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Topic : 09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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Created on : Friday, September 23, 2005, 04:45:47 pm
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When Tom Cruise gave his opinion about the drugging of America, he created a firestorm of controversy. Are we an overmedicated nation? Dave and Jill feel as if their 7-year-old son is holding them hostage in their own home. He's on three medications, but his uncontrollable fits of rage are destroying their marriage. Is this a real medical issue or a parenting problem? Then, two women with powerful personal stories debate the "Cruise controversy." They both think their opinion is right, but what does Dr. Phil think? Plus, an outraged father confronts his ex-wife and demands that she stop medicating their 9-year-old son. Talk about the show here.

 

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September 28, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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From what I understand, there is no way to PROVE a chemical imbalance other than an autopsy!  But with the strength of these drugs, an opportunity for one could easily come along!    ADD and ADHD are disorders that are all too often diagnosed!  Whether or not these disorders even exist does NOT excuse medicating these children with strong drugs that were never tested on children and were never intended for children!  But now they want to screen all children for mental health. Who do you think is behind this!  These medications may appear to have a temporary effect of focusing a child.  But in reality, these children are just shut up!  They are quieter because they are being drugged.  Their brains are being effected negatively.  These are dangerous drugs!    I used to think the same things about meds not working for a child who doesn't have the problem.  How responsible is it to drug children with very heavy, mind altering drugs! These children's brains are still developing!  Even IF these drugs help children focus, which I do NOT believe they do, is the cost worth it?   Is it OK to help kids momentarily do better in class, be quieter, easier to manage at the expense of destroying brain cells!   The symptoms attributed to children who supposedly have ADD or ADHD are present in all kids.  They are just more pronounced in kids that are diagnosed.  How do they diagnose?  They use a list of behaviours and have the people in their lives list the degree to which they display that behavior.  And observation.  There IS no blood test, or MRI, or  catscan, or any definitive evidence other than observable behaviours.  And many things could cause a child to exhibit such behaviours!  So who is helped by drugging them?  Certainly not the kids - and any medication is supposed to be prescribed to help the patient, not their family, teachers, etc......    Again - these drugs have NOT ever been tested on children!   But those drug companies sure are making a lot of money off of drugging kids!  Cindy  

Do you believe in God or some form of a higher being?   You can't see him but a LOT of people believe.    

  

So you can't draw blood and say "yes, this is ADHD",   LIVE WITH A CHILD THAT HAS IT,   you will be singing a different tune.   Using your logic I guess you could say that Parkensons doesn't exist, dementia, bi-polar, or any other type of illness.   You can outright SEE it in people but because there isn't a blood test its not really there.    

  

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September 28, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

Does Tom Cruise have a degree in psychiatry?

I do not think that Tom has ever had anybody in his life suffer from a mental illness. Because if he had, he would not want to see that person suffer without even trying medication. I have been dealing with depression for many years and recently have been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder. Earlier this year, I began getting worse and extremely suicidal. When Lithium was prescribed, after a few weeks, the ruminating suicidal thoughts were not so intense. I was close to dying before and now with the medication and therapy of course, I am no longer obsessing about death. I truly beleive the lithium was a MIRACLE PILL  because saving my life was a miracle. Tom Cruise, please come to debate with Dr. Phil. I think he might teach you something since he does know the history of psychiatry a lot better than you. And one day when you crash from your manic couch jumping state, Dr. Phil may be there to help you.
 
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September 28, 2005, 6:52 pm PDT

How many people are saved...

  

Please remeber that any drug can cause death. Any drug is dangerous. How many ppl every year are saved from depression/suicide compared to how many ppl have harm caused to them? The FDA makes studies public, but are we reading them? You must also too take into account the population you are woking with. Naturally there will be more instances of suicidal ideation in a group of ppl suffering from depression than in a group without! If you read other studies, there are more heart attacks in groups who take heart medications and have heart conditions, than groups who don't have heart conditions. I guess the bottom line is to be informed about what you are taking and what you are giving your children, and deciding if the risks outweigh the benefits. 

  

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September 28, 2005, 7:14 pm PDT

Proof?

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From what I understand, there is no way to PROVE a chemical imbalance other than an autopsy! But with the strength of these drugs, an opportunity for one could easily come along! ADD and ADHD are disorders that are all too often diagnosed! Whether or not these disorders even exist does NOT excuse medicating these children with strong drugs that were never tested on children and were never intended for children! But now they want to screen all children for mental health. Who do you think is behind this! These medications may appear to have a temporary effect of focusing a child. But in reality, these children are just shut up! They are quieter because they are being drugged. Their brains are being effected negatively.These are dangerous drugs! I used to think the same things about meds not working for a child who doesn't havethe problem.How responsible is it to drug children with very heavy, mind altering drugs!These children's brains are stilldeveloping! Even IF these drugs help children focus, which I do NOT believe they do, is the cost worth it? Is it OK to help kids momentarily do better in class, be quieter, easier to manage at the expense of destroying brain cells!The symptoms attributed to children who supposedly haveADD or ADHD arepresent in all kids. They are justmore pronounced in kids that are diagnosed. How do they diagnose? They use a list of behavioursand have the people in their liveslist the degree to which they display that behavior.And observation. There IS no blood test, or MRI, or catscan, or any definitive evidence other than observable behaviours. And many things could cause a child to exhibit such behaviours! So who is helped by drugging them? Certainly not the kids-and any medication issupposed to be prescribed to help the patient, not their family, teachers, etc......Again - these drugs have NOT ever been tested on children! But those drug companies sure are making a lot of money off of drugging kids! Cindy

