Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 6:56 am PDT

Gay /Straight Alliance

I believe one of the reasons the age of "coming out" has dropped is because we are sexualizing our children.  Whether it is gay or staight, references to sex in movies, music, tv shows, etc encourages our children to be sexually active.  The Gay / Straight Alliance has chapters in high schools.  One can not be gay or straight without sex.  One can prefer the company of male or female, but many teenages prefer to socialize with their own sex.  GSA may be founded on support principals, but it is inappropriate in the high school community.  What high schools need are groups like SADD, Students Against Drunk Driving., something like Students Against Teenage Sex. 

 

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October 19, 2005, 7:00 am PDT

My Belief

I believe that being gay is not right.
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:06 am PDT

Hi from Justin

Hi everyone! This is Justin from the show. (I was the guy with the shaved head who said it is okay to be gay and Christian and that ex-gay ministries don't work.) This wasn't mentioned on the show, but I'm also the executive director of an organization called GayChristian.Net, which is a national nonprofit organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Christians.I'm happy to respond to any questions about my position on the issues and my ministry; you can also learn more about us on our website, which is linked right here from the Dr. Phil homepage.
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:15 am PDT

toys

  

 I am surprized that people in todays society reall think that toys and dress up are what makes you gay, I thought by now we would know it is a gene distrubance that causes this and just learn to accept this as a persons preference.  We are so eager to accept all other things in life why do we find it so hard to accept another persons life style and preferrence? 

 
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October 19, 2005, 7:22 am PDT

why do i need to know?

Why do i need to know what a person's sexual orientation is?  Why is necessary for me to know the intimate details of a persons sex life.  I don't care!  Please spare me the gory details.  This sex soaked society has really gone too far.  The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.  That's it.  Period.  Get over it already.  That may hurt certain people's feelings, however God wrote it and He must have had a good reason foe doing it.  He is omnipitant afterall.  if you have a problem with that, then that would YOUR problem.  Homo's need to get over themselves.  I don't hate any one.  Just because i think it's wrong doesn't mean i hate the people doing it.  My daughter does wrong things sometimes and i don't hate her and i never will.
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:28 am PDT

Can You Be Gay And Christian? YES! YES! YES!

 

Of course you can be gay and Christian! Perhaps not a fundamentalist bible Christian like a conservative evangelical, Pentecostal, JW, SDA. Southern Baptists or Mormon but  they are NOT the ONLY Christian organisations in America. Why are some people on this board assuming they speak for Jesus and for ALL Christians? You don't! There are MANY Christian organisations that welcome gay people and treat them with respect and allow them to worship and participate free from harassment and persecution. They don’t hide behind, “Love the sinner hate the sin” nonsense either. Some Christian groups that welcome gay people are: Church of the Brethren, Church Women United, Dignity/USA , Episcopal Church , Evangelical Lutheran Church in America , The Interfaith Alliance , National Council of the Churches of Christ USA  National Council of Jewish Women , North Georgia United Methodist Conference, Presbyterian Church (USA) ,  Unitarian Universalist Association , United Church of Christ , United Methodist Church , Young Women’s Christian Association and the Quakers.  These religious organisations accept what modern science and over 50 years of research says on homosexuality. They do not preach that gay people are perverted or any more sinful than anyone else. They do not support ex-gay programmes! They recently joined with the American Psychological Association and more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, to make a statement denouncing it as psychological fraudery and abuse. Do some Christians here know where the idea for conversion camps for gay people first originated? NAZI GERMANY. Go research it. Is that what followers of Christ want to get involved in? Fraudulent threatments that damage people?  

 

  

 

 

I know there are some fundamentalist Christians on this board who take Leviticus and Paul’s letters to the Romans and Corithians 2000 years ago as LAW, demanding slavish obedience to them. They act like Jesus never came and set us free of laws and traditions and as if Paul IS Christ himself when he is nothing more than a human servant and a sinner no greater than you or me. See Romans 7: 17-25. His letters are no more than his feelings, experiences and advice to a specific people at a specific time in history. If we are to follow his personal letters to early churches as LAWS then we deny Christ. In addition, Paul said, in Romans 14:5 “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” In other words, USE YOUR BRAIN and THINK FOR YOURSELF.  

 

How can you be a Christian and when you worship the bible as the final authority and not Christ. It is not the bible that is GOD's WORD. Jesus is God's WORD. The bible is a collection of Jewish law, geneologies, history, poetry, gospels and letters put together by the Roman Catholic Church and cannonized as scripture around 369AD. It is a tool to be used with discernment and in the RIGHT context. All the bible does is serve as  a spiritual guide that points the way to Christ. JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. To worship ANY OTHER THING as the word of God is idolatry. Only Jesus is "The word of God made human (flesh)" (not words) in John 1:14. The ONLY figure ANY Christian needs to follow is Christ. And what did Christ say when people asked him “Who are the ones who will be with you in heaven?” or ‘Who will get eternal life?”  See Luke 10:25-37.  What is the ONE commandment Christ ever demanded we follow? See: Matthew 7:12. Christ said this commandment fulfills the ENTIRE LAW and PROPHETS.  

