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Topic : 09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:45:47 pm
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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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September 28, 2005, 4:09 pm PDT

Overmedicated?

Sure, is anyone really surprised by that?  People slap their inconvenient kids on meds at 3 years old.  Does that mean that no meds are ever called for in children?  Of course not. 

  

I blame the parents, I do.  I think you have a responsibility to educate yourself about medications and "disorders" before merrily drugging your child.  I blame doctors, too.  Too many physicians out there willing to prescribe without justification.  As the former friend of parents who slammed their 3 year old on Cylert because they'd decided she was ADHD (child seemed perfectly normal to me, and I was providing daily child care), I feel comfortable saying that children are often medicated to compensate for inept parenting and inadequate medical advice.  Sadly, those parents whose children really do need medication probably find themselves on the defensive because of the unnecessary medicating going on in so many families. 

  

That said, I think Tom Cruise is a grandstanding kid with a religion to push.  His "understanding" of psychology and mental disturbances appears to come straight from a Scientology handbook.  Hate to break it to him, but Scientology is perhaps not the best source of unbiased information concerning mental illness.  After all, Scientology benefits, both financially and in terms of membership, from convincing people that their methods are better than traditional treatments. 

  

I believe that medicating for depression should be, whenever possible, a temporary step up.  A way of stabilizing a patient until such time as counseling and behavioral changes can effect long term benefits.  Certainly, some folks do need these medications long term, but many don't.   I think our medical community has a duty to put forth the effort necessary to figure out which is which, and act accordingly.   

  

  

  

  

 
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September 28, 2005, 4:12 pm PDT

Tom Cruise

I understand that Tom Cruise is this huge movie star, but what is his education level? I am for medication for the reason that ADD and ADHD run in my family. My mother and my brother are ADHD. My brother was medicated when he was younger. Not know that he is twenty he can control it. But when he was younger he had this disorder with violence. When he got frustrated all hell broke loose. Teachers have been bitten, desk thrown, hampers stabbed, and so on and so forth. I agree with what Dr. Phil said on the show today. If properly tested then go for it. My mother was a single mother with no help from anyone. The medicine was the best thing for my brother. Its the same with Manic depression in my family. I was on meds, my mother and so on and so forth. Tom Cruise, especially with the whole post pardom depression, the man has no clue what he is talking about. He has to stop and think where would alot of people be without psychiatry or phychology. He thinks its a psyudo science fine...whatever...hes wrong. With these sciences we know so much about the human brain and emotions. The problem is people want to take Tom's opinion to heart cause he is this huge star.
 
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September 28, 2005, 4:18 pm PDT

I can assure I know a lot more than most people

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You really need education on child psychology and neurophysiology because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

Thank you for your suggestion but #1 ... I know my kid.,.. I know it is NOT normal for a 14 year old girl to choke her sister for no reason other than she feels like it. I also know it is NOT normal for my child to cut herself only because dealing with physical pain is much more easier for her than dealing with emotional pain. 

So please do not tell me what I need to do. You need to educate yourself on what childhood bipolar is and looks like. Then live with it day in and day out and THEN tell me what I need to do with my life. 

Tammy 

 
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September 28, 2005, 4:19 pm PDT

Well, not to create a firestorm here . . .

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I am sitting here holding my 4 month old baby while he cries because his tummy hurts.   He has reflux and has just spit up a entire bottle all over,  so should I deny him meds? 

  

With my 9 yr old I prefer him to be able to sit through school and get a good education.   With my 4 month old I prefer he not be in pain and be able to eat and grow properly.    Really, what IS the difference? 

  

RR 

. . . but reflux/GERD is a condition which, in infants, is most often associated with a lack of breastfeeding.  When an infant doesn't receive proper nutrition (and formula is a lacking second to breast milk), problems result--sometimes including GERD and learning disabilities (and ear infections, compromised eyesight, dental caries, asthma, diabetes, etc.).   

  

I'm not trying to hack on you, but I find your post absolutely illuminating and completely appropriate to the subject--perhaps, instead of figuring out what medications to give to children to make their tummies feel better or make them better attend at school, we should be figuring out why there are so many sore bellies and hyper kids and do what's necessary to prevent it. 

  

  

 
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September 28, 2005, 4:19 pm PDT

Thank you..

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I have a sneaking suspicion that just maybe Tammy might have a better idea of what is going on in her own life than you do!!

I just wanted to say thank you for jumping in for me. 

  

Tammy 

 
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September 28, 2005, 4:20 pm PDT

to take meds or to not take meds, you have a right to know the truth

this has nothing to do with personal opinions of Tom Cruise or his religious belief,  The fact is, if you are taking these medications you have a right to know what the true side effects are,  ITS YOUR RIGHT,  I think the anger comes from the LIES from the FDA and the makers of the drugs,  they hid all kinds of information from people,    also, if these drugs were working so well then mental hospitals would be clearing out, instead they are at a all full,  there is a waiting list to get into them,  they cant build them fast enough,   
 
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September 28, 2005, 4:21 pm PDT

Who said that?