Not all diseases can be diagnosed with "blood tests" "MRI". Psychiatric diagnosis are determined by observed and described symptoms that are listed in a book medical proffessionals use, the DSM-IV, psychiatrists look for specific symptoms that are often grouped together, and form their diagnosis on this. Every recognized psychiatric diagnosis is in the DSM-IV, and the criteria for making this diagnosis. When it comes to treating a child for a chemical imbalance, the parents and Dr. must look decide if the benefits outweight the risks . If a child cannot concentrate, cannot sit still, cannot form relationships with others and it is determined to be a chemical imbalance not behavoiral problems, then what is best? It this child cannot sit still long enough, cannot concentrate he/she will not learn, and will not be capable of living a normal productive life.This child will be unable to form meaningful relationships with his/her peers and will be unable to meet his/her developemental tasks. As long as a child is strictly monitiored while on medication therapy, it could be a life saving difference. Why don't you read up on how drug companys test drugs. Don't knock drug companies- they are responsible for medictions that are saving lives. You should read more on the book I mentioned before, the DSM-IV and how psychiatric diagnosis are made. Maybe then you will have a better understanding on how psychiatric diseases are "proven". 

  

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September 28, 2005, 7:17 pm PDT

09/28 Overmedicating America: The Cruise Controversy

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I believe medication, if needed can be a good thing. My worry is this - 

about 4-5 months ago, my son's girlfriend had told me she had gotten some Ridalin from her mother (prescribed for one of mother's foster children) and had given it to my 2 grandchildren ages 2 and 3.  Since I haven't seen the kids (they live 2 hours away and I am not in a position to go to them) and both my son and his girlfriend have apparently decided to cut me out of the family I have no idea if this has continued or if this is an isolated incident. There are other concerns I have regarding the care this woman is giving my grandchildren while my son is at work - the kids are not fed in the morning - she doesn't get out of bed until noon - and they are constantly being dropped off with other people while she goes off and gets high with her friends. I don't believe her mother would give her this medication for my babies willingly since she could lose her license which would mean that she is stealing it from her mom. I am considering filing for guardianship with implied detriment.  These babies have already spent 6 months in foster care due to their birth mothers drug use, and my son had to fight to get custody of them. I fear if what I am being told by others who visit them is true they will be taken away again and he will never see them again. What should I do? I am disabled with a terminal illness and fear I may not be given custody. But I refuse to let my babies go to someone else. I am native american and am waiting for a reply from my tribe as to whether or not they will help me. 

Maria talk to her mother and tell her what you have been told and then let her mom check the pills she should know how many Ritalin were there and if any were taken. My son was on Ritalin they give it on a  monthly supply and they will not budge on that thirty day limit. I wanted to refill his one time before I left for christmas to my moms and it was only two days early and the pharmacist said it could not be refilled till the date on the bottle because its a narcotic and you can't get it early. Talk to her mom because Ritalin given to that small of a child is dangerous. They don't even prescribe it for kids that young at least they didn't when my son was on it. He is now on Concerta instead which is a time release tablet.  

 
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September 28, 2005, 7:18 pm PDT

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My son will be 5 in December.  He is generally a very good boy.  My husband and I have been finding ourselves increasingly frustrated.  He, at times, can not seem to control his own body.  He is not malicous and does not try to hurt people, but he can't keep his hands to himself.  I find that there are times that he can't focus at all.  Even for the simplest task like tieing his shoes.  We have made an appointment with his doctor to have him evaluated.  I don't want to label him or have him on medication, but it absolutly broke my heart when asked, "Mommy could you stop being mad at me."  He has a little brother.  It's not fair to either of them.  I understand in this brief explanation it doesn't sound like much, but trust me we are at our wits end.

Please make sure your son recieves a thorough evaluation by mental health proffessionals. Your regular pediatrician really should not diagnose your child! Medication should be your last resort. My son began having problems at the age of 4, and it took about 1.5 years of therapy and various evaluations before a diagnosis was made. Do your homework- if a mediction is prescribed by a psychiatrists, read about the side effects and risks. Be an informed consumer, don't just listen to what other ppl have to say, read about the facts, and ask your Dr. and pharmacist! 

