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Topic : 09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:45:47 pm
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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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April 13, 2006, 9:19 am CDT

Think most people don't understand

Hi i'm not from the US but just watched this show on sky in the UK.(13th April 2006) I am a single mother of 4 children, 2 of my children have been diagnosed with ADHD. I don't believe in medication as i really don't think meds are the answer to solving something your  child has to live with. I was never told by any doctor what was in the meds!  I found out myself by looking in medical books at the local library, i was in total shock what i read.  Yes its VERYYYYY HARD! Take my 16 year old son, he wasn't diagnosed until 5 years ago and i had never hurd of ADHD until then. He'd been in and out of hospital, seen loads of speacialist doctors and even Social Services washed there hands of him, as they couldn't handle  him. But what made me mad i've had to struggle on my own with out the aid of professional help, because  I refussed to medicate my son. Why was I treated this way? Shouldn't there be help for people who don't want to medicate there kids? I feel the medication for ADHD will only cause more problems for the child as they get older. My son won't grow out of ADHD but he is learning to cope/deal with it, as he gets older.He's a little  better now then he was before. He still has moments of very physical temper, still doesn't sleep well (but now doesn't get the whole family up!) and is uncontrolable at times but it does get better over time. We moved house and he's been going to a new school, were they where more understanding of his needs. He's now due to sit his exams I  thought he'd never do. As he never use to stay in school. 

 My little girl has only just been diagnosed with ADHD, dyslexia and has NO short term memory, which we are having tests for. My daughter only sleeps 3 hours out of 24 due to having a low melatonin level. One doctor I saw before we moved offered me sleepling pills for my daughter who was only 5 at the time! Is this the only answer to the problems that children face. The only tablet my daughter is now trying is Melatonin (which is a hormone) She's undergowing more test soon to find out why her levels of melatonin are still so  low and why she has no short term memory. I will try my very best and every possiable means not for my daughter not to be put on medications for ADHD.  

I have very bad depression at time ( depression runs in my family) and I have been on anti-depressents which wasn't a good result for me, as I ended up taking an overdose. I would NEVER want my children to go throu that again and we are working together as a family unit to help each other. NO I don't have a perfect family, far from it.  We have lots of problems prob more then the average family, but as I see it if you don't do something yourself to get things sorted.  Then nothing will ever be sorted. Get out there and  find help in the other way of dealing with the problem, before you do anything else. Try books, web sites, groups -whatever and stop putting labels onto ADHD. I don't treat ANY of my kids any different just because they have problems, I treat them  no different then to a child without the problems.I know it will in the long run make  life much better. I found a book by Dr Christopher Green - Understanding ADHD, this book is a great help to me . 

 It's just my opinion, I  don't expect everyone to feel the same as I do and I don't put anyone down for doing what they feel is best for there child. I do have friends that medicate there kids, thats their choice. everyone has a right to do what they feel is right. 

 
May 11, 2006, 8:25 pm CDT

Tom Cruises problem

 I have concerns overmedicating kids. Whilst at a US summer camp I was amazed how many kids were being doped up for every and anything including growth hormones so they could play basket ball!!
But Tom Cruise has a motive for saying what he says and it is this:
Do not take drugs-join Scientology. We will take your money and tell you what your problems are. The witchhunt that they have perptuted and promoted against  psychiatrists and the like have caused despair for many people with long terms issues. I have worked with people with severe issues in their lives and it is their medication that keeps them and those who love and care for them safe. They live normal lives becuase the medication keeps them well. My Dad took anti epilsey meds for years. His Doctor said you can stop becase you will be fine as you have not had an attack for years. He stopped and you guessed it-he had an attack. Back on to the meds and he has not had a an attack since.
Tom Cruise is a good actor and many people just ¨love¨ him but beware. He is deluded and just because he is a good looking guy does not make him an expert in the field. He has failed in two marriages. That tell me something.
I respect him as an actor but he is failing his fans!!
 
May 15, 2006, 3:58 am CDT

Appaulled at the medication of children!!

Well where exactly should I start... This show prompted me to join up simply for the fact of hearing the word's '"Prescribing Haladol" being followed by "6 year old" personally I could not believe it. Being from New Zealand I only saw this show 4 day's ago, we are quite behind over here.  It's not that I'm against medicating at all  but I do think that this is a rather hard anti-psychotic to be giving to any person let alone a child. I myself have a hard child to raise but never in my life would I put him on any drug of that form.  I'm not quite sure what to think other than there are much better ways to deal with overbearing children and I hope she carries forward into non medication types of help as Ive seen what the result of leaving adults on this particullar drug can do and I'd hate to imagine the after effects on a child who is still developing. 