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The withdrawals from these drugs are horrific.  I am suffering terribly two years after quiting this psychiatric poisen.  How many people even know this exists?  Dr. Phil was right when he said parents can not yank kids on and off of it.  God.. the poor kids.  I am an adult.. i can only imagine what a young developing mind must go through when they are yanked off this "safe effective medication".
Who ever said these were safe medications? There really is no such thing. One has to way the pros and cons in taking such a medication. Take me for example: I could be a normal weight and so neurotic that I'd want to die, or I can gain some weight, be happy and live my life as I please. Which would you choose? As for withdrawls from these medicines. When the absentminded doctor took me off the zoloft, he did at least do it correctly. With most of these medicines you have to go off slowly. I went from 100mg to 75mg for 2 weeks than 75mg to 50mg for 2 weeks 50 to 25 and so on. I had no problems what so ever, except for the fact that within a week or so of being off my meds, I was having panic attacks again exactly as I had had before I took the meds. Once I started back on a small dose, the attacks slowly quit. But it took me 4 months before I was back to my normal self again.
 
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September 28, 2005, 4:28 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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I just wanted to say thank you for jumping in for me. 

  

Tammy 

Tammy, I just read the quote from your post, but can't find your post.  I just wanted to say that you're absolutely right--the violence, and especially the self-directed violence, are serious, serious things, and that both medication and therapy would seem to be called for.  It seems you're on top of things, and I just wanted to let you know I think you're terrific. 

  

  

 

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September 28, 2005, 4:33 pm PDT

I don't mind opinions but accusations are not needed when you don't know the people

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     I've never been around a child with severe behavioral problems that needed medcations so i'm not suggesting anything but how come 20,30,40,50 years ago America didn't have such a problem with this issue.  In this day and age  Mom and Dads are lazy and are looking for a quick fix instead of teaching a child how to behave.  I think its all a parenting problem and nothing more.  We don't show our children how to behave.  Parents need to set an example for their kids and not act like children themselves.  And another thing, does anyone else notice how much worse the world gets day by day.  We need to bring God back into our families and teach His love and His behavor. 

Mary if you have never been around a child with severe adhd or other behavioral problems then how do you know it didn't exist 20,30 or 40 yrs ago? Also I will tell you this I and my friends are not lazy parents we take our kids to parks,camping,fishing and the beach and I go to concerts with my daughter and races every week on the weekends. You may have your opinion but you are practically accusing parents of being lazy and you don't even know the people. How can you accuse a parent of being lazy if you've never ever seen them? How do you know what other parents show there kids? Let me tell you this I slapped my sons hand in a grocery store one time for knocking all the jars off of the shelf and I had a lady come up to me and read me the riot act because I slapped his hand and he wasn't even crying. You know what she said to me, she said its not proper to discipline and slap your childs hand in public you should wait till you get home and you know what I said. I said this to her "If it was okay for my mom and dad to give me and my brothers a good swift slap for doing something in a store then its okay for my kids unless of course you want to take over raising them. She got mad and walked away, and I didn't care because I don't appreciate some stranger criticizing my disciplining my kids when they don't know the situation. Oh and by the way almost 30 yrs ago I can assure you that Ritalin was out as I was in school and I had a couple of friends in high school who took it and that was back in 1976 when I was a sophomore. They didn't have it out or do much diagnosing of adhd when my one brother and I were only like 6 and 9 which would give ya the early 70's as I was nine in 1971.  Don't blame the kids for the world going bad they didn't cause that. 

 
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September 28, 2005, 4:35 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Time and time again I watch shows about little monsters and how the parents are at the end of their rope and don't know why little lucifer is the way he or she is!  People have to start not listening to the liberal wimps of society and start doing what is right.  My parents disciplined my brothers and I and all 6 of us thank them all the time for it.  We were always welcome anywhere because we were well behaved and today the parents are either too busy or to scared to discipline children.  Children need to understand that if you behave badly something bad will happen to them.  It's the same anywhere you go, the children who are little demons have parents who believe in the time out crap and who can blame the children?  If my parents used that stupidity on me I wouldn't care what I do because when I got caught I would only have to have a stupid "time out" and since that's as bad as it got what would deter me from continuing the riegn of terror before I was interupted?  Spanking is good!!!!!!!! Parents who use the "time out" system are the ones responsible for the way society is going down the toilet.  They are the ones who need drugs and therapy not the kids!  When I have children I will discipline them the right way and explain to them why I do it, then I won't have to worry about drugging my child because he or she will learn for every action there will be a reaction in life because I will show my children I love them by preparing them for life.

While I agree with much of what you are saying about society needing to dicipline more you have to understand that a child that really does have ADHD will not be effected by a spanking.  No form of *punishment* will work if the child has uncontrolled impulses.   ADHD is real and the child does need a strong dicipline but you can't spank a child because their mind wonders and they can't get the homework done or pay attention in class.    If you watch TV you may have seen a commercial where they show a TV and change the channel after channel after channel, this is what is going on inside a person's head with ADHD.    Meds help the child be able to focus so they can *stay on one channel* and get things done. 

  

So I do agree that a LOT of people don't need to medicate but do need to dicipline but there ARE children that really do have ADHD.   If the child is not ADHD the meds will NOT work right.   The child will be zombie like.  My son has been on meds since he was 3 yrs old and has continued to be a happy outgoing child, the difference is that he can pay attention and do things now instead of bounce off walls, cars or anything else that gets in his way. 

  

RR 

 
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