Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

Seriously?

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It is interesting to see that people with "religion" appear to have all the answers. The answers are not in our minds but to what do we gain our moral and spiritual values. There is none other than the Bible and the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Please read I Cor 6:9 "..do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived.  Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"... 

As you can see we are ALL sinners and I do not set aside the person who is a homosexual as the only person not inheriting the kingdom of the Lord. But only through the love of  Christ are we forgiven and we need to change our way with repentance and lead a life full of the highest moral standards we can be and not the lowest compared to animals. He is the Truth and the Light. God is Love and Good. 

You missed what I said completely.  Before spouting religion again, think in common sense.  Firstly, have you studied other religions to know that yours is the truth?  If not, you dont know your religion..just like in "God's world" we only know right when we encounter wrong, etc.  You cant be sure of what you believe unless you see the other sides of the table.  But thats besides the point.. 

  

If you do any research at all on homosexuality, please do it with an open mind.  You WILL discover alot of scientific basis for the claim that it is genetic (though environmental factors do weigh in too).  So, if infact we are born with it, then thats God's fault.  He is the one who molds us and gives us life into this world...he is the one that created DNA which is in every cell of our bodies...and guess what, if you believe that, you have to believe that he is the one who created the genetic variabilities which cause a person to become gay.  And, since everything God does is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from Him....so....gays are not imperfect.  They are the way they are because God chose for it to be like that.   

  

Jesus was apparently sent here to show us to love each other, no matter how different we are from each other, for only God can make judgement on who is deserving and who isnt.  Has anyone ever thought that maybe gay people are here for the same message and you are just missing it....(i personally dont believe this cause well, i'm not chrisitan, and because homosexuality is seen in primates, and many other mammals which renders it natural) 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:01 am PDT

what is right?

As a christian I beieve that being a homosexual is wrong. However, after watching the show today my feelings are undecided.  There is not one person that doesn't commit a sin or two on a regular basis.  In God's eyes every sin is equal, no matter how society views them.  One sin should not be looked as more serious in content.  Also, God says to treat others the way you would have them treat you.  Just because someone is gay, it doesn't mean that they are not a good person.  When an individual goes to the gates of heaven they are only anwsering for themselves, not everyone else.  Also, I believe that a person's sexual orientation is not based fully on enviroment affects, nor is it just a way a person is.  I believe that both are involved in some way , and maybe one more than the other.  In life there is not always a right or wrong anwser.  Sometimes you have to meet in the middle. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:06 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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     I was saved when I was nine. I’m the daughter of a Southern Baptist Preacher. In no way do I want to be disrespectful when speaking about my parents. I’ve forgiven them for the wrongs or perceived wrongs and I’ve asked for and received their forgiveness for what I have put them through. I only glance back enough to help you understand how satan built his arsenal, how he unleashed his attack and then built a stronghold in my life.

  

 

      Rejection and shame were pretty much the themes of my childhood. My mother was cold and emotionally detached. Just hugging was uncomfortable for her. I only remember one time in my life when my mother told me that she loved me and that was after I had attempted suicide with 2 bottles of pills at the age of 15. She may have said those words to me, but I don’t remember hearing them.

  

 

      My dad was a rageaholic, totally controlled by his inability to manage his anger. He was authoritarian and verbally as well as physically abusive to my mother, my sisters and me. Most days my home was like a war zone and there was always a battle raging.

  

 

      Compounding that problem was the fact that I was a very gangly girl, extremely tall for my age and terribly skinny. I would lie on the couch and cry about how skinny I was. My grandparents said my sisters and I looked like refugees or prisoners of war. Through most of my formative years, all through Elementary and Jr. High, I was berated with names like bean pole, telephone pole, ski slope nose and witches nose. There was no escape from the abuse.

