Quote From: drbill
Was there harm done, or could it be that something natural could be perceived as harm, when the real harm exist only in the persecuting eye of the uninformed accuser and self-appointed judge? Is something harmful if the "so-called" victim does not feel or consider themselves harmed?
Maybe the harm is caused by uninformed accusers forcing the "victim" to relive the experience while prejudiced self righteous hate mongers tell them they have been harmed. If someone does not consider themselves harmed until after they have been told the were, then who is really causing the damage?
There have been several cases where "so-called" repressed memories are realized, and then and only then does the person feel as if they have been damaged or harmed in some way. This is an example of someone who was not harmed by the original event, but are now harmed by the false information of the person bringing positive memories to the surface in a negative light.
If someone has had an experience, and does not feel harmed, would it not make sense that the real danger is from the person that is causing harm by telling them they are being harmed?
I suggest that harm or abuse or whatever you want to call it, is in the mind of the observer i.e. third party accuser, and the true harm can only be assessed by the people involved. A person is only harmed when they feel harmed without outside influence.
If you are struck or hit, you do not have to be told you are hurt, you know it all by yourself without being told by a third party. This is the same as some things are acceptable in some cultures and religions, while the same exact thing is considered a sin or illegal in other cultures and religions. While you were enjoying that steak the other night, others were considering the cow it came from as sacred.
The wrongness is not in the act, it is in the opinion of outsiders who have contributed nothing but their narrow one-sided viewpoint. When something happens to someone, then that person would be the best judge of if it was harmful or not. Instead a select few member of society have elected themselves to be the judges and prosecutors of what they alone consider to be right or wrong, and to pronounce to the public what they perceive as wrong, and to do so by only presenting there narrow view of only one side of the issue.
If you strike a person with your fist, it is considered a crime and you can go to jail, but if you do it in a ring and charge people to watch, it is a sport! It is illegal to have consensual sex where others can see, but you can film it and charge others to watch it and thats legal.
Is harm being done, or is it only perceived harm due to the prudishness of a few uninvolved individuals. Everyone will judge everyone else by their own thoughts and standards, but rest assured, no one would voluntary and repeatedly do what they believe is harmful to themselves.
Wow, please take this the wrong way... What you wrote makes you sound like an idiot. Yes, I did do my research, but I didn't have to. My parents where a part of this cult, as well as my siblings and I. We had it bad, but what’s so sad, is that other children in this cult had it so much worse.
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There have been several cases where "so-called" repressed memories are realized, and then and only then does the person feel as if they have been damaged or harmed in some way. This is an example of someone who was not harmed by the original event, but are now harmed by the false information of the person bringing positive memories to the surface in a negative light.
If someone has had an experience, and does not feel harmed, would it not make sense that the real danger is from the person that is causing harm by telling them they are being harmed?
This sickens me. My "so-called" repressed memories do hurt when the come up. However, I deal with it, and then move one. Who the hell gives you the right to tell us that these memories that we have really don't cause us harm. If you would do some research, you would see many people telling you that they were all taught to suppress these feelings. Growing up, we were taught to not talk about what happened and to not think about it. When you are a child, and you go through pain, you want to forget about it. But guess what "DR.Bill" it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt.
Let me try to explain, just one, and this is only one, of the kind of memories that I am talking about. How would you feel, if years after the abuse, you were trying to move on with your life. Trying to better yourself, because no body else would help you. You had started a family of your own and making it through because you knew you had to, and because you knew, you were strong. How would you feel, if one day out of nowhere, you had a memory of when you were five years old. You remember your mother giving you to an adult male, to "have his way with you" because it was for "Jesus". When you stand there crying and your own mother is telling you not to think about it, that it will be over soon. How in the hell!!!!!!! can you tell me that the only reason why that hurts, is because some one told you it should.
This is only one of the many, many, many, F@*%$# up things that happened in this cult. Then you find out the reason that this memory may have come up, was because your own daughter was now the age that you were when this happened to you. As a mother that hurts more than anything you could ever imagine.
Please, before you start spouting off, absolute crap about things you know nothing about, talk to some of the children (who are now adults) that were able to get away for the "Family". Hear some of their stories, listen with an open ear of what they went through and instead of, excuse my language, "Bitching" about how, they weren't really hurt, help them do something about it. Help find a way to stop this damn Cult once and for all.
(Original Air Date: 10/03/05) Imagine growing up in a cult where you are forced to have sex with strangers -- when you’re as young as 5. Dr. Phil talks to people who escaped the group known as the Children of God, and need help moving on. Meet a daughter who says she can’t forgive her father for the years of painful abuse she suffered at the hands of this cult. How can she reconnect with her dad and start trusting again? Plus, China and her husband, John, are building a new life after leaving the group, where they were forced to have sex with strangers when they were both underage. They’ve had a difficult time adjusting to the outside world, and China wonders if she should prosecute her parents for abuse. What does Dr. Phil think? Talk about the show here.
