Topic : 09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Does that also make him a killer?

Oh my gosh!  That interview says it all.  He is a psychopath!  I can't believe someone like that is walking the streets!  He has contradicted himself so many times it just pathetic.  Why can't statements be used as evidence?  Why can't they compare that to the timeline and use all the statements against those criminals.  Having sex with someone while they are coming in and out of conciousness is rape people!  At least put them behind bars for that.  Good for Beth for hiring an international lawyer!  I have great hopes that more evidence will turn up.  I am still praying for justice! 

HERE IS WHERE JORAN IS GOING TO SCHOOL: Arnhem Business School################################THEIR WEBSITE IS:http://www.han.nl/restyle/international/int-abs/fac_frameset.xml################################THEIR EMAIL IS:international.abs@han.nl################################# OR: abs@han.nl################################As you can see, they are trying to appeal to international students - and they certainly wouldn't want bad/negative international publicity.###############################WHY DON'T WE WRITE ABS? AND ASK HOW THEY CAN GUARANTEE THE SAFETY OF THEIR STUDENTS WHEN THEY'VE ADMITTED INTO THEIR UNIVERSITY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - AND SOMEONE WHO HAS, AT THE MINIMUM , HINDERED THROUGH HIS LIES, A RAPE/KIDNAPPING/MURDER INVESTIGATION AND WHO IS STILL, LEGALLY, A SUSPECT IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOULD YOU SEND YOUR CHILD TO A UNIVERSITY WHERE A SUPSECTED SEX OFFENDER/PREDATOR OR SUSPECTED RAPIST/KIDNAPPER/MURDERER IS SO VERY EASILY ADMITTED??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THE WORLD KNOWS WHAT SORT OF PERSON JORAN IS, AND THE WORLD IS AWARE THAT JORAN IS ATTENDING AND REPRESENTING THEIR LEARNING INSTITUTION. THE STUDENTS THERE SHOULD AND MUST KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF THEIR CLASSMATE, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FOR THEIR SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WERE ATTENDING A UNIVERSITY , WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW IF THE FACULTY [AND FELLOW STUDENTS & THEIR PARENTS] WERE AWARE THAT A SUSPECTED SEX OFFENDER/PREDATOR OR SUSPECTED RAPIST/KIDNAPPER/MUDERER HAS BEEN ADMITTED???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ARNHEM, DON'T YOU THINK THEY WANT TO BE AWARE OF JORAN'S PRESENCE IN THEIR TOWN???? WE ALL WANT TO KNOW IF A SEX OFFENDER/PREDATOR IS LIVING IN OUR TOWN/NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE US, THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE STUDENTS DESERVE THE SAME INFORMATION FOR THEIR SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. WHAT DO YOU AND OTHER READERS ON THIS BOARD THINK OF THESE ACTUAL DOCUMENTATIONS. I THINK PARENTS NEED TO READ THIS TO KEEP THEIR KIDS SAFE/AWARE - RE: JORAN SITES: ################################## Here is the link to get to his site http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/09/things-are-definitaly-looking-up-joran.html ################################ Here's an old one http://www.zorpia.com/loverboy362 Maybe he forgot about it? ############################## Another one http://den-e-zone.com/?i=409 ############################### See if any Dutch boys can translate this. It tells what a "loverboy" is -- a PIMP http://www.lover-boy.nl/praaterover/index.htm ################################## _________________________________________ BASIC TRANSLATION FROM DUTCH TO ENGLISH. IMO, THIS IS TELLING BUT MAKE YOUR OWN OPINION. Tactic of loverboys The loverboy go in search of little girls. He parks expensive cars or scooter for middle schools be, a chat in coffee hops makes, kroeg or discoteek. Or he waits for little girls at relief houses. He spoils her with gifts and kind words, how the little girl becomes gradually amorous. The loverboy go with the little girl to bed. To make the little girl dependent, the loverboy try float a wig between the little girl and its surroundings. By inciting the little girl for example to sex with its friends he reduces the threshold to prostitution. The little girl is entirely dependent, then its attitude changes. Under the mom of money lack or a being open debt, he places under pressure the little girl to go against payment with another one to bed. An argument thereby is that it is now the time pay back the gifts Mostly the little girl is tevens incited to the use of soft drugs or alcohol.[!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] As a little girl once in the prostitution works, she is watched sharply, and if necessary threatened and manipulated.################## .............................. Love is.. .. anyway do not incite your girlfriend to prostitution#################### Loverboys play dirty game.[!!!!!!!!!!] They win your heart firstly, seduce you with attention and expensive gifts. You have been once charmed, then they force you to prostitution. In the strip the friend of Natasja [OR DO YOU NATALEE OR NATASJA, WHICH IS IT JORAN?] forces her with another boy to bed go. This calls we forced sexual contact, and that is illegal.########################## Verkering for the money Loverboys zoekt verkering to deserve money. Such a boy tries persuade you have sex with others, against payment. In the beginning loverboy complete lief are. He does everything make you to the sense. This way palmt he you slowly. He makes you dependent With gifts for example, which you must pay back later ' in kind '. Or by deflowering itself. For foreign little girls from gelovige families the way has been then already concluded frequently. The honour of the family stands on the game.#################### The envelope Be you once dependent, then its attitude changes. Under the mom of money lack or a being open debt, he you place under pressure. Natasja from the stripverhaal admitted and went with Danny to bed. Fortunately she dared its tell tale to a girlfriend. Read a description of how loverboy work goes.######################## Orphan on your hoede! Arm you against these charming lords with beautiful chats and expensive gifts. They frequently recruit on school squares or in discotheques. Even if the moment he zoekt contact, an alarm bell must tinkle will at you. Up to that point as Natasja cannot let come you better it. You never let force do to something, where you are not to. It does not make from how old you are or how long have your verkering. You decide.