  

 

      I became interested in boys at an early age, around 3rd grade, but they were not interested in me. In Jr. High I became more aggressive. My mother called me a “boy chaser” but in reality I was a love chaser.  Boys took advantage of that weakness and I became promiscuous and pregnant at 16 and then abandoned by the father of my baby.  No one at church was blatantly ugly but I remember the looks of disdain and the whispers as I walked by. The message came through loud and clear. I was the scarlet girl and was demoted from the preacher’s kid on the front row to the prodigal on the back pew.

  

 

       The rejection from my church family helped to create alienation between me and God. I blamed Him and drew away. I figured “if I couldn’t measure up and be good enough, I’d be as bad as I wanted to be.”   At 18 my daughter and I moved to Daytona Beach, FL with my best friend. I was pretty ripe for satan’s attack and plan for my life.

  

 

 

  

 

     I’d been:

  

 

Rejected by my mother

  

 

Abused by my dad        

  

 

Rejected by my peers

  

 

Abused and abandoned by boys

  

 

 SATAN HAD BUILT HIS ARSENAL

  

 

       Then I was invited to a gay bar and although I was very apprehensive, I allowed my best friend to talk me into going. The experience at the gay bar was surreal. It was unlike anything I’d ever experienced. One of the things that drew me in was how I felt totally accepted for exactly who I was. I wasn’t judged for my past and people were interested in ME. I felt like I belonged.

  

 

      It wasn’t long before I was seriously pursued by a very aggressive woman who had succumbed to homosexuality at a very young age. I’d never had that kind of attention before. It was usually the other way around with me sort of stalking guys. I don’t know how else to explain it other than, I just fell. That’s how sin is, a deep dark pit that we fall into when we walk too close to the edge of it. It really wasn’t that different from my promiscuity with guys. It wasn’t about sex. I was desperately seeking love and acceptance.

  

 

SATAN UNLEASED HIS ATTACK

  

 

       Well that relationship fell apart quickly. Not long after that my best friend and I moved home to Hendersonville. We found in Asheville a thriving gay community, which still exists. We became entrenched in it quickly and before long it felt like family.

  

 

      Amazingly my real family was changing and my own parents were wonderful grandparents. My mother was loving and affectionate. My dad was never abusive to my daughter. They took Tiffany to church on Sundays where she was saved and baptized. I myself didn’t attend church for years.

  

 

      Throughout that time my own grandparents were the one really godly example I had in my life. My Grandpa Pearson has gone on to be with the Lord, but I spent every summer with them from the time I was 5 until I was 15. I don’t ever remember a morning that I didn’t awaken to find Grandpa at the kitchen table studying his Bible. He was a choir member and a Deacon and spoke few words but when he did it was meaningful. They never treated me any differently. No matter what mess I got into they always loved me unconditionally. They truly did love me like Christ. I knew how they felt about what I was doing. They didn’t need to use words like abomination because they lived out their beliefs and faith.

  

 

      About a year after I’d embraced this homosexual identity, I met the woman that I would spend the next 8 years with. I felt what I thought was love. During the last few years of the relationship the discontent grew and grew. I was like a drug addict but the drug wasn’t effective anymore. I medicated that wound with everything you can imagine (drugs, alcohol, people, places and things, lots of things.) But I was still in pain, and I was still empty.   I remember lying on my couch late one night, everyone was fast asleep and I was crying and staring at the ceiling. I remember saying out loud “I know this is wrong, but I love her and I can’t leave. Please God,” I begged, “change my feelings so I can leave.”  I can hear his response as plain today as that night. “Leave and I’ll change your feelings.”

  

 

SATAN HAD BUILT A STRONGHOLD

  

 

      It was another 2 years before I had the courage to leave. I want to tell you about how my Heavenly Father wooed me back.

  

 

      My daughter was having her 10th birthday party, a sleep over. The next morning she came to me crying because some of the girls had made fun of her for having 2 moms. Believe it or not it was the first time that I realized how I was hurting my child. That’s how blind satan and sin can make a person.  That same weekend some of her friends were talking about Zacheus and Tiffany said “Who’s that?”  I said “you know Tiffany, the wee little man up in the tree looking for Jesus.” She shook her head. I could not believe that I had raised a child who didn’t know simple bible stories like Zacheus. I was mortified.

