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(Original Air Date: 09/16/05) How important do you think looks really are? And, do you think attractive people get treated better in society? Dr. Phil's son, Jay, goes out in  disguise to see if people really do judge a book by its cover. You won't believe the results, nor the response that surprised him the most! Plus, Debi favors her older daughter because she’s "beautiful" and treats her youngest like "dirt" because she's "fat and unattractive." Can Dr. Phil help her love both girls equally? And, Michelle only lets her daughter play with pretty kids on the playground because she equates beauty with success in life. Will she learn to re-evaluate her standards? Tell us your thoughts on today's show.

 

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May 30, 2006, 9:50 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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Thank you so much Dr. Phil for your words today. I appreciate your patience and clarity when explaining obvious ideas to simple people. I look forward to hearing and seeing the difference in Debi once she has received further help with her situation.    

   

In reference to appearance and how one presents oneself, I found it interesting that Debi would be concerned with how she looks yet doesn't realize how she is perceived. While listening to her speak I found that she came across as quite challenged intellectually. She spoke in such a way that (it pains me to use the word) I was left with the clear impression that she was stupid. Perhaps in addition to the help that is offered, might I suggest some further language education.    

   

It is still painful to hear the torture and pain parents can inflict upon their children for simple, "stupid", selfish reasons. If our society has become one where we value a smile over a soul then I want out.   

   

Thank you again for your words today, I value how you phrase complex ideas and concepts.   

   

One more child has a chance because of you!  

   

Your Faithful Audience Member   

Jessica   

I AGREE WITH YOU, JESSICA, ABOUT DEBI'S LACK OF INTELLECTUALITY.  I ALSO NOTICED THAT HER GRAMMAR WAS NOT PROPER.   SHE HAS OBVIOUSLY FOCUSED ON PEOPLE'S LOOKS (THOUGH I THOUGHT SHE NEEDED SOME HELP WITH HERS) AND NOT ON WHO THEY ARE INSIDE.  I FEEL SO SORRY FOR VICTORIA - HAVING LIVED IN THE MANNER SHE HAS, SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR - I WONDER WHERE THE DOG SLEEPS?   IN THE BED?    

I FEEL THAT VICTORIA  HAS HAD TO "FEND FOR HERSELF" THE BEST SHE COULD.   IT BECAME SO OBVIOUS TO ME WHILE SHE WAS TALKING THAT THIS CHILD COMFORTS HERSELF WITH FOOD - WHAT OTHER COMFORT DOES SHE HAVE?   DR. PHIL HIT THAT ONE RIGHT ON THE HEAD!   I ALSO APPRECIATE DR. PHIL'S SENSITIVITY WITH THESE SUBJECTS - 

I TRULY ADMIRE HIM AND WHAT HE IS DOING TO HELP SO MANY PEOPLE.  I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING HIS PROGRAM EVERY DAY. 

 

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May 30, 2006, 9:58 pm PDT

Re: Pretty/Ugly......How about a further addition to this idea with a program on "YOUNG/OLD."

 
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May 30, 2006, 9:58 pm PDT

Not a popular opinion

I have always been tall and thin. I have also been judged because of it and attacked because of it. From women in particular. I don't believe it is intentional, however, some people seem to feel free to actually say, and I quote " I hate you because you can eat whatever you want and not gain weight."  "Hate me?"I am always blown away but will never retort, "I hate you because you can eat, put on a few pounds and look normal."  They have no idea how much I try to put on weight. It has been a life struggle. When I was a child my parents tried giving me medicine that would increase my appetite so I could put on a few pounds, with my metabolism it does NOT work. I have actually had parents of friends once upon a time in high school call my parents concerned that I have an eating disorder. I have always been, about average in HS 20 lbs under what my ideal weight for my height is.  I am 5'8" in HS was 100lbs at 37 am now 120lbs. (Not an inch of weight goes to my arms or legs) Would it have ever been acceptable now or then for my Mother or me as a Mother to call another parent and tell them, " your daughter is 15-20 lbs overweight you should be concerned." NO! 

  

I wouldn't hurt someone that way. It just seems that because I am thin, then it is okay. You would not believe the things people say to me, "you have such skinny arms/legs" ( Is that a compliment? If it is I guess don't get it.) You are so bonny, you need to eat more girl put a little meat on your bones. Shoot, my Aunt's nickname for me is "Bones" let see, it's been Skinny Minny, Olive Oil, Daddy Long legs, chicken legs etc... the latest was my neighbor talking to our tween kids saying boys don't like skinny girls and my daughter looked directly at me and the neighbor was like "OOPS" "What if I said boys don't like overweight girls". she would have been totally offended she is full figured but because I am thin I am not supposed to be offended? I do not like my body image anymore then some one on the opposite side of the spectrum likes there's.  

