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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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May 30, 2006, 9:34 pm PDT

Mom needs a different kind of mirror

It won't matter in the whole scheme of things what either of these girls look like if they butcher the English language like their mother.  In which trailer park did "Mom" learn how to speak??  I think it's interesting that she thinks that precious child might make a bad impression, because she's a little over weight, then she lets fly with gems like "ain't", he done, I seen, etc..  She is just a sorry person who happens to have a great head of hair covering a very empty head !!!
 

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May 30, 2006, 9:35 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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This may seem kind of weird, but I'd really like some feedback.  Almost 2 years ago, I met a man on a reputable dating website.  At the time I weighed over 300 pounds.  (I'm 5'3" and should weigh about 118.)   I wasn't so much looking for a romantic relationship then, but for a friendship with someone of the opposite sex.   When we initially spoke on the phone this man praised me for having such good character, being so accepting, and having such a great personality.  I was very upfront with him about my weight, and he confided to me that he had also had a weight problem that he continued to work on.  "We can work on it together."    Over time we became somewhat close, and I began to seriously work on losing weight (we still had not met in person, but we spoke on the phone daily, sometimes for as long as 2-3 hours at a time).  A year passed, and we began to acknowedge to each other that we were thinking about each other in ways that were more than just friendship.  I lost 132 pounds in that time, and while I still had a great deal more to go (another 60 at least), I looked so much better, and I felt so much better that we agreed to finally have a face-to-face meeting.  He said to me many times not to be self-conscious, because he wasn't so concerned about those things I could change (my weight), but rather about those things that were more difficult to change (my character).  I was so excited to finally meet this person.  We both had some fantiasies about the other, yet both of us had also said we wanted reality, and were more interested in character over the long term.     

   

When we first saw each other, I got hit with a huge dose of reality.  Even though I had seen a picture of him, he looked much older than the picture led me to believe.  He was also more overweight, and had some other physical characteristics that were less than attractive, but after my initial shock wore off it took me about 30 seconds to decide to see him through the eyes of the relationship I thought we were building, and the only thing that was important to me was his character and who I believed him to be.  Unfortunately, he was unable to do the same for me.   This man who had been so warm and accepting on the phone suddenly became very detached and distant.  He said very little over dinner, and seemed to be a million miles away.  Instead of the long face to face talk we were going to have, he suggested a movie.  After it was over, he walked me to my car, and we went our separate ways.  We talked about it later, and he admitted that he felt very guilty but that he couldn't deal with the excess weight and that fact that I looked older than he had anticipated I would.  He said he wanted someone he could "introduce to his friends and be really proud of."   He also told me that I was everything he wanted in a relationship as far as personality, character, and inner qualities, but that he wanted to wait to find someone who had those same qualities in a prettier package.  

   

Needless to say, I was heartbroken.  Am I being unrealistic to wish that he could have seen me the same way I chose to see him?  Especially since I was still working hard at losing the weight.    I've heard Dr. Phil say that "men fall in love with their eyes" and "women fall in love with their hearts."  And that certainly seems to apply here, but  I don't quite know what to do with that, and the result of this experience has me feeling that at 55 I can never be loved again because there's no way (even once I complete my weight loss - which I indend to do) that I can go back and look like I did at 30, or even 40.    

   

I would like some honest feedback, especially from any males out there, as what is realistic here.  Am I just way to idealistic?  I realize that might be the case.   Incidentally, we still talk on the phone occasionally.  (He calls me - I rarely contact him.)   He often confides in me about women he's dating (somehow he rarely seems to have more than one date and they tell him they don't want to really pursue the relationship.)    What do you think?  And what should my response be now?  (I'm not entertaining ideas of a future with him.... but I'm willing to be a casual friend.)  The problem I'm finding now is that even though I'm continuing to lose weight and expect to reach my final goal before the end of the year, I've lost all confidence in myselfl as a person worthy of love.   I'm a business professional, in a position of high visibiilty, and very good at my work, but this has really shaken my belief in myself as a worthwhile person, and I'm not sure where to go with it.    

   

Anyway, it's good to "vent" a little, but I'm still hopeful of resolving this inner conflict in a way that I can live with.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  

   

Your weight loss is awesome! Way to go you!!!

I'm so sorry that happened to you. It just goes to show that anyone can have a shallow mind, it's not just the pretty people.