  

 

      I decided to rectify the problem by buying Easter dresses for me and Tiffany and visiting this church someone had told me about. I’d heard it was very friendly and great for kids. We went to Indian Rocks Baptist Church that Sunday and it was the warmest place I’d ever been. Within 30 minutes of arriving, people were hugging me, a stranger, and it felt like home. That very day, I gave my heart back to Jesus and joined the church.

  

 

      It wasn’t surreal it was SO REAL. The Holy Spirit filled me in a special way.  There was no way I could stay in that sinful relationship. The romantic affection and attraction I’d had toward her turned to an agape love. God was true to His word, and He’d changed my feelings. I became burdened for her spiritual condition. She wasn’t saved and I couldn’t play a part in her dying and going to hell.  We spent the next three days crying together. With her trying to talk me out of leaving and me trying to witness to her, but she just couldn’t hear me through her own pain. She eventually gave up and left. It was very hard. She’d been my best friend for 8 years.

  

 

      That was 13 years ago. Since then God has blessed me with a husband, Mark and with him I have experienced true love.  God has blessed me with two wonderful sons and four years ago with a gorgeous granddaughter, from my lovely born again daughter, Tiffany. As a matter of fact my entire family is saved!

  

 

      For the past 13 years though, I’ve also lived in secrecy and fear: fear of being found out and rejected all over again. So, I put on my church face; wore my mask week after week; and told God that I’d let Him use my past but only in one on one situations. Which almost never happens since most people with same sex attraction live in secrecy with it. I told God I wouldn’t go public with my testimony until the boys were grown. I didn’t even tell the boys.

  

 

      I never got really involved in church. I always played it safe. That is until I went to Mud Creek Baptist Church. Mud Creek was one church of my youth that held fond memories for me. My dad was ordained at Mud Creek. I was in GA’s there.  I remember pulling up behind what’s now the chapel and having church members load my parent’s station wagon with food when my Dad was in Bible college. It was a place where I did feel loved so it’s not surprising to me that it’s where the Lord has brought me back to for more healing and to serve Him. I tried to go there and play my same church game, but it didn’t work. The people were just too friendly, too loving, accepting and too real. When an Associate Pastor stood up in the pulpit and gave his testimony about having struggled with pornography, I knew it was a place where I could be real, where I could be me.

  

 

      #1           IT WAS reconciliation with God and getting to know who He really is, clearing up my skewed perception of Him that started my healing. Then reconciliation with my parents – forgiveness and compassion for the abuses that they themselves had endured that continued the healing process. The Lord showed me that hurting people hurt people. 

  

 

       My parents were hurting. God also helped me to see what contribution they had made to my life. Because of them taking me to church, I had heard the gospel and was saved. What greater thing can a parent do for their child?

  

 

      #2           IT WAS a loving church family first at Indian Rocks Baptist and then at Mud Creek that God used to show me who He really is and who I really am.

  

 

       You might be surprised to know that my healing did not come the day that I rededicated my life.  It didn’t come the day I ended that sinful relationship.  My healing has been a process over the past 13 years.

  

 

      God’s love and acceptance is what heals people. An intimacy with Him is the only cure.

  

 

      God is the Great Physician! His love is the cure!

  

 

      But He uses his people, acting as Nurses, Orderlies, EMT’s and Pink Ladies. Christian brothers and sisters walking hand in hand and side by side:

  

 

     Comforting, Encouraging, Providing, Counseling, Meeting Needs, Mentoring, Loving that promotes healing.

  

 

      Most of all, I hope what you’ve heard is that people struggling with a false identity, not understanding who they are in Christ or who God is, need your love so that they can fully experience God’s love.  