 
May 15, 2006, 4:20 am CDT

Simillar thoughts myself

Quote From: trinab

 I completely disagree with what Tom cruise has said and I think that if he had experienced any form of depression then he would shut his mouth.  I have suffered from derpression since I was 15, I am now 30 and I am finally happy.  It took me almost physically harming my son before I got help.  Even though that medication bought me back from the brink I was soon there again (4 yrs) to find my self suicidal.  My medication has been changed and now I feel fantastic.  If it wasn't for the medication there is now way I would be here today.  As for medicating children, if all the tests have been done and other avenues exhausted, then yes medicate them, if only for the parents sanity!  My son is a difficult child to bring up and some of that is from our parenting techniques, but at the moment we watch his diet and get hard on him when need be.  I would never medicate him at this point, but I can understand why parents with children worse would.  I feel that the parents sanity is vital (even my naturopath agrees) and if they are not looked after as well then that could lead to a very bad situation. 
To say that antidepressants don't work is wrong, what Tom Cruise said is wrong, but children need all the help they can get and if some need medication then give it to them.  After all don't we all complain about childrens behaviour and lack of respect these days??

I would just like to start by saying I am 21 soon to be 22 in the next month, I was diagnosed with manic depression at the age of 18 and was put on many different med's however, never found anything that worked for me yet I'm doing as good as can be in my circumstance. As with anything I have good day's and bad and am hoping that the good keep out weighing the bad. I'm from new zealand and have a 2 1/2 yr old boy who is going through the final stages for diagnosis of  ADHD as this runs quite deep in my family it is most likely he will be diagnosed as yes, however I don't feel that this would justify medication as I personaly don't think it to be right. There are many other ways to deal with mental illnesse's in children and I sincerely think more people need to think this way to. Children deserve the right to start life happy and with support, medicating more often then not does nothing more than make the problem worse or dull them out so they dont take in life as a child should they deserve more than just some pill that a dr has prescribed and I do really believe this.  I do understand that there are very bad cases in children but even so there are far better things you can do than to put them on drugs.  Good luck in all you do and I hope it continues to go well for you. I hope you dont take my words in the wrong way this is no way an attack on your thoughts just wanted to tell you my thoughts to.
 
June 16, 2006, 11:25 am CDT

Dopamine, Serotonin, and Norepinephrine

Quote From: kendeegirl

There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.  There
is no medical test to prove such a thing exists.  This
was made up by the drug companies to push their drugs
and it's working.  Most 14 year olds appear to be
bipolar.  It is normal for  teenagers to act out.
Drugging them is not going to be the answer.  There is
no test for bipolar, and a young hormonal girl at 14
should not be drugged.   Kids fight, thats normal
too.  There are many ways to deal with this with
out medication.  The bottom line is that there have
been many teenagers who have killed themselves because
of these drugs, and you have a right to know that as a
consumer. 

Hi, 

I'm bipolar and I also have a degree from college in biology and with a minor in chemistry. I was lucky to finish it up because I had my breakdown a couple days after finals. But that's beside the point of this post. While in my very last classes, biochemistry and histology (study of all human tissues including the mysterious brain:), in college I learned a lot about our brain cells. But there is also so much we do not know.  

What I do know is that the new mood stabilizers, if not for them I would have too much dopamine which would make me very manic and psychotic when I'm at my peak of mania, off  meds... Seroquel, my medication, and its precursor, Zyprexa has quelled the storm in my brain for the last 8 years and kept me out of the hospital. As far as Serotonin, another chemical made by our brain cells, known as neurotransmitters, , I don't have enough of so I get depressed so Effexor "recycles" it along with norepinephrine, another brain chemical I do not have enough of. I'm not cured or happy all the time. In fact my life has eroded quite a bit in quality but if not for the drugs for my clear and present chemical imbalance, I might not be here today. I just wanted to share with you some scientific basis for needing these medications and they do save lives, like mine, if taken every day, and if the person takes good care of themselves like me, meaning no drugs or drinking, etc... 