IF YOU MISSED JORAN'S ON AIR INTERVIEW, HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM MSNBC: Joran on Rita--MSNBC 9 27 (brief transcription) …obviously she was drunk. I had stuff to drink, too. But now that I don’t respect that the Arubans authorities try to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, . . . One day I will explain exactly what happened but right now I don’t…I don’t feel ready to do that. [SAY THAT AGAIN JORAN]

ARTICLE POSTED TODAY IN PHILLY NEWS: MISSING TEEN'S MOM HERE Will retain local lawyer to get Aruba to move on case of missing Natalee Holloway By GLORIA CAMPISI campisg@phillynews.com BETH TWITTY, mother of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, missing in Aruba, plans to meet today with an international attorney in Philadelphia to see if there is anything more she can do to find her missing daughter. Twitty, on her way here last night in a limousine provided by businessman and philanthropist Joe Mammana, who has contributed $250,000 in reward money in Natalee's case, declined to name the attorney. "I want to see what my options are, and how do I go about pursuing those," Twitty said. Natalee, 18, an honors student, hasn't been seen since May 30, the night before she and other students from her Alabama high school were to return home from a senior week trip to the Caribbean island. Aruban authorities arrested seven men in her disappearance. including two Surinamese brothers and their friend, Dutch teen Jaron Van der Sloot, 17. They were last seen leaving a bar with Holloway the night of her disappearance. Van der Sloot allegedly has given conflicting statements to Aruban authorities. All seven have been released, four of them, including van der Sloot's father, a magistrate, early in the investigation. Van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were released on Sept. 3. "They did it [released the young men] under the cloak of Katrina," when national attention was drawn away from Holloway's case by the hurricane, Mammana said angrily. He said he has been involved in the case almost since it's inception, after learning about it on KYW radio, and talked daily with Twitty when she was in Aruba and "several times a week" to her husband. Mammana has provided numerous rewards in cases of crime victims and missing persons, among them LaToyia Figueroa, the missing pregnant Philadelphia woman later found slain, allegedly by the father of her child. Mammana said he would take Twitty before City Council at its weekly session tomorrow . "They want to acknowledge her. I'm going to bring her in with Councilman Jack Kelly," he said. Van der Sloot is now studying at a university in Amsterdam. Twitty said last night she would travel to Holland to publicize the case. "We've had reward posters printed in Dutch. We wanted to make sure it's out in Amsterdam and in the Hague," she said. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate. "We are so determined," Twitty said. "We just feel like if we just continue, that something will break." She said she wanted to put pressure on Aruban judicial officials to go further with the case. "These three young men cannot commit the perfect crime," Twitty said. She said she believed enough pressure would crack one of the suspects "and we will finally find out what happened to Natalee and where she is." Twitty said her family still has hope that Natalee will be found safe. "It doesn't look good, but as parents you always have that hope. It's what keeps you going." Twitty said she feared van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers kidnapped Natalee, "raped her and murdered her. I'm certain they drugged her. That's my worst-case scenario. "We know the facts. All three of these men have admitted to having sex with her, that constitutes a gang rape." Van der Sloot and the brothers originally told investigators they had dropped Holloway off at her hotel the night of her disappearance, prompting authorities to arrest two security guards. Van der Sloot later said he had been on a beach with Holloway but had left her, unharmed. Dutch Marines, Aruban police and thousands of volunteers have scoured the tiny island, which says has about 71,000 residents, but have found no sign of Holloway. Searching by divers was going on as recently as several days ago but has turned up nothing, Twitty said authorities had told her. "They're telling me the case is open," she said. Twitty said previously the investigation by Aruban officials showed a "level of ineptness [that] has been incredible." Yesterday, Twitty said she believed Natalee's case had been "mishandled. I would say that there is some level of collusion and corruption that has been going on in the investigation." Mammana called Aruba "a Third World ghetto," where crimes against American tourists go unreported, and said he planned to help Twitty launch a nationwide boycott of the Caribbean nation. Mammana, a businessman whose investments include suburban real estate and dairy and egg farming, said he would help Twitty find lawyers to press Aruban authorities to go on with the case. "We're going to hound and harass these people forever," he said. "The Aruban government and anybody else involved with this, that we feel did not cooperate and help us. "We're not doing this for money," Mammana said. "We're doing this for revenge. Forget justice."

SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING, I DID NOT TRANSLATE THIS DUTCH TEXT, RATHER NUMEROUS SITES WHICH TRANSLATE DUTCH INTO ENGLISH, SUCH AS ALTA VISTA BABEL FISH AND OTHER REPUTABLE TRANSLATION SITES. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO FORM YOUR OWN OPINION OR TRANSLATE THE DUTCH TEXT INTO ENGLISH FOR YOURSELVES

THIS IN FROM THE AP AND IS POSTED TODAY ON USA TODAY: Man says he did not assault Holloway; teen's mom disagrees NEW YORK (AP) — The mother of a missing Alabama teen said Tuesday that a Dutch man was lying when he denied that he and two other youths had sex with the young woman before she disappeared during a trip to Aruba. Beth Holloway Twitty, responding Tuesday to statements from Joran van der Sloot in an interview with the magazine show A Current Affair, said van der Sloot has admitted sexually assaulting her missing daughter, Natalee Holloway. Holloway Twitty, appearing Tuesday on ABC's Good Morning America and CBS's The Early Show, said van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe told Aruban authorities they had sex with her daughter after leaving a bar on the night of May 30. In the interview, which aired Monday, van der Sloot says, "I kissed with her but neither did Deepak or Satish ever had sex with her and no one ever said otherwise." Not so, Holloway Twitty told CBS' The Early Show. "He admitted this to the interrogators," she said. "He admitted this in front of 10 witnesses in the early morning hours of May 31st of the sexual assault that he committed against Natalee. So, yes, that is a fact."[THAT IS A FACT & THERE ARE 10 WITNESSES] Holloway, an 18-year-old honors student, had graduated from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala., and was on a class trip to Aruba. She was last seen leaving a bar with the three youths. Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers had been held as suspects in the disappearance. But no charges were filed against the three, who were released after an investigation into possible sexual assault and murder. "I don't respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case," van der Sloot told the television show. He said both he and Holloway had been drinking when they left the bar. "She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual."[TOTALLY CONSENSUAL?] Van der Sloot, 18, is now attending college in Holland. Holloway's mother said she plans to go to Holland to make sure the case is not forgotten. She also disputed van der Sloot's statement that he had "never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. Never. And there is no one that can come forward and say otherwise." "Absolutely he's lying," said Holloway Twitty.[JORAN IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ONE OR MORE COME FORWARD/CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD] Van der Sloot admitted he and the Kalpoes lied when they initially told authorities they dropped Holloway off at her hotel. He said he actually went to a beach with her and left her alone there when she declined to leave with him. "We agreed to lie," he said. [WHAT COMPELLS YOU TO ALL/WE AGREE TO LIE, AND CONTINUE YOU TO LIE, IF YOU HAD NO INVOLVEMENT IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE?] At another point in the Current Affair show he said he lied because he was scared and "didn't want to admit to leaving her alone at the beach."

Pff, you're making way too long text to read it all, so i'm just reacting on your last post.
Maybe you could try to put your texts in little pieces? That's much better to read and 

allows you to put forward your statement better. The trick for that is to make a text start and 

end with the thing you want to get across. In between you can put arguments to underline  

your statement. So you get: statement - arguments - statement. And then another little piece 

of text. Sorry, this is kind of a habit of mine: editing texts. So, i hope you won't feel offended. 

I only mean this as a little help :) 

  

Anyway, back on-topic.
What I'd like to say first, is that ìf Joran has done something wrong, he must be held responsable 

for that. But, and i've said so already in a previous message: do not convict him before there is any 

evidence. I think judges are quite capable of figuring out if he's guilty or not. That's why they have that job.
Second: the person quoted most in this article is Beth Holloway Twitty. With all respect for her 

grief, but you can hardly call her impartial in this case. I do fully understand her need to find out 

wath has happened to her daughter and who has done it, but she is playing judge here and i do 

not think that's right. 

Third: how old are the guys that are accused? 18,19? Something like that. I cannot remember right now. They are mere boys. I am not saying it's a good thing, but scared kids might resolve to lying. 

It's not okay, but it happens. 

I'm a person living in the Nehterlands and I travelled the world round. I find it very horrible what happened or did not happened. I mean. There's no evidence whatever and that makes this case really mysterious. Cause if there was a body we could close this case. It is just like the case of the beautiful Jon Bennett who had been kidnapped and murdered. Till today there is no conviction and there is no suspect.  

I know the minister of justice personally, I was in Aruba for about 2 months (july/august) and I talked everyweek with mr. Rudy Croes. He sad that they were doing their ultimate  effort to solve this case, because there are so many things that depends on it.  

One of them is the image damage concerning their popularity in the tourism authority.  

I don't think that with a boycott you will be helping this case. I can here almost everyday on aruban radiostations people expressing themselves against this case. A lot of people despite their sympathy to Beth are getting a hating feeling against her. Just because what she is doing.  

  

I wish from the bottom of my heart that Nathalee is alive and well somewhere in the world. But to boycot an island like that i can't sympatise with that. What I'm seeing is that here in Holland are many people turning their back to the US just because of this. They say:" We send money for the victims of Katrina, We send engineers to the place and is this how whe are being thanked".. Netherlands is a good friend of the States, Balkenende is a good friend of Bush, and you will jeapordise that for this case.  

  

Let the local authorities do their job, and if you want to help let the US feds (FBI) assist them in solving this case. But putting this pressure will not lead anywhere.  

  

Imagine that someone is convicted of a crime that he didn't committ. Imagine that Nathalee is somewhere enjoying here life. We need to keep an open mind about this. 

  

It is a very misterious case..............