  

 

     They need the Truth, but they don’t care how much you know until they know how much you CARE.

  

 

     The Christian Counselor at my church has no idea how much her words of love and encouragement conveyed how much she cared when she called me a prodigy.

  

 

     I don’t feel like one, but I sure don’t feel like a prodigal anymore either! Praise God I’ve been Redeemed!!      

  

 

    JESUS REDEEMS HIS CHILD!   

  

 

  

 

  

 

I had a great childhood... my father worked to support the family, my mother was a stay at home mom, both were major parts of my life and I had great relationships with both, I had two sisters, no brothers, no access to "boy" toys, hate physical activity, love reading, crocheting, sewing, cooking, scrapbooking, prefer "dressing up" in skirts and dresses instead of pants, was baptized into the United Methodist Church after giving my life to Jesus at 17, was never abuse, raped, bullied, or given any reason to fear a man.  Im a blonde headed blue eyed big busted intellegent, caring, fun, sweet girl who never lacked the abilty to get attention from men ~ I just don't want it!  I've read the Bibile, studied, have my own personal relationship with God, and found that He and I both are happy with me the way that I am, why is that threatening to other people?  Is His blood not great enough to cover all sins, including the sins of homosexuals (not to be confused with the percieved sin of homosexuality)?  We have freedom of religion in this counrty, and my religion, Christianity, believes I was made in God's image, that Im fearfully and wonderfully made, that I was known and loved before my conception.  Why do others seek to devalue me and my relationship with my Creator?  If you have been to an MCC church you would see the truth, beauty, and genuiness of these men and women's faiths and relationships with God.  Their beliefs on salvation, the blood of Christ, the meaning of the cross, are no different the the beliefs I was taught to hold dear in the United Methodist Church.  Who is it that gets to decide that these people can't be "real" Christians, can't have a "real" meaningful relationship with God, can't be saved, that their whole spiritual experience is utter falsehood?  Why is it that God can't really be speaking to the souls of His Homosexual children and whispering to them that they are ok the way they are?  If this was a real big issue in Gods eyes, wouldn't the Bible have more than a few highly debateble (especially in English translations)  mentions of homosexual sex, and why doesn't it mention at all the concept of stable, loving, monogamus homosexual relationships or marriages.  And why doesnt God tell his children in the MCC and other affirming denominations of Christianty that what they are doing is wrong?  The only people telling gay people they are wrong is other people.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:19 am PDT

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people who are unaccepting of gays have me feeling distraught, anxious, saddened, yet still hopeful.  my husband & i have three beautiful & loving children all in their mid-twenties and our middle child (a daughter) is a lesbian.  i know this is difficult for people to understand because in the beginning (when we came to the final realization) you do think maybe they will grow out of it (but that is our own insecurities coming out)...but seeing the daily struggles of our daughter starting in her early teens trying to be whom everyone expected her to be and not her true soul was truly sad for her...and ultimately us.  through lots of tears & tribulations our daughter is today a successful & happy person.  we are thankful and blessed because our extended family (grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, and friends) have turned out to be very loving and supportive.  this past year our daughter had a commitment ceremony and is now "married" to a beautiful african-american woman with a young daughter.  my daughters partner was married once before to a man because she also did in her younger years what was expected of her....though now in retrospect we are all thankful that my daughter and her partner have a daughter!....also i might add she got married to do what is expected because her brother was already out of the closet being gay...they are the only two siblings in their family.  now we have a beautiful blended multi-cultural extended family and we all love one another and get along!!!...in fact we are ALL going on a cruise together in 2006!   