Thanks for listening:) Also I got to see an MRI of my brain one time and how my brain looks so different from a normal person's, more blue than red in some places: the chemicals do this, so out of balance. Not even the medications can "fix" that unfortunately. Maybe the answer lies in gene therapy..hopefully. Elle 

 
November 9, 2006, 3:58 pm CST

Suicide-Too late-Cruise controversy

Quote From: funfamof7

Exactly!!! I WISH we could get brain scans and tests from that Dr. in Dallas!!! We have insurance, good insurance they say..but they dont cover this!!  My son is bipolar, adhd, phsycotic sometimes, schitzophrinic, and I think has some brain trama from running his head into walls to feel different!!!No one will recommend brain scans because they said, "we would treat him just the same" same meds and behavioral modification. So why spend the money? Thats crazy! Then we were told do NOT go into Debt for this one child. Do not get a loan, mortgage your house, so our choice is to do what the professionals tell us! what more can we do!???  

We aren't the world appointed GOD like Tom Cruise thinks he is.  Hes ignorant, and has no idea what we are going through. I've heard he thinks hes probably ADHD, but being the strong person he is, didn't get medicated and hes fine. He does not know what its like to be the parent of these children and watch them suffer and lots of times, kill themselfs to escape the pain. I think he should be on call to come and comfort these children that are in pain and the parents that cant do anything about it and say..."Its ok, if you have faith enough, everything will be ok"  I wonder how long it would be watching one of his children feeling tortured inside, hearing voices telling him to do things, taunting them, before he would do something. I have been though this, its not a lack of faith!!!! they are REAL illnesses that the only resource we have is to trust the medical community and scientists (real ones) to help us the only way that is available.  

FunFamof7 

I am FunFamof7, My 15 year old son I talked about here, committed suicide on Oct 8 2006. Its been 4 weeks.

 

We tried everything we knew how...the show even called, I just felt hopeless of what we could do with our son.  Maybe if we had the money Mr. Cruiz has we could have had the best people help.

 

I don't even know if anyone is talking about this issue anymore. Our  issue  has changed to suicide. Our son is gone. It scares me to know how many children out there are just like my son, and started out the same way. I can spot them in a crowd. The attitude, manipulation, lies, cutting, drugs, detention, is a horrible, horrible situation/trend I see and saw so much of when my son was in and out of the hospitals the last 4 years. I don't know how to help others other than telling what I learned. Going into this horrible nightmare information wasnt available. I practically had to drag out of them what we could do....and it wasnt much!!

 

Its too late for us. I hope something is done to help these kids.

Steph

slwinn@cox.net

 
February 24, 2007, 7:20 pm CST

weighing in

ok people let's not get into a posting war here.

 

Here is my opinion: It's different strokes for different folks. For some people medication is necessary if it's a severe case and they should be on it, if it's not necessary and can be handled without it then don't put them on meds. I agree with Dr Phil, it's dangerous to make generalizations, and I don't think Tom Cruise, while he is entitled to his opinion, shuold be bashing medicating and the validity of learning disabilities of any sorts.  Mental disorders, learning disabilities and ADD are real.

 

I can relate to this subject: I am 25 years old and have ADD and other learning disabilities myself. I am not on medication but I have been before: When I was 6 and when I was 12. The first time I did need them and they worked, I was in grade one. I was put on them again in grade seven but they didn't work and had adverse effects and the teachers were concerned so we went without them for a week and I was fine, I've never been on them since. Don't use pills if they're not absolutely necessary. If they are then get a prescription but examine all your options

 

Dr Phil:

Thank you for addressing this topic, I was interested in your opinion and I agree with you and appalud you for not taking a bandwagon and saying one way is better

 

 
February 25, 2007, 2:26 pm CST

my condolences

Quote From: funfamof7

I am FunFamof7, My 15 year old son I talked about here, committed suicide on Oct 8 2006. Its been 4 weeks.

 

We tried everything we knew how...the show even called, I just felt hopeless of what we could do with our son.  Maybe if we had the money Mr. Cruiz has we could have had the best people help.

 

I don't even know if anyone is talking about this issue anymore. Our  issue  has changed to suicide. Our son is gone. It scares me to know how many children out there are just like my son, and started out the same way. I can spot them in a crowd. The attitude, manipulation, lies, cutting, drugs, detention, is a horrible, horrible situation/trend I see and saw so much of when my son was in and out of the hospitals the last 4 years. I don't know how to help others other than telling what I learned. Going into this horrible nightmare information wasnt available. I practically had to drag out of them what we could do....and it wasnt much!!

 

Its too late for us. I hope something is done to help these kids.