 

These bible worshipers think by idolizing the bible as God word instead of following CHRIST as GOD's WORD, they can predict God’s mind on EVERYTHING and use the bible to judge others. They can EARN salvation and see themselves as righteous. They do not realize the danger they put themselves in. Why? If you judge by the Old law, so will you be judged by God that is what Jesus Christ said in Matt 7:1-2. The truth is NOBODY can follow the entire bible perfectly. Yet, these sects ask their followers to follow bible laws literally or according to THEIR interpretation in order to prove they are Christians.  Folks this is called fundamentalism or extremism. They are making a mockery of the FREE GIFT of God’s unconditional love. Remember! Jesus came to liberate people from hopeless bondage to legalistic judgmental abusive religion. Jesus IGNORED religious laws that did not show human consideration for the greater good and he asked his followers to do the same. That is why the Pharisees hated him. See: Mark 2:23-28 and Mark 3: 1-7.  

 

Should we Christina place ANY OTHER burdens or rules on others other than the commandments Jesus gave? NO. Jesus warned some would do so in Matthew 23:4 and they are nothing but blind guides who put religion over humanity. Bottom line, if we are to be imitators of Christ, we are to experience freedom. Jesus said, “My yoke is light.” in Mathew 11:28-30. So being a Christian should never a burden. It should be a JOY! It should be freedom for the heart and soul, refreshing the spirit. If you are gay and in a sect that is causing you to experience self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc. then you are not in a religious sect that is following Christ but their OWN fundamentalist agenda. They are Pharasees! Remember Jesus said, “The way they treat the lest of my brothers is the way they treat me.” My gay brothers and sisters in Christ, you are loved by fellow Christians like myself and there is a place for you in God’s heaven where Jesus said there are MANY mansions. ONLY GOD KNOWS YOUR HEART! Do not listen to those who would appoint themselves masters over YOUR faith; just remember your only master is Christ. 

 

 

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October 19, 2005, 7:34 am PDT

It's an instinct

It really makes me angry when people can't understand that sexual attraction is an instinct.  No matter who you are.  You are born with instincts.  The only choice a person can make is to be true to themselves.
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:49 am PDT

so??

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I think being gay is genetic but not a good thing. I don't think it is normal or should ever be considered normal but a biological defect like mental illness. As so many people say they wouldn't choose it .  

A lot of people have experimented with bi-sexuality in their youth thinking gay sex is ok.  

I think if you are gay "that's nice" but I really don't care what you do in private.  I would like to know why so many married men go to parks to pay for sex with underage boys/ 

Is it ok for a straight man to go to parks to seek out underage girls? 

  

Your comment is quite ignorant and if you think this way you are very naive. 

  

I am not gay, nor do I know any gay people persoanlly, but what I can tell you is that being a pedophile is not the same thing as being gay. 

  

My x-husband who is very staright molested my daughter... he is a pedophile, not a gay person.. 

  

You need to do some research and get some knowledge. 

  

Just my two pennies. 

  

Tammy 

 
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October 19, 2005, 7:56 am PDT

A Christian's Silence

I am soon to have a sister-in-law that is gay and is a Christian.  As a Christian myself, I don't agree with homosexual lifestyle or any other sin in which a person lives out a lifestyle that the Bible clearly states is immoral.  I strive to love my soon to be sister-in-law, but her defensiveness makes it very challenging sometimes.  It doesn't matter what anyone says or does for her.  She thinks everyone is against her now.  It doesn't matter how much love you show her, she will lash out at anyone with an opposing view toward her lifestyle.  What I want to know is why do so many homosexuals have this idea that tolerance equals a Christian's silence? 
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:56 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I will never truly understand why people say that being gay is heritary; I say (and strongly believe) that it's a choice.  Now as for this young lady who is stating that she's gay and a Christian is like saying that oil and water do mix.  Her parents should still love her dispite this, and if they are also Christians (I hope born-again Christians), they should know that Jesus wants them to do just that.  I will be praying that this young lady will understand that she is ripping Jesus' heart into pieces with her choice of homosexuality, yet He will still keep on loving her.  I strongly believe that homosexuality is a sin and that this young lady needs to repent and change her ways.  If she's been hiding these feelings for a long time, they have more than likely taken deep roots and will take a long time to transplant.  If this is so, she should get some good, Christian counseling (preferrably within her church) and start the long process of reteaching herself and retraining her thoughts.  If there is one thing that I'd like to say to her it would be that God still loves her.  He doesn't like her choices, but He loves her nonetheless.  That's why He sent Jesus to earth, to live among, and to die for our sins.  That's why this is going to be a topic that will generate a lot of talking.
 I'm curious.  Did you sit down one day and say to yourself "Okay, I need to decide whether I'm heterosexual or homosexual"?  If it's a choice, as you say you believe, then you should be able to tell me the exact time/day you decided and how you came to that decision.

As for me, I am straight.  I do NOT believe it was a choice.  That's the way I was born.  The way God intended.  Who are you or these so-called Christians to judge anyone else?  My younger brother is gay and he has the right to live his life the way he sees fit just like everyone else.

Please don't bother to respond with quotes from the Bible.  I believe in God, but I do not believe in organized religion - because they interpret and use the Bible to their own ends.  You've obviously lost the will to think and speak for yourself.
 
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