I can completely empathize with you and also feel distraught, saddened, and even angry. My only  

daughter is gay and lives with her partner who is Venezualan. She is 35 and is a successful  

professional. She came out when she 18. I too, inaccurately thought that she would " grow out " 

of it. But now realize and believe that it is NOT a choice. I accept and love her for herself. I visit them 

and stay with them periodically. [ I live several states away ]. I only wish for her happiness , regardless of her orientation. I applaud your loving and open minded attitude towards your  

daughter. Too often, a parent's love is conditional. If we really love our children , it should be  

unconditionally and complete. I get so angry sometimes, when I hear so called  " Christians " 

judging and looking down on gays. They live in such a narrow , self righteous world.  Jesus 

taught love and tolerance. That certainly isn't followed today by most people.  

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:26 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Why do i need to know what a person's sexual orientation is?  Why is necessary for me to know the intimate details of a persons sex life.  I don't care!  Please spare me the gory details.  This sex soaked society has really gone too far.  The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.  That's it.  Period.  Get over it already.  That may hurt certain people's feelings, however God wrote it and He must have had a good reason foe doing it.  He is omnipitant afterall.  if you have a problem with that, then that would YOUR problem.  Homo's need to get over themselves.  I don't hate any one.  Just because i think it's wrong doesn't mean i hate the people doing it.  My daughter does wrong things sometimes and i don't hate her and i never will.

Knowing a person's sexual orientation is different than knowing the intimate details of their sex life... Knowing Im a lesbian tells you nothing about my sex life, or if I even have ever been intimate with anybody.  However from you post I can easily determine you have had sex with a member with the opposite sex, and I don't think anyone is going to write you any nasty replies about sharing such "intimate details of your sex life."  If someone tells you he or she is gay it only means they are comfortble enough with themselves to admit that to you.  Furthermore, they probably are doing it bc you did something to ASSUME they were heterosexual, ie invite him out to "party with some ladies" or ask her how her "husband" was doing.  You put them in a position to either establish a relationship with you built on a lie, or to tell the truth though it will put their very life, their family,  under attack, examination, and debate, as if you or anyone else have the right to make judgment on any of it.  

It's an unfair position for homosexuals, and apparently not a pleasant situation for you, so if you don't want to know if anyone you know is gay (and 1 out of every 10 people you meet will be) then don't make any assumptions on their sexuality. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:30 am PDT

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Of course you can be gay and Christian! Perhaps not a fundamentalist bible Christian like a conservative evangelical, Pentecostal, JW, SDA. Southern Baptists or Mormon but  they are NOT the ONLY Christian organisations in America. Why are some people on this board assuming they speak for Jesus and for ALL Christians? You don't! There are MANY Christian organisations that welcome gay people and treat them with respect and allow them to worship and participate free from harassment and persecution. They don’t hide behind, “Love the sinner hate the sin” nonsense either. Some Christian groups that welcome gay people are: Church of the Brethren, Church Women United, Dignity/USA , Episcopal Church , Evangelical Lutheran Church in America , The Interfaith Alliance , National Council of the Churches of Christ USA  National Council of Jewish Women , North Georgia United Methodist Conference, Presbyterian Church (USA) ,  Unitarian Universalist Association , United Church of Christ , United Methodist Church , Young Women’s Christian Association and the Quakers.  These religious organisations accept what modern science and over 50 years of research says on homosexuality. They do not preach that gay people are perverted or any more sinful than anyone else. They do not support ex-gay programmes! They recently joined with the American Psychological Association and more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, to make a statement denouncing it as psychological fraudery and abuse. Do some Christians here know where the idea for conversion camps for gay people first originated? NAZI GERMANY. Go research it. Is that what followers of Christ want to get involved in? Fraudulent threatments that damage people?  

 

  

 

 

I know there are some fundamentalist Christians on this board who take Leviticus and Paul’s letters to the Romans and Corithians 2000 years ago as LAW, demanding slavish obedience to them. They act like Jesus never came and set us free of laws and traditions and as if Paul IS Christ himself when he is nothing more than a human servant and a sinner no greater than you or me. See Romans 7: 17-25. His letters are no more than his feelings, experiences and advice to a specific people at a specific time in history. If we are to follow his personal letters to early churches as LAWS then we deny Christ. In addition, Paul said, in Romans 14:5 “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” In other words, USE YOUR BRAIN and THINK FOR YOURSELF.  