Steph

slwinn@cox.net

FunFam, I'm so sorry about your son. That's terrible. These kids need help before it's too late and so often they fall for the cracks. There's just no awareness about mental disorders and a huge lack of insight for these issues. You have a lot of strengh to talk about this. I'm lucky I had a teacher who from kindergarten fought to get me an EA, or I may well have falled between the cracks. People need to get more informed. As I said, Tom Cruise has a right to his opinion but I don't think he shuld be making those kind of statements without proper background of info.

 

 

my sincere condolences to you and your family again

 
June 27, 2007, 9:42 am CDT

come to my house

Quote From: kendeegirl

There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.  There
is no medical test to prove such a thing exists.  This
was made up by the drug companies to push their drugs
and it's working.  Most 14 year olds appear to be
bipolar.  It is normal for  teenagers to act out.
Drugging them is not going to be the answer.  There is
no test for bipolar, and a young hormonal girl at 14
should not be drugged.   Kids fight, thats normal
too.  There are many ways to deal with this with
out medication.  The bottom line is that there have
been many teenagers who have killed themselves because
of these drugs, and you have a right to know that as a
consumer. 

    

       You most live in a perfect world i have a 10yr son with bipolar and ocd if it wasn't for his meds who knows what would happen to my son he has voilent rages ( now with his meds adjustment  he is doing great he has had two rages in the last 9 months instead of almost daily and they haven't been as horible as they was he has been arrested 4 times for asult on a family member) he has done thousands of dollars in damages to my home and punched, kicked, spit, cussed hit us with anything he can get in his hands flipped over chair,tables, bite us and hiself  intill blood was drawed ( this is happens when we are restaining him for his and our safety) clawed, went after my disable mother with a screwdriving, threw a bucher knife and his older sister, stabing himself with pens, went after his older brother with a baseball bat you name it he has done it ( of course all sharp objects are lock up where he can get to them anymore) a few times his rage was so bad blood would gush out of his nose. there was many times we never knew what started it he would be fine one min and a drop of a dime he would rambling on aboult things that made him mad and went on getting madder and madderintill it was like he couldn't stop himself. after all was calm he would look around the house and say what happen there like he had no clue what just happen and what he just done he would ask mommy why are you mad and when he started a rage many times he didn't know what he was mad about. then there was the times we would be setting there ( he is a big mommy's boy) just fine then all the sudden he would say out of no where i know you hate me and want to kill me and go on giving deal tell on how i was going to kill him ) and for one minute anyone thinks well he most be something he heard or seen or by watch something bad on tv his tv watching is limited to only surten shows if something bad or voilent has happen in are town we do what ever we can to make sure he doesn't hear about it will make his fear of the outside go threw the roof more  than he all ready has. but he would lose it and watch everymove i make when he is like this i have to get away from him and someone else need to talk to him and try to convence him mommy isn't trying to kill you. my son gets pariond over the littlest thing when it rains is ok but he  watches for the lighnting to come and when it does he goes in crazy mode saying over and over watch out the lighting will kill you there is times he feels if he walks by a window someone will be there to shoot him, he was taking no less then 10 showers a day even getting up in the middle of the night and showering. He was calling my up to 20 times a day to make sure i was ok. my son in 4 yrs never spent the night with anyone because they don't know how to lock the doors right so killers don't get in. everynight he checks all the doors and window or has his brother check them. he willn't no matter what walk in the grass even with the hint of darkness coming because pitching bugs will eat his feet. he has night terrors. sence he was five he has seen this same man in jeans and a t-shirt with black gloves on he was always hanging from a rope around his neck in the door way about a year ago the guy is no longer hanging he just walks around following him or hiding behind something. my son now faces his fear ( of the guy) and yells at him to leave the house telling him you don't scare me anymore this has help alot along with his meds that he has been on  for the last 4 yrs (depakote and geadon and clondine when needed)  we do support groups and other classes to help parents deal with children with mental disorder and the kids class teaches ways to control your anger dealing with fears , self control and teaches them more about there disorder. my son does good most of the time but when his meds need ajusted we know qiuckly by his behavior. we also learned different techniqes to do with him if he is focus anger on one person ( which is mostly me they say it is because we are so close) you remove your self from his sight  the more he looks at you the madder he gets or when the anger isn't at one person i talk him threw it i will keep talking to him about play outside with his aunts dog i use this with night terrors also ( this doesn't always work. so it is not all aboult drugging my son he isn't drugged i hate when peolpe say to me if you just beat his ass a good and show him that your the boss he would stop or let him come spend sometime with me he wouldn't act that way after i get done with him  or all them drugs you have him on make him do these well if that is the case what caused it before i every put him on the meds when you walk a mile in my shoes then you have the right to say something about how i am raising my son intill then go on about your buisness. i would give anything in the world to have my son be like other kids i have asked myself what didn't he or i do to deserve this my son is the sweetest most loving kid you could every ask for he is such alittle charmmer  he will help you do anything you ask but he has his moments when he isn't him self and when he goes in a rage he has the coldest, darkest look in his eyes and a blank look on his face, his voice changes and his ears will turn beat red and hot as fire like the devil took over when you watch your child your baby go threw thing like i do you will do what ever you can to help him even if it is by meds my son is not a sombie by far your look at him and could never tell he takes meds he leads a normal as normal can be for him