  

My mother always told me that women will not like me initially because I was tall and thin. She is 5'2" and a full figured woman. I don't know, maybe I let that jade my opinion or maybe not, but through life experience I have found that to be true and I think it is so unfair. I do my best to be a good and honest person. I do not say or do anything intentionally to cause any pain to anyone, I go out of my way not to, and internalize things because it's easier for me to carry then to put it on anyone else.  

  

I guess my point is beauty is relevant to each individual. It should not be an external thing, all of that is fleeting. Gravity will affect it all and in the end what we are left with is who we are. What really matter is who a person is inside. That is what lasts. That is what truly counts.  

  

  

 
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May 30, 2006, 9:59 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil   

When I saw your show today I felt so sad to know that people are so cruel. My daughter has had a weight problem all her life because of PCOS( poly cystic ovarian syndrome). She was a beautiful girl and now a beautiful woman but people don't see that all they see is her weight. The part about the jobs  applies to Jennifer also. People only see the weight, not the person and what an asset she would be for they company or business. When I saw your show it brought back so many memories of how she has been made fun of all her life, from grammar school to adulthood.  People are so cruel and incentive. I am a true believer in God and know that your show today was meant  for someone. Hopefully it opens alot of people's eyes on just how cruel they can be. Thank you Dr. Phil for your show.    

 
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May 30, 2006, 10:01 pm PDT

On the receiving end

 Dr. Phil's topic coverage today really hit home for me.  I have been on the receiving end of  rudeness and ill treatment when overweight, then lots of positive attention when I lost a great deal of weight while in college, then back to the rudness and negative attitudes later when the weight went back on.  I am a gifted, talented, intelligent woman who treats everyone with respect and caring, but even one of my own children (the "beauty of the family") is embarassed by my appearance and avoids spending time with me. 

Dr. Phil -- thank you for saying it like it is. 
 
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May 30, 2006, 10:03 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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Hate to say it but I am one of those people that is having a hard time, whether it is at work, school, or going to the store.  I am headed to the age of 40 next year.  I am lonely, tired of being treated like dirt.  My family still doesnt want me around.  We took a family vacation a couple years ago.  All I seem to hear is that we cant do what you want becuase of your brother and his family.  I seem to have to fight with everyone I come in contact with.   

  

Growing up I had several friends, but they became busy with their new lives and forgot about me, I had one person even tell me to my face that they didnt want to hang around sigle people because they are only looking for one thing.   Just like I was the plague.  Other friends I kept in contact with but I finally am to a part that when do they start keeping in contact with me, I am tired ofd paying the bill all the time to call california, alaska (time before cell phones).  If I dont contact my firends to stay in touch...they dont call me...why is that.  Why should I be the one that always keep in contact with them.  They are the pretty ones and skinny and have families.  Why do I need to be treated differently because I am the fat ugly one.  When I saw the show on May 30th on the pretty / ugly I was very upset and brought up a lot of feelings of how I felt growing up and still haunts me to this day.  Shame on those mothers ....we just need love too.  It hurts when no one cares I am still there, I cry almost every day.  I go to work  and back home and keep the lights off and chat with people over the computer, because I know they cant see me so it doesnt hurt so bad and at least there is someone to talk to.  I hope your children dont carry all the scare I have for 39 years.  Make them feel worthy, and let them know you care.  I know it would make a world of difference if I had that right now. 

  

pstiowa 

I AM SO SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT YOURSELF.  I AM SURE THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WONDERFUL ABOUT YOU - SOMETHING YOU DO VERY WELL.  I HOPE YOU WILL FOCUS ON THAT ONE THING AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A GIFT FROM GOD SO YOU CAN'T BE ALL THAT BAD!!  YOU JUST NEED SOME ENCOURAGEMENT.  FOCUS ON THE GOOD QUALITIES YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU ENJOY DOING -  DO THOSE THINGS AND BE GOOD TO YOURSELF. 