  

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September 28, 2005, 7:20 pm PDT

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What kids need these days are a little more exercise, less video games, less SUGAR and parents who actually take an interest in their childrens lives.  I have a family member whose mom does a wonderful job making sure he is happy and adjusted (not normal because God only knows what that is).  She spends hours a night with him doing homework and giving him the extra time he needs.  Quite frankly I think it would be a cold day in h*ll before she put him on meds.  For them and this situation that works.  Not every case is the same though

Ok I am going to respond to everyone of your comments: 

  

"What kids need these days are a...." 

 

"little more exercise"... my daughter was on the junior high basketball team. Her practices were 2 hours a day... two games a week. She also did a half hour areboic exercise every other day.  

  

She does not do either at this time because she is struggling with her depressive cycle of bipolar.  

  

"less video games"..... my daugher HAS NEVER been into video games or television for that matter. She does use the computer on an average an hour a day, to talk to her friends, I used the phone when I was a teenager but times have changed. I also talked on the phone a lot longer than an hour per day and still do.  

  

" less SUGAR ".... The only sugar my daughter gets per day is what is in one can of pop if she chooses to have pop or what is in fruits that eats. She does not eat junk food on a daily basis, those are treats that she may have on a weekly basis. I do allow her to have one can of pop a day but she usually drinks water with lemon. 

  

" parents who actually take an interest in their childrens lives.".... I am a stay at home mom and am available to her from the second she wakes up until the second she falls asleep. I do have one other child who is 3 but my 14 year old takes more of my time than the 3 year old. If you consider, homework, IEP meetings, therapy appointments, psychiatry appointments, bloodwork appointments, attention. That doesn't include driving her and her friends to the mall so they can see a movie, spending time with her doing mom/daughter things like going to the spa, going to have lunch, etc. 

  

So now what do I have to do?  I have and do everything you say needs to be done but she still has bipolar? Since you threw out these sugestions and say it will be a cold day in he** before your family member medicates I am just wondering what advise you have for me? After all these things you clearly state I should be doing, I am telling you I do them and then some but my daughter still is depressed, hyper, scared, anxious, has panic attacks, hallucinates(seeing things and hearing things) still has suicidal ideation, still self mutilates, still cannot focus at school long enough to do her schoolwork, when she is able to sit through class and try to do her schoolwork, usually she is in the office with panic attacks because of the phobia regarding school.  

  

So now that I have answered your "to do" list what should I do next?? 

  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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September 28, 2005, 7:21 pm PDT

Wake Up Folks

Not to generalize, but let's be honest with ourselves for a brief moment. 

We have become a Mc Donald's society.  What I mean by this is we (the general populous) do not want to take the time to address the root cause of our problems.  We want someone or something to make it all better now!   

  

Our medical society is only catering to what we have requested. 

  

Seriously, when was the last time you took an active roll in your medical treatment by doing your own research?  Did you just fill your last prescription because you "trust" your PCP?  

  

Look back a few posts, we are even arguing about anothers position mearly because they are a public figure!   

  

Take charge of your life! Make your own "educated" descisions 

  

How many Mc Donald's are in your neighborhood? 

  

 

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September 28, 2005, 7:29 pm PDT

ADHD has different severeness's

Beingme you do realize that every kid is different and that no two cases of ADD or ADHD are exactly alike right? So there for in a case of a child that has ADHD but not a severe case, yes you can control  it with the diet but when it is much more severe where the child cannot sit to even think about doing his homework then you need to go about things medically. I was a stay at home mom and I'm still a stay at home mom because of situations. I gave my kids attention all day long I read with them, I played with them and I took them on walks and to playgrounds read to them before bed. Attention has nothing to do with ADHD except in the part as the child has no attention span at all.  

 

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September 28, 2005, 7:38 pm PDT

Mother with Bipolar/Alzheimers, Son with ADHD

I am currently battling with the declining health of my mother who was diagnosed with Bipolar at a young age. She is also starting to show sign of Alzheimers at age 61. My son, who is 5, has been dealing with elements of possible ADHD from about the age of 4. My husband and I are determined that he will not be on Meds. We have seen what has happened to my mother on and off her meds, the battle of finding meds that "work" and the neverending side effects. She is a grown adult. I know she has to be on some meds to go about her daily life but,  we did not want to see what would happen if a 5 year old was put on psychotropic drugs. He is responding quite well to a drastic change in parenting and behavioral therepy. Everytime we tried to get "help" for him in the past year it always felt like we were visiting the neighborhood drug dealer instead of a licensed medical professional. They were always quick to push the drugs. Even his current therepist, who respects our wishes, started out by saying " We can always see what happens with him on the meds"  (He is actually quite surprised at the progress my son has made. ) My son is not some lab rat to test on. I feel that too often in the mental health community, doctors push the drugs before fully diagnosing the patient. The entire community must change their way of caring for patients before the whole "drug pusher" mentality can be erased.
 
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