that also includes other women refusing to knowingly sleep with married men.
 
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November 20, 2008, 2:07 am PST

How sad.......................

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A friend told me about this show. I am amazed. October 27, 2008 at 8:28am my husband of 15 months ask me to meet him before work. I do, anxiously! Loving to see him before work since he leaves so early in the morning that i don't get to see him until i get home from work. He get in the SUV and say "I need you to know I love you so much, I have so much respect and admiration for you" I'm looking confused.... he is looking down... "whats going on" I ask. He looks straight into my eyes and tells me he has been sleeping w/his ex-wife. (the ex wife that slept with his bother-in-law, which ruin family get gatherings, the ex wife that was caught with enough meth an paraphernalia thats it was considered intent to deliver, with one of there children in the car, the same ex wife that....anyway). He tells me he loves me and it just happened. I am holding back my tears. I calmly ask him when. He says "the last time was the 22nd". Which was less than a week. I asked where. He said "sometimes it was on the side of the dirt road" (they meet at the end of our dirt road every other weekend so she can have the children, we have full custody) "sometimes it was at her brothers apartment." then he says "you don't want to know details..believe me...i know"... I was still very calm asking "if you knew how it felt since she did it to you then why"... he didn't really have an answer. But he did want to assure me and I'll use his exact words "you don't have to be self conscious...her body is really bad...and your is great"....he says this like it is going to give me comfort. I asked him calmly to please exit my vehicle...i do not want to look at you". He did... So I called her She let me know that this has been going on before the marriage and about 6 months into the marriage... I am confused...lost..scared...hurt.. ashamed.. I could go on.. But most of all I am concerned! I am concerned because I have 2 children he has 2 children all from our first marriage. We have no children together. I am concerned first because the kids are going to be confused. I am concerned that i might have some sort of STD and that makes me more concerned for the kids. I am concerned that the kids will find out. But mostly I am concerned because all 4 kids have grown into a loving family, I love all 4 kids equal.. and care for all 4 kids as they are all my own. The first words after I found out was "please don't let the kids know anything is wrong" when I called his ex wife... I asked her to please not upset the kids and asked her not to let them know what was going on. I then called his mother and asked her if she could gather some of his things... i filled her in and asked if he could stay with her for a while.. and let her know I didn't want the kids involved or aware of this. (the kids are 8-boy, 6-girl, 6-boy, 4-girl). I just didn't want them hurt or confused or concerned. I have worked very hard to gain acceptance and love from them and i don't want to jeopardize that. So as of today he is in the house until the kids go to bed. Then he is off to his mothers. I am not sure what the future holds. I am ordering a DVD of the show> In hopes that it will led me in the right direction. I am a strong woman, I have a great job making great money, I know I can make it on my own. I am not scared to be alone or to do anything on my own. But.... I truly, deeply, completely love him. I am hurt and devastated and many other things. Right now I think I just need help from someone on the outside to lead me in the right direction. Any suggestion? Books, literature, movies, facts, no  matter the price/cost.... somethings are priceless.. I just need a solid direction. Thank you

I find it sad that someone would advise you to ignore my offer because they believe it would stroke my ego. Apparently some people are missing something inside themselves that would make them want to help another person for no other reason than that they care. You of course can do as you please and I won't be offended if you turn down my offer. I only offered because you asked. Let me know if you want them, you have my email address. If not, I wish you the very best.

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Jewels

 
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November 20, 2008, 8:08 am PST

I just couldn't sit by.......................

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Of course I would want to be told... but I am not so sure I could do the telling... bad isn't it?  I guess if I knew for sure, like you did and know that the woman could end up with some STD, I would think I would call and tell like you did.  You have a lot of guts and probably saved that woman's life.
It may have taken guts but I just couldn't have knowledge of this information and not ever say anything to this woman. She had children, she had her life, for her husband to endanger her life with Aids is unspeakable. And BTW, it isn't bad if you can't do the telling, keep in mind that old saying about the bearer of bad news. Before I picked up that phone I put a lot of thought into it and tried to figure what I would want to know, that is how I based my decision. I wouldn't want to be exposed to the HIV virus due to a sick minded horny husband. I hope I at least made a "good" impact on that woman's life.
 