 

How can you be a Christian and when you worship the bible as the final authority and not Christ. It is not the bible that is GOD's WORD. Jesus is God's WORD. The bible is a collection of Jewish law, geneologies, history, poetry, gospels and letters put together by the Roman Catholic Church and cannonized as scripture around 369AD. It is a tool to be used with discernment and in the RIGHT context. All the bible does is serve as  a spiritual guide that points the way to Christ. JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. To worship ANY OTHER THING as the word of God is idolatry. Only Jesus is "The word of God made human (flesh)" (not words) in John 1:14. The ONLY figure ANY Christian needs to follow is Christ. And what did Christ say when people asked him “Who are the ones who will be with you in heaven?” or ‘Who will get eternal life?”  See Luke 10:25-37.  What is the ONE commandment Christ ever demanded we follow? See: Matthew 7:12. Christ said this commandment fulfills the ENTIRE LAW and PROPHETS.  

 

These bible worshipers think by idolizing the bible as God word instead of following CHRIST as GOD's WORD, they can predict God’s mind on EVERYTHING and use the bible to judge others. They can EARN salvation and see themselves as righteous. They do not realize the danger they put themselves in. Why? If you judge by the Old law, so will you be judged by God that is what Jesus Christ said in Matt 7:1-2. The truth is NOBODY can follow the entire bible perfectly. Yet, these sects ask their followers to follow bible laws literally or according to THEIR interpretation in order to prove they are Christians.  Folks this is called fundamentalism or extremism. They are making a mockery of the FREE GIFT of God’s unconditional love. Remember! Jesus came to liberate people from hopeless bondage to legalistic judgmental abusive religion. Jesus IGNORED religious laws that did not show human consideration for the greater good and he asked his followers to do the same. That is why the Pharisees hated him. See: Mark 2:23-28 and Mark 3: 1-7.  

 

Should we Christina place ANY OTHER burdens or rules on others other than the commandments Jesus gave? NO. Jesus warned some would do so in Matthew 23:4 and they are nothing but blind guides who put religion over humanity. Bottom line, if we are to be imitators of Christ, we are to experience freedom. Jesus said, “My yoke is light.” in Mathew 11:28-30. So being a Christian should never a burden. It should be a JOY! It should be freedom for the heart and soul, refreshing the spirit. If you are gay and in a sect that is causing you to experience self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc. then you are not in a religious sect that is following Christ but their OWN fundamentalist agenda. They are Pharasees! Remember Jesus said, “The way they treat the lest of my brothers is the way they treat me.” My gay brothers and sisters in Christ, you are loved by fellow Christians like myself and there is a place for you in God’s heaven where Jesus said there are MANY mansions. ONLY GOD KNOWS YOUR HEART! Do not listen to those who would appoint themselves masters over YOUR faith; just remember your only master is Christ. 

 

 

God Bless!.

  

 

  

  

 

  

  

 I have studied this issue for a while now, and have read books like Mel White's "Stranger at the Gate".

 I should mention that I don't know any gay people that I am aware of. I am a straight ,white, female. I am liberal in politics, but also a born-again Christian. As you can imagine, I don't fit the mold of most conservative churches. In fact I am "churchless" at the moment. Mostly because I can't afford the gas to drive to the one I do find some common ground with. Curse the red states!

I encourage you to keep listening to Jesus. And look for an open and affirming church. There are more all the time. Find fellowship online if nothing else. Google Micah Royal. He has a GLBT ministry. I believe that God will bring in many new believers from the GLBT community. It may be the next big move of God.

Pat
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 Actually, scripturally speaking, there IS evidence that suggests that being gay is NOT a choice.  It's not as black and white as you might like to think it is.  There were men in biblical times that really struggles with being gay and not wanting to be. 
 I'd like to hear more about this.

