Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 20, 2005, 6:12 pm PDT

david the priest in denial

As far as I am concerned, David can go on all day saying how straight he is now and how if he WERE having sex, it would be with women, but when I look at him, I see an obviously gay man pretending to be straight.  Its pretty easy to use the seminary to hide behind so you dont have to face up to your sexuality.
 

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October 20, 2005, 6:48 pm PDT

Wedding?

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If you are gay, that's fine I don't hate you and I'm not scared of you.  However why would anyone gay or striaght want to put their sex life "out there" for the public  to see and hear about.  I am a straight married woman and I don't discuss my private life with anyone, and I don't want to discuss anyone else's private life either

Did you ever have a wedding, perhaps a church wedding, any kind of PUBLIC wedding?  If the answer is YES, then you've gone public about your relationship. 

  

Do you let anyone know you have a husband?   If the answer is YES, then you've gone public about a significant other.. 

  

Do you have children, biological or otherwise?   Does anyone, anywhere know that you have children?  If YES, then you've indeed gone public about your sex life. 

  

If a same-sex couple answered YES to any of the above, they'd immediately be accused of flaunting their sexuality.   

 
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October 20, 2005, 7:01 pm PDT

Scripture

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 How can you say that God cannot change a person?   This shows a serious lack of faith. 
Which Bible does the Gay Network use?
 
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October 20, 2005, 7:08 pm PDT

Change

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Recently I have become a Chrstian and now attend church regularly.  I have struggled to understand what God wants for me, and how this pertains to my orientation.  There was a book written by E.T. Sundby, "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home" which has really helped me understand my love of God even though I am gay.  So much of the bible has been misinterpreted over the years due to inaccurate trasnlation into other languages.  I think people need to understand that it is honestly not a choice. I did not choose to be gay.  Why would I want to be the black sheep of the family?   

I think the reason God made us physical is so that we can change or he would not have said "Be ye therefore perfect even as I am perfect.  Of course none of us are perfect but yet we can change by deciding to change.  I dont know why a man would find another man attractive for the purpose of sexual gratification but I think this can truly be overcome.  Have you tried fasting and prayer and I mean set aside three days by yourself and take no food or water and seek God in a prayerful attitude and he surly will answer someone who truly wants to break this stronghold.  Make no mistake about it it is a lust that can be broken by the power of Jesus Christ. 
 
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October 20, 2005, 7:16 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I think the reason God made us physical is so that we can change or he would not have said "Be ye therefore perfect even as I am perfect.  Of course none of us are perfect but yet we can change by deciding to change.  I dont know why a man would find another man attractive for the purpose of sexual gratification but I think this can truly be overcome.  Have you tried fasting and prayer and I mean set aside three days by yourself and take no food or water and seek God in a prayerful attitude and he surly will answer someone who truly wants to break this stronghold.  Make no mistake about it it is a lust that can be broken by the power of Jesus Christ. 
I wouldn't recommend it for one at the end you'll be just as gay as at the start and second 3 days without water poses health risks (7 days is survivable but not good)
 
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October 20, 2005, 7:26 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 If a baby boy is born gay, then he has sexual tendencies.  I don't think a baby boy has any sexual tendencies. 

I also think it's quite dangerous when people start saying that they knew they were gay at young ages like 5 or 6.   That means they started having developing sexual attractions at a young and innocent age, when Barbies and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles should be on their precious little minds. 
I'm sorry, I must not have been clear.  I am in NO WAY suggesting that babies are born with sexual tendancies.  What I'm saying is that it could be feasible that a neurological or hormonal issue/imbalance, etc. could not develop properly and when that person, male or female, goes through adolescence, whatever didn't develop properly, presents itself in this way.  I have spoken to many gay people and have had real sincere heart to heart conversations about this, and many of them have told me that they felt like something was different at a very young age (maybe not sexual feelings at 5 or 6) but that something wasn't quite right.  All I'm saying is ... how can you be so sure that there is NO WAY people are born this way.  I personally feel that anything is possible and when people tell me they have felt this way as long as they can remember, it makes me wonder.
 
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October 20, 2005, 7:29 pm PDT

Re: Scripture used by Gay Christian Network?

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Which Bible does the Gay Network use?

Oh, are you asking which version of the Holy Bible does the Gay Christian Network use? From what I can figure by checking out the site, at gaychristian.net, members of the network use a variety of translations. 

  

I myself use several versions of the Bible as well as a Hebrew version of the Hebrew Scriptures, called the Old Testament by modern "Christians" and two versions of the Greek Language New Testament, since most modern translations in English sort of base their translations on one of those two. The KJV used what was called the "Textus Receptus" as their basic source, which is also what the Roman Catholic Church's Latin Vulgate used.  

  

While the Hebrew Text Bible I have is called the "Masoretic Text," I often pretend that the vowel points in and/or around each of the Hebrew letters are not there and I look at the word as it was written in Hebrew Originally. Those "vowel points" did NOT exist yet at the time of Jesus. They were added by some Jews many years after he was on earth in human form.  

 
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October 20, 2005, 7:32 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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     Homosexuality is a choice.  It is possible you were born with the choice to make a decision, because Gods word tells us that, but to try to pass off your personal beliefs as a developmental function during the birth process is wrong.  I do not claim to judge homosexuality, but I do claim to know the trueth and strive daily to pursue a right relationship with God.   

     Your personal beliefs are just that; personal.  They are between you and God, because I already know the trueth.  I do not need a defence for living right; all I need is Gods hand directing me along my path and a hope that everything will be okay.   

     And thier is an argumnet that can be fought if you consider that the Bible clearly states that a husband and wife are to become one flesh once they are married.  It does not anywhere; where I read brings homosexuality into marriage.  It also convey in the begining of the Bible that as the womans part in the relationship she is to multipy the families size.  Same sex relationships can not mutiply through the natural process of sex created and intended for a female and male companionship.  Why did God create Eve for Adam?  She was to be his companion.  His wife.  To bare Adams children.  If same sex relationships were okay then God would have given Adam another man to partener with, but instead he gives  woman and later he destroys a city built on homosexuality. 

     It is my personal belief that Gods word instructs us how to live and I have made the choice to live my life in Christ.  You belief as you do.  That is your personal belief.  Right or wrