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Topic : 09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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Created on : Friday, September 09, 2005, 03:42:10 pm
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It's a story that captured national attention and struck fear in the hearts of parents everywhere. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. Now, Dr. Phil uncovers information never before revealed.  Tune in for exclusive interviews -- some potentially incriminating -- with witnesses, suspects and their families and friends. Find out what the polygraph says about a crucial witness, and hear Natalee's mom describe how the horror of losing her precious daughter unfolded over one heartbreaking summer. Share your thoughts here.

 

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November 17, 2005, 11:24 pm PST

Possibilitiy of the suspects

 Isnt there a way to find out if the young man and his father that left aruba were paid for natalie. Could there be the chance that the boys that last seen her were working for someone and sold natalie to a top notch distributer of the sex traid? I think we should look into that possibity.
 
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November 18, 2005, 7:56 am PST

why does the prosecuter refuse to meet?

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Probably like most Dutch people, I get very annoyed and irritated when reading most of the posts on this forum. One of our biggest complaint about Americans is the way they think their way is the only right way. In this case you prove this complaint to be too right.

But this case is about Natalee Holloway, one of the many American girls who is missing. I do not know, or I do not want to know, why the press made such a big deal out of this specific case, but, like with every missing person, we all want the case to be solved.

However, in trying to solve this case it does not help to blame innocent people (as said before, in the Netherlands suspects are innocent until proven guilty), it also does not help to boycot Aruba (it will only hurt the Aruban people and believe me, they want this case solved already!). What helps is good cooperation between countries, and trusting each others legal system. Apparently this is a complex case and you can't force a solution. Have a look into the numbers of how many of these cases never get solved and then stop blaming the Aruban government that this case hasn't been solved yet.

Finally I want to make clear that it is not even sure yet if Natalee Holloway is dead or not. Therefore don't say that Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers have murdered her, not untill that has been proven. The damage you can do with falsily accusing someone is immense, so if it does not help the case why not just be careful with what you say?

Everyone please think before you say something. Saying Dutch citizens are all about sex and drugs is the same as saying all Americans are retarted and war-lovers.
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November 18, 2005, 9:20 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

As we see here (and on tv) there are many differences between Holland and the United States of America. Things you think are ridiculous happen here and the other way around. There should be a Dr Phil about why people in other ountries do things different. Comparing the relatively social and tolerant society of Holland and the harsh selfish republican United States of America. But I think when the Dr.Phil people start working out the show they'll notice so many differences they'll cancel the show. At first they got some cool items: abortion, drugs, prostitution. But when they ask dutch experts on the items... they see we thought about those issues very objectively. We dont lead our country with emotions, but we research whats best for a country and we're realistic. Also we make sure the rich people dont get involved to much with politics becuase we know (and I know this will sound absurd to you) that people who are rich and powerfull want more money and more power. Thus when politicians start saying: 'the awfully rich people should pay less tax' we get rid of that politician because we think they have enough money to live good, lets help the poor people first. Besides all that we have the strange habit of keeping our word at conferences to end poverty in the world (giving 0,8% of the BNP to third world countries) and help the environment. But may be all this is easier to reach in a small country instead of a big country.
 

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November 18, 2005, 11:07 am PST

HOW AIRLINE MAGAZINES CAN HELP

To all involved with the girls' search:  Contact the airline (airlines that fly into these places) magazines to put in the girls' pictures as missing.  If anyone frequented these brothels, they may recall the faces.  State that all identities will remain secret.  Attaching Dr. Phil's logo to this could help credibility.  No details about their hostage need be presented in the airline magazine page.   

  

You will have to depend on an "outsider" for help...this is one way of reaching the outsiders.   

 
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November 18, 2005, 6:26 pm PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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  The senator of Alabama called for a boycott on Aruba and to my concern a lot of Americans seem to support this action. I would like to point out that instead of boycotting Aruba you should be boycotting your governor for using the disappearance of Natalee Holloway to get political votes. (yes it is re-election time) Making a statement about Natalee Holloway will increase his TV time on Fox and will raise the number of voters voting for him. I sincerely hope Americans will see this scam.
I think every state should BOYCOTT ARUBA.  Most of these listing sounds like the person who put her into "sex slavery".
 
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November 19, 2005, 11:49 am PST

different systems

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In the interview in the hotel lobby with Deepak, he said, "If I knew where the body was, I would have told them long ago," clearly demonstrating that he knew that she was indeed dead. Given just this little bit as well as the admissions that they all had intercourse with her as she slid in and out of consciousness; it is unbelievable that these young men could walk out of jail and in one case leave the country. 

  

We can as a nation organize a boycott of Aruba. It certainly is not the only island in the area. Curacao is barely a few hundred miles away. If we all decide to inform travel agencies and tour companies that if they have tours to Aruba, we will take our vacation business elsewhere,  until the Aruban government and legal system make some real and clear effort to let justice be done. They don't have to find suspects, they had them in jail.  

  

I can assure you that we will not even consider Aruba a destination until that is so. 

  

Veronica 

You guys let OJ simpson go free. A man that murdered his wife. Before judging something you must first see the difference between the Dutch judicial system and the american judicial system. Although you didn't say anything bad about curacao. thx for that.
 
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November 21, 2005, 2:54 am PST

could someone who saw Holloway show recently?

The one that occurred last week-like an update show- I camein the last15 min.  Could someone discuss what happened before that.  What  is the story with what the detective is watching, something about moving some girl around by some people....I BTW  think Beth Holloway is what makes America great---conviction and resilency.......
 
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November 21, 2005, 1:35 pm PST

NOTES FOR NATALEE

First I want to say God bless Natalee and her family... I have been following Natalee's case from the start, and recently I have been wondering how I could help. Well, I currently attend West Virginia University School of Medicine.  I was searching the web for new information on the case and came across this web page.

  

 

  

 

http://teamamberalert.net/news/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9357

  

 

  

 

On the site I came across a campaign that is encouraging everyone to take part in... It is "NOTES FOR NATALEE"  Basically it is asking people to write letters and show support for the importance of this case.  Then it lists an address to send the letters to.  The site even offers a sample letter.

  

 

  

 

What I did was copy and pasted the letter and made hundreds of copies of it.  Next week at WVU I plan on sitting at a table and encouraging people to sign the letters.  Then I will be mailing them into DC. 

  

 

  

 

I think putting more pressure on the government to continue supporting the case is very important.   This is also an extremely easy campaign to carry out.  So I am encouraging everyone on this site to look at the web page and make copies of the letter and have friends and family members sign it and mail it to the address given...aokeefe@mix.wvu.edu. If anyone has any questions about it feel free to email me and I will help get you started... Thank you and I hope everyone participates!! The numbers will show in the end, I really believe that! 

  

 
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November 22, 2005, 2:15 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE BOYCOT. ESPECIALLY AFTER READING ALOT OF THE REDICULOUS COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS OF THE NETHERLANDS. YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT. YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO SAY THE LEAST. THESE COMMENTS ARE MADESUGGESTING THATYOU HAVE NO REMORSE AND ARE FORGETTNG THE FACTS. THESE BOYS HAVE LIED OVER AND OVER. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE NATALIE IS. JUSTICE NEEDS TO BE SERVED AND YOUR SCREWED UPLEGAL SYSTEMNEEDS TO QUIT PROTECTING THESE IDIOTS.BETH IS A STRONG LADY , AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO A PROBLEM FOR THE PEOPLE ARUBA. AGREE WITH BETH 100%. THANK YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM IF THE BOYCOTT PREVAILS. THEY OBVIOUSLY ALSO DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF ARUBA. GOD BLESS BETH, NATALIE, AND FAMILY. GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what do you suggest. Invade aruba as well? 

and the netherlands too? 

why not invade every country in the world? So that the the whole world can carrie guns, the gap between rich and poor get's even bigger. no other languages will be spoken other than American..(it's not english according the brits). if you're rich your cases wil be handle faster, better and... with media attention.   

  

The only thing you are doing by saying stuff like that is the rest of the world start to dislike americans with their hypocracy. 

  

Tend to your own garden first and make it perfect before you give comments about other peoples garden. 

  

  

 
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November 23, 2005, 4:55 am PST

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

At first, I wondered if I’d attribute anything worthwhile to this discussion by writing a reply. Not necessarily because I feel my opinion is unwarranted, but mainly because the sheer lack of respect and knowledge on substantial matters on ‘both sides’ – so to speak – in this discussion.

  

 

 

  

 

Of course, media coverage in an effort to help solve a missing person’s case is always welcome and as such, the initiative shown by doctor McGraw is to be applauded. However, I do have various problems with the exact message he, and others, is sending out.

  

 

First of all, I do now feel it is wise for someone who has little to no knowledge about the legal system (neither the Dutch nor Aruban) can make claims regarding incompetence and such. I’m not a psychologist and therefore, I would not utter any claims which fall within that area. I do however, have some knowledge about the Dutch legal system, as I’ve studied law at the Erasmus University in the Netherlands, with a specialisation in criminal law.

  

 

 

  

 

Although there are some differences, both legal systems (Dutch and Aruban) are similar in many aspects. I’m not involved in the case, so I have no full insight in the files on the matter, nor does dr. McGraw nor anyone else here on this message board; therefore, some more consideration regarding what one’s saying might be prudent.

  

 

 

  

 

It is always very unsatisfactory when cases such as these aren’t resolved, but I suggest we take a closer look at the possibilities (under law) and the effort that has been made to solve this case. The three main suspects have been detained and questioned. The maximum period one can spend in custody before the first hearing takes place (which can also be a so called ‘pro forma’ hearing), is 110 days. There has to be a certain level of suspicion and several other grounds (type of the crime, danger of fleeing, etc.) for this period to be upheld. Obviously, this wasn’t the case with the three suspects in question. The report that Joran van der S. has fled the country is also ludicrous, as he has moved to the Netherlands, which is part of the Kingdom. Massive search parties, which included local police, Dutch police, Dutch armed forces, FBI and volunteers, have spread across the island. Dutch fighter jets have made reconnaissance runs over the island, a practice commonly used in the Netherlands itself, which often provides worthwhile information in missing persons’ cases.

  

 

 

  

 

None of these searches has provided with anything substantial.

  

 

 

  

 

One must also understand that no other law enforcement agency apart from the Aruban police have judicial authority on the island. Not even the Netherlands, the island’s parent-state, has such authority under normal circumstances, as the island – although not autonomous – is self-sustaining, apart from foreign policy and defence issues.

  

 

 

  

 

Would a boycott of the island help matters? I sincerely doubt it. First of all, I can’t help asking why one would want to impose such a boycott. Granted, the outcome thus far has been far from satisfactory, but sometimes that’s just an unwanted result in a criminal case. Not every case is solved and many take a long time to be solved. The boycott is nothing more than a cry for help – understandable because of all the emotions, but emotions are never a sufficient guidance in solving cases like these, or any other for that matter.

  

 

 

  

 

I’ve read several appalling replies from several posters, throwing filth around without – as is often the case – actually making a point. Some have even discusses whether ms. Holloway was a virgin or not, or about the way she was dressed. I honestly don’t see why or how this could be relevant to the case; in blunt terms, even if she wanted to walk around naked, that still doesn’t mean anyone had the right to touch her. Many people have also talked about the three suspects or, as many people put it, the three killers. As far as I know, someone is innocent until proven guilty – the presumptio innocentiae is a basic principle of criminal procedure and, as in many national laws, it is codified in e.g. article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

  

 

 

  

 

Some have also expressed their concerns regarding the lack of information which is offered to the Holloway family. Like I said earlier, I’m not involved in the case so I can only speculate about the motives. Most likely, there could be fear for the integrity of the investigation, as Mrs. Holloway has expressed her opinion (not often very politically correct nor based on facts, but considering her situation, I won’t hold it against her) in the media on several occasions. Spreading certain information around could hamper the investigation and as such, would offer a valid reason for the Aruban prosecution service not to indulge any further information.

  

 

 

  

 

To summarize, I understand the emotions this case has brought with it, but I also feel these have led to wrong assumptions on every side. People with no knowledge about certain legal systems should be careful about what they say on matters like these. Crime happens everywhere and considering the overall low rate on Aruba, it would be wrong to paint them off as a criminal and corrupt island.

  

 

 

  

 

 

  

 

 
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