Can you provide the scriptures?


 
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October 19, 2005, 8:37 am PDT

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Hi everyone! This is Justin from the show. (I was the guy with the shaved head who said it is okay to be gay and Christian and that ex-gay ministries don't work.) This wasn't mentioned on the show, but I'm also the executive director of an organization called GayChristian.Net, which is a national nonprofit organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Christians.I'm happy to respond to any questions about my position on the issues and my ministry; you can also learn more about us on our website, which is linked right here from the Dr. Phil homepage.
 Read my reply to onenmind1. In addition, I want to thank you for your courage to say what you have on the show. I will visit your site.

In my reading I have found that some do indeed learn to live a "straight" lifestyle. On the other hand, many who thought they had changed have found that they really did not. Since we know that sexual preference is on a continuum, perhaps some "successful" cases were somewhere in the middle of the range. In other words, both sides have a point, but are arguing when maybe they just misrepresent the issue, if only because they omit the whole picture.

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October 19, 2005, 8:41 am PDT

your perfect?

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  DR. PHIL, 

     IT IS A SIN TO BE GAY. IT STATES IN THE BIBLE THAT IT MAKES THE LORD TO WANT TO THROW UP. THIS IS A CHOSEN LIFE STYLE. I BELIEVE ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE THIS STYLE ARE LOOKING FOR LOVE, OR HAVE BEEN HURT BY MEN.  

    JESUS LOVES THE PERSON HE JUST HATES THE SIN, HE CAN HELP AND CHANGE YOU IF YOU GIVE YOUR HEART TO HIM TOTALY. 

Accept the fact that EVERYONE SINS! I am sure that you yourself sin in one way or another...I know I do but I also know that regardless of my sins I will be welcomed into Heaven and forgiven...granted I cannot quote the bible but that does not make me any less of a beleiver or any less of a Christian...just as being gay does not make a person anyless faithful or Christian...you can choose to accept these people for who they are...kind, wonderful human beings deserving of love no matter where they choose to find it or you can persecte them...is that in keeping with the Christain spirit you speak of to love the person and not the sin...I just wonder if you worry about what everyone does behind closed doors becasue the reality is I don't know you from anyone and I know I certainly don't worry about how what you do on a daily basis affects me
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:44 am PDT

AI also have suspected my son to be gay since he was very young

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Why in the world would you be prepared for your son to tell you he was gay at the age of 3??  I don't know if I believe that children already have a sexual orientation at 3.  I'm not saying they do or they do not, I just don't think so.  What would make a parent think that about their child at such a  young age?  Do you think it's possible that you treated him in such a way, as to kind of put that idea into his head as he got older?  (Again, I'm not "accusing" or anything, I'm just curious).
It's not a matter of pushing something on them I can tell you that for sure.  My son is also 15 and just "came out" to me about a month ago.  We have suspected this since he was about 2 or 3 also.  It's not all about the dressing up like a girl or playing with girl toys.  My 15 year old was an only child for 7 years.  It was just something about him, in his personality, part of him.  We just had some suspicions but put them in the back of our mind all through his growing up.  We thought, well, if he is he'll tell us otherwise it will just be a suspicion until proven otherwise.  NO ONE that has known my son all his life was even close to surprised when he told them that he was gay.  There are obviously some more accepting of it than others and that is where my worry comes in for him because just like any parent, we all want to protect our children from hurt and pain.  I don't want his heart broken.  I don't want him to be socially rejected by people.  I want people to love my son for who he is as a person.  Loving, caring, honest, hard working, thoughtful and  considerate.  He's wonderful!  The day my son told me he was gay the first thing I said to him was "Just make sure you know WHO you are 100%...then if you do, or when you do...then just make sure to LOVE yourself 100% for who you are!"  I think he has it hard enough trying to gain social acceptance as a gay person that the last thing his needs to worry about is whether his parents and family and true friends are going to still love him or judge him.
 
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