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November 20, 2008, 8:22 am PST

Didn't mean to cause problems

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You have a serious problem that needs immediate attention. Sitting around reading bits and pieces of advice, or anecdotal history of people completely removed from you is not going to help. You do not have time for such nonsense. Do not sacrifice precious time stroking the ego of strangers. This board is for entertainment there are no qualified unbiased professionals practicing here.  Anyone with half a conscience would tell you to get professional help.

I just wanted to hear what other people had experienced. I didn't expect someone to act like a professional. I honestly didn't want to cause trouble. In no way was my message meant to stroke any ego's. I do plan on going to see a professional. But I think life experience is sometimes the best advice you can be given. If there is someone that has gone through the same thing as you have and has survived it gives you something. And sometimes it helps to talk to people that you aren't paying to listen to you. With my first marriage we went to a professional... we mainly did all the talking and honestly i left feeling like they were taking sides. I didn't want someone to take sides, even if it was my side. I want someone who understands and knows the feelings, pain, misery...etc, I think it helps to know that you aren't the only one this has happened to. A professional can see a million people and think they know how i feel, but until you go through it...you have no idea... i feel like someone has sucked the air out of my soul, i am empty, i am lost. I want to read about others and know about others like me so that i know that i am not alone.

i didn't mean to cause anyone on this message board any problems. I am sorry. I would like to add... that for me this is not entertaining. This is real. Dr. Phil is looked up to by many. i dont get to watch his show and the other day the first time I even looked on thise site. But I did so because i heard about someone who was going through what I am. I am not expecting a professional to be on this site. Right now I am looking for experience. All this is still new to me. I am confused...scared....you name the emotion and I am pretty much living it. i want to know how real people with real problems cope. Again I didnt mean to cause any problems.

 
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November 20, 2008, 8:41 am PST

I'm sorry..................

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I just wanted to hear what other people had experienced. I didn't expect someone to act like a professional. I honestly didn't want to cause trouble. In no way was my message meant to stroke any ego's. I do plan on going to see a professional. But I think life experience is sometimes the best advice you can be given. If there is someone that has gone through the same thing as you have and has survived it gives you something. And sometimes it helps to talk to people that you aren't paying to listen to you. With my first marriage we went to a professional... we mainly did all the talking and honestly i left feeling like they were taking sides. I didn't want someone to take sides, even if it was my side. I want someone who understands and knows the feelings, pain, misery...etc, I think it helps to know that you aren't the only one this has happened to. A professional can see a million people and think they know how i feel, but until you go through it...you have no idea... i feel like someone has sucked the air out of my soul, i am empty, i am lost. I want to read about others and know about others like me so that i know that i am not alone.

i didn't mean to cause anyone on this message board any problems. I am sorry. I would like to add... that for me this is not entertaining. This is real. Dr. Phil is looked up to by many. i dont get to watch his show and the other day the first time I even looked on thise site. But I did so because i heard about someone who was going through what I am. I am not expecting a professional to be on this site. Right now I am looking for experience. All this is still new to me. I am confused...scared....you name the emotion and I am pretty much living it. i want to know how real people with real problems cope. Again I didnt mean to cause any problems.

Dear Tammy,

  I feel it was horrible that you were even caught in the middle of all of this, especially when you are already going through so much. The only reason that she even bothered to say all of that is because she has a problem with me, and wants to make sure that you don't take me up on my offer. Like I have said before, it still stands, but if you choose not to that is also OK with me. My ego can certainly handle it. I just hope that you find support and comfort wherever you may, and I wish you my best.

Sincerely,

Jewels

 
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November 20, 2008, 9:40 am PST

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I just wanted to hear what other people had experienced. I didn't expect someone to act like a professional. I honestly didn't want to cause trouble. In no way was my message meant to stroke any ego's. I do plan on going to see a professional. But I think life experience is sometimes the best advice you can be given. If there is someone that has gone through the same thing as you have and has survived it gives you something. And sometimes it helps to talk to people that you aren't paying to listen to you. With my first marriage we went to a professional... we mainly did all the talking and honestly i left feeling like they were taking sides. I didn't want someone to take sides, even if it was my side. I want someone who understands and knows the feelings, pain, misery...etc, I think it helps to know that you aren't the only one this has happened to. A professional can see a million people and think they know how i feel, but until you go through it...you have no idea... i feel like someone has sucked the air out of my soul, i am empty, i am lost. I want to read about others and know about others like me so that i know that i am not alone.

i didn't mean to cause anyone on this message board any problems. I am sorry. I would like to add... that for me this is not entertaining. This is real. Dr. Phil is looked up to by many. i dont get to watch his show and the other day the first time I even looked on thise site. But I did so because i heard about someone who was going through what I am. I am not expecting a professional to be on this site. Right now I am looking for experience. All this is still new to me. I am confused...scared....you name the emotion and I am pretty much living it. i want to know how real people with real problems cope. Again I didnt mean to cause any problems.