DON'T LET OTHER PEOPLE USE YOU.  DON'T DO THE CALLING IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING USED.  LET THEM CALL YOU.  IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY ARE NOT THE FRIENDS THEY SHOULD BE AND THAT YOU NEED.   HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF GOING TO A NURSING HOME AND VISITING SOME OLDER PEOPLE WHO REALLY ARE TERRIBLY LONELY?   I ASSURE YOU THEY WILL NOT GRADE YOU ON YOUR APPEARANCE.  THEY WILL BE SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU CAME.  JUST TAKE SOME MAGAZINES TO A HOSPITAL AND GO BY SOME OF THE ROOMS AND ASK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE.  THEY WILL USUALLY BE GLAD TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TALK WITH. I RECENTLY RETIRED FROM A HOSPITAL AND I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO A PATIENT.  I WILL PRAY FOR YOU, THAT YOU WILL FIND THE HAPPINESS YOU ARE DUE. JUST TRY DOING WHAT I SUGGESTED AND YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU ARE NEEDED MORE THAN YOU BELIEVE - BY PEOPLE WHO WILL APPRECIATE YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMPANY.  GOD BLESS YOU!!! 

 

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May 30, 2006, 10:11 pm PDT

Re: Pretty/Ugly......How about a further addition to this idea with a program on "YOUNG/OLD."

I I am a vigorous 85 year old woman who exercises and walks easily (not stooped) and certainly seems to  have a somewhat wrinkled face......I find that people DO NOT look into my eyes when I address them nor look at them without talking....as Jay and others saw this happening on his Pretty/Ugly show (today's repeat)....I was struck as I begin to find the exact same thing happening with being OLD.  The elderly are really ignored !!!
iIt is  interesting, but NOT A GOOD FEELING
.Could you address this topic at another time....perhaps weave it into some other "predjudice " program.
 
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May 30, 2006, 10:12 pm PDT

Seems you have only scratched the surfice

I watched this show and kept thinking.... If you people think this is about your pretty vs ugly, try be dismissed because of the color of your skin.  The things that Jay went through because of a change in appearance are NOTHING compared to what I and all African Americans go through on a daily basis when people dismiss us simply because of the color of our skin.  I can't remember when the last time a white stranger looked me directly in the eye.  Or the last time the salesperson was not too busy to wait on me in a store, without me being the first to speak.  Try walking into a store and the person is on the phone having a personal conversation and continuing that conversation while you browse their store and no one else is in it.  I usally just walk out.  It becomes obvious that my money isn't good enough.
 
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May 30, 2006, 10:20 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

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I AGREE WITH YOU, JESSICA, ABOUT DEBI'S LACK OF INTELLECTUALITY.  I ALSO NOTICED THAT HER GRAMMAR WAS NOT PROPER.   SHE HAS OBVIOUSLY FOCUSED ON PEOPLE'S LOOKS (THOUGH I THOUGHT SHE NEEDED SOME HELP WITH HERS) AND NOT ON WHO THEY ARE INSIDE.  I FEEL SO SORRY FOR VICTORIA - HAVING LIVED IN THE MANNER SHE HAS, SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR - I WONDER WHERE THE DOG SLEEPS?   IN THE BED?    

I FEEL THAT VICTORIA  HAS HAD TO "FEND FOR HERSELF" THE BEST SHE COULD.   IT BECAME SO OBVIOUS TO ME WHILE SHE WAS TALKING THAT THIS CHILD COMFORTS HERSELF WITH FOOD - WHAT OTHER COMFORT DOES SHE HAVE?   DR. PHIL HIT THAT ONE RIGHT ON THE HEAD!   I ALSO APPRECIATE DR. PHIL'S SENSITIVITY WITH THESE SUBJECTS - 

I TRULY ADMIRE HIM AND WHAT HE IS DOING TO HELP SO MANY PEOPLE.  I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING HIS PROGRAM EVERY DAY. 

I don't think Debi had a clue as to what Dr. Phil was trying to explain to her.  She was so wrapped up in herself and her older daughter.  Is she so dense that she doesn't realize her mistakes?  How can a mother make her child sleep on the floor?  How can she blame a seven year old for taking comfort in food?  She doesn't deserve to have custody of either of those children.   

 
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May 30, 2006, 10:21 pm PDT

05/30 Pretty/Ugly

After watching the show today I just had to kiss all my children. I had tears in my eyes for every horrible word that awful woman said about her beautiful daughter. That little girl looked so sad and it broke my heart knowing that a mother could cause that kind of damage to her child on purpose.  I could never imagine treating a 7 yr old child like that. My daughter is 7 and she's getting alittle over weight, but I could never treat her with anything less than love. I wanted to slap the living crap out of that sick woman. If she doesn't  want her daughter I will take her and give her the home and love she deserves. I can't believe that she makes her daughter sleep on the floor like a dog. How can you not even give your child a fricken birthday cake. She gets the WORST mother of the year award. I think that she is abusing her child and someone should step in before that child has unrepairable damage. My heart goes out to you Victoria and god bless your beautiful little heart. I will pray for you.  

 
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