I'm more than sure you can be loved again. You struck out on that dating site once, maybe you can give it another go?

I disagree with Dr Phil, not ALL men fall in love with their eyes...maybe most, but certainly not all.

You seem like a wonderful woman, good at your job, articulate, and the ability to lose that much weight shows a lot of character...I am not in the least worried about you or your love life. Things will come about. You know what they say, these things happen when you least expect it.

Damn....I am so sorry you ran into someone like that...not all men are jerks. Just be you, you seem like a wonderful woman...some guy out there will see that and grab you up!
 
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May 30, 2006, 9:35 pm PDT

Some people don't deserve to be parents

I was never so disgusted in a guest like I was with this so called mother that treated her daughters so differently just because of looks!  Everytime she opened her mouth to answer a question or explain her feelings my skin crawled.  Children are nothing that we are entitled to.  When we are blessed enough to receive one we only have one chance to make that child into a loving, caring, giving, confident and strong person.  It's our responsibility.  For this mother to take no blame for the way this child looks and acts just bugged the snot out of me.  If she could just learn to teach her child how to be a confident person she would see the changes in how her child carries herself. 

  

I have and autistic little boy who did not ask for his condition.  This was a card that life delt to him and I tell you what.... I will be by his side till my dying day supporting him and showing him that even a person with his disabilities will be able to go out and do ANYTHING!  It's my responsibility to provide him with all the tools needed to get him through life as a strong human being. 

  

I hope that so called mother gets a clue as to how to raise a child.  If she doesn't, she will set herself up for major disapointment and BOTH her kids are going to be basket cases before thier lives even get started. 

 
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May 30, 2006, 9:37 pm PDT

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pretty and ugly daughter

My god this show stunned and horrified meI wanted to smack that mother debi and grab Victoria and tell her someone loves her and cares about her and that she is beautiful and worthwhile person.  The way Debi treats her and then blames her daughter for it is disgusting and when she said i like decorating Hunters room but she gave Victorias away to her step son because she didnt take care of it and she now sleeps on the floor of the pretty sisters room and then was more horified to when she said she was grossed out when victoria gets out of the shower and  she sees her fat rolls on her stomach  and is embarassed to be seen with her and she is a sloppy eater with all the food she eats.  No wonder she overeats thats the only comfort she gets and she proably gets sloppy because she knows this is the one thing that gets her some attention from her mother even if its negative any is better then none I guess.  The capper was when she said she rented a hotel room for Hunter and 10 friends with a jacuzzi in it  for her birthday and Victoria had no party and no cake and she spent maybe 30.00 and not  the 600.00 she spent on Hunters party in the hotel room. She signed Hunter up for cheerleading but not Victoria beacuse she wasnt pretty and doesnt even help with something as simple and fundamental as homework but she helps Hunter until she is done, this woman, and I use the term loosely, needs to drug out into the street and shot  like the animal that she treats her daughter like.  The only mercy on that show would be if some real mothers waited for her after the show and kicked the crap out of her to knock come sense into her, although I doubt that it would help, and I know that peolpe would read this and think violence is wrong, well how is what she is doing to her daughter and different from physically abusing her infact physically hitting her would be kinder and alot less scarring.  Lets all say a prayer for this BEAUTIFUL LITTLE girl and hope that someone out there helps her find a better more loving life then she has been subjected to for all her young years.   

    

Cindy   

  • I felt so sorry for Victoria. My name is Lisa and I have  end stage Vitaligo I have huge patches of skin where there is no pigment. I like to tell people that a lepord really can change its spots because mine change daily. The stage that I am in my imune system has gone into over drive. My hair has started to fall out and I have arthritis. I have had it so long that when people stair at me I forget that I have the spots. Because of that I have alot of friends. I am most impressed with the people that ask me what is wrong rather then the ones that stair at me. The thing that hurts most of all is when my father tells me to wipe the milk from the left side of my mouth over and over again. It's not mik. The best part is when my mom tellsme that  I am beutiful I am so blessed that my mom is my safe place to fall
 

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May 30, 2006, 9:37 pm PDT

still happening to me

Hate to say it but I am one of those people that is having a hard time, whether it is at work, school, or going to the store.  I am headed to the age of 40 next year.  I am lonely, tired of being treated like dirt.  My family still doesnt want me around.  We took a family vacation a couple years ago.  All I seem to hear is that we cant do what you want becuase of your brother and his family.  I seem to have to fight with everyone I come in contact with.   

  

Growing up I had several friends, but they became busy with their new lives and forgot about me, I had one person even tell me to my face that they didnt want to hang around sigle people because they are only looking for one thing.   Just like I was the plague.  Other friends I kept in contact with but I finally am to a part that when do they start keeping in contact with me, I am tired ofd paying the bill all the time to call california, alaska (time before cell phones).  If I dont contact my firends to stay in touch...they dont call me...why is that.  Why should I be the one that always keep in contact with them.  They are the pretty ones and skinny and have families.  Why do I need to be treated differently because I am the fat ugly one.  When I saw the show on May 30th on the pretty / ugly I was very upset and brought up a lot of feelings of how I felt growing up and still haunts me to this day.  Shame on those mothers ....we just need love too.  It hurts when no one cares I am still there, I cry almost every day.  I go to work  and back home and keep the lights off and chat with people over the computer, because I know they cant see me so it doesnt hurt so bad and at least there is someone to talk to.  I hope your children dont carry all the scare I have for 39 years.  Make them feel worthy, and let them know you care.  I know it would make a world of difference if I had that right now. 

  

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May 30, 2006, 9:37 pm PDT

What is Debi thinking???

I almost couldn't believe my ears.  I have a wonderful 11 year old grandaughter who comes home from school worried about not being popular because she doesn't think she is cute enough.  I always try to remind her that I think she is the cutest thing alive but that what matters most is how she feels and behaves that is the most important.  The funny thing is that the girls that think they are the greatest aren't really that beautiful at all and they act horribly.  I could never dream of telling her that I think she is ugly like Debi does.  How can anyone look at a child of theirs and think they are anything but the most beautiful person that God has ever created???
 
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May 30, 2006, 9:38 pm PDT

Debi, Victoria's female parental unit

Wow, I cannot believe the Debi cannot see the beauty in her daughter, Victoria.  She really is a beautiful little girl, it's a shame that her female parental unit (she doesn't deserve the title mom) refuses to love her as she should be loved, unconditional.  I hope & pray that her father can give her enough love to override the horrible damage that Debi has done in her short 7 yrs.  Shame on you Debi, shame on you.    

   

By the way, it doesn't matter how you look, you are ok, but when you speak, all I can think of is you must be uneducate, wrestling fan, trailer trash, because your grammer was terrible!!  Using double negatives & the wrong verb tenses!  I'll take unattractive, but smart over attractive, but stupid any day!  

   

   

 
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May 30, 2006, 9:40 pm PDT

Today's Show

While I agree with the premise of Jay's experiment, I have to say that if ANYONE simply said to me in a mall "do you have a second" or "can I talk to you for a second" or some other generic statement, I would walk away from them regardless of how they appeared.  I think the results of the experiment would have been more accurate if he had said something like "can you tell me where to find (store name)".  A lot of people would have walked on, but I think more would have responded if he had been more specific.  The words he used to approach people walking by made him sound like a panhandler or pervert instead of someone seeking help.  JMHO
 
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May 30, 2006, 9:42 pm PDT

A CHALLENGE TO JAY

It was interesting that Jay couldn't wait to be his good looking self again. I think that this experience really shook him up, as well it should. It was a profound experience that may cause him to question who he really is, the entire life he THINKS he is living, and how much has he earned in his life, as opposed to how much he is handed because he is pretty. I think he saw that the response he gets from people isn't because of something in him, but just because he looks a certain way (good looking or not good looking - either way). I dare Jay to wear that makeup for an entire year, and report to us every month on how this affects him. And that mother who wants to change but doesn't know how - she should sit in a wheelchair for a month and see how people suddenly treat her - it will deeply affect her outlook and it will change how she treats others when she realizes people aren't so different on the inside. But all in all - this was the best show i've seen on TV in a long time - it is a very important issue. In America especially, we all tend to get caught up in the popular culture and the television advertisements, television in general, movies, and other media that hammer us out of our good sense. So, this was a refreshing change.
 
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May 30, 2006, 9:42 pm PDT

should not judge ur children

 I think that it is wrong to judge ur children.  It is not like they chose to be ur children and to have u as a paren.  When u treat ur children differently it teaches them to grow up and seem like they r either better then everyone else or make them feel very unwanted and they came become very depresses.
 
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