 
June 27, 2007, 11:08 am CDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

Quote From: joiefulmom

Try being in the checkout line with a 5foot 5inch, 170lb 14 year old boy laying on the ground having a major meltdown. Stares, comments, agitation etc. from on lookers. As I remain calm, follow behaviorial steps, etc. to move the immovable,  onlookers gawk and suggesst spankings. These episodes do not occur very often thanks to meds, treatment, therapy, holistic, natural foods etc. Heck we do what ever it takes. What really helps me though is the very rare person that asks "is there someway I can help you?" Two days ago this occurred again. Because I have learned to inform others of my son's condition, I turned to the woman behind me and asked if she could just go around my son, and explained that he is autistic. I apologized for the inconvience. She smiled and sweetly said " Honey, there is no need to apologize. You take care, and may God Bless you." My son recovered quickly, got up and left the store with me. Had someone yelled or tried to force him to move, we could have been there for a long time. So Bless you,  take a big breath and know you are doing what you believe is right for your childs needs. It is not the business of strangers to give you parenting advice.
  my parents had taken my son to walmart they thought he was having a real good day so thought it was ok to take him as they was walking threw the store he just snapped and started going into a rage my parents knew they had to get him out of there (all my son was 9 at the time he has bipolar ocd adhd) my mother is diable so there is only so much she can do but he was taking stuff all the shelfs throwing everything cussing screaming  trying to pull the cash register down tip over the cart as loud as he could my father and myself was showed how to properly restrain my son is is very very hard to do it alone but my father did his best to keep ahold of my son and get him out of the store and in the car as my mother stop the rest of he shoping and was paying for what they did have in there cart as my dad was getting him to the car of course everyone was watching he fought to get my son in the back set of the car and restain him so he couldn't do any damage or run from him my mother hurried to the car as she got in the driverseat to back out of the parking space and a car pulled behind them blocking them in and with in mins the police was there the lady that blocked them in watch my father trying to control my son and called the police and reported  that a guy drugg his kid out of the store threw him in the car and was beating him with his fist as the child was screaming let me go( that is my son's best trick when he is restrain crying say let me go i will stop and when you do you never know 9 times out of 10 he will start throwing punches) there has been times we have had to restrain him for close to a hour and till he can't fight no more) and try to get out of the car. there was a crowd of people saying my dad was beating and harming my son as my mom is trying to explain my son conidtion and what was happening i recieve a call from my mom saying hurry get to walmart there aboult to arresst your dad for child abuse my father is the best dad you could ever ask for and my son and my father are the bestest buddie my son is always one step behind my dad going everywhere his papa goes my dad is the only father fiquire in my kids life and to hear my mom say my dad was aboult to be handcuff and sent to jail for nothing but try single handly control my son in a rage i was trying to get there as fast as i could tell my mom tell them seth has mental disorder and what he was doing she said tehy know the don't care ( the officer there has been to my house many times for my son has even taking my son to jail) the officer talked to my son and asked him was your grandfather punching or harming you my son said no my papa loves me and the lady that made the call was tell they officer look at all the bruises on him ( his meds my him bruise easy) so they let  my father go and told my parents we would be hearing from children service i have this fear they was say i sorry you can't control him so we are removing him from your home to someone that can but as my son dr. said don't worry you are doing everything in your power to help you son it isn't as you let him go with seeking any help well children service never came out my son's dr called them and talked to them about my son and told them he had been my son's dr for over 4 yr and neither him the case manger my son mentor or counsler or any one that has work woth my son at the mental health center is concern about abuse at all. so people please there is children out the with disorder that will act out in public and so think before you judge and get a wounderful loving grandfather put in jail this killed my son because even thow my dad knew it wasn't my son's fault he was very hurt not to meantion scared so my son no longer goes to any store inless myself and another person that can qiuckly get him out of the store and in the car and i carry medical paper about my son's disorder's and what is can do durning a rage and how it has to be handle
 
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