You did not cause any trouble at all. You asked for help. I believed professional help is the best help you can have. There are many people on the internet and there is no way you can know the truth of their motives or experiences. A poster here dislikes me because we do not agree. I just ignore her because futility is not a concept I enjoy. I wish she would do the same, but she is unable. It is not your problem, and you did not cause it. Your post sounded so desperate that I immediately thought you were in crisis and needed professional help. A part of my job is crisis management, and I always go straight for the best person for the job. A crisis is a crucible, and that is where my head was when I read your message. Once the crisis has subsided, all the other things come back into play, like anecdote, history, comparative experience, and so on. If you do not like the professional you have hired fire them. I hope you have some close friends or family you can turn to in the mean time. Please put your mind at ease as for me there was no problem caused by you. Best of luck.

 
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November 20, 2008, 9:42 am PST

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My wife doesn't understand me. We are getting divorced. My wife is having an affair. I can't leave her she's sick. Or the woman wants some sex and companionship without the hassle of having to have a relationship. There are a million reasons. Sometimes it's understandable, most times not. How do you know her daughters even know? What my mother does is none of my business.

I have no idea what her daughters know, but I know that they have met my husband and how he is introduced (oh this is my friend, oh this is my boyfriend.....I have no idea).  But I do know that my husband has the older daughter's cell phone number in his cell phone......I do know that my husband says that I have lost my "passion".....and I guess he has found it with this other person....and I use the phrase loosely.....and all of the above mentioned reasons that you have stated are all lies......but then again I am sure that lies is what keeps this going......

 
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November 20, 2008, 10:33 am PST

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I have no idea what her daughters know, but I know that they have met my husband and how he is introduced (oh this is my friend, oh this is my boyfriend.....I have no idea).  But I do know that my husband has the older daughter's cell phone number in his cell phone......I do know that my husband says that I have lost my "passion".....and I guess he has found it with this other person....and I use the phrase loosely.....and all of the above mentioned reasons that you have stated are all lies......but then again I am sure that lies is what keeps this going......

These situations always call for lies or they go no where. If he said, "I have a beautiful wife that treats me well and loves me," he is hardly likely to get any play. If someone is in a marriage and they are unhappy, for whatever reason, I think they should get out. That being said I despise liars. Be honest and have enough dignity to make it as clean as possible. It is easy to have passion when there is no bad history, or day to day grind. Do you think you have lost your passion? What he has most likely found is a bottle of Viagra and a brainless twit looking for an easier life. Anyway, he is projecting his inadequacies on you. You are free now to do what you want, enjoy yourself, and try not to mourn something that does not exist. Good Luck.
 
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November 20, 2008, 11:21 am PST

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These situations always call for lies or they go no where. If he said, "I have a beautiful wife that treats me well and loves me," he is hardly likely to get any play. If someone is in a marriage and they are unhappy, for whatever reason, I think they should get out. That being said I despise liars. Be honest and have enough dignity to make it as clean as possible. It is easy to have passion when there is no bad history, or day to day grind. Do you think you have lost your passion? What he has most likely found is a bottle of Viagra and a brainless twit looking for an easier life. Anyway, he is projecting his inadequacies on you. You are free now to do what you want, enjoy yourself, and try not to mourn something that does not exist. Good Luck.
I have not lost my passion at all.  It was lost with the day to day stuff....you know when you have married for 25 years things do slow a bit......I know he is projecting all his anger that he has about himself on me.  It's very sad indeed!  Thanks for the words of wisdom!
 
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November 20, 2008, 10:53 pm PST

An Emtional Affair is...

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I would like to know what is the definition of an emotional affair?? 
An emotional affair is one in which the two become best friends, they confide in each other their most intimate thoughts, hopes and dreams, things they would not tell another. I believe in an emotional affair, there can be and most likely are sexual feelings and attraction, even if it's only 'outercourse', but mostly it is the giving of your heart to the other, falling in love, but not focusing on sex as in a purely physical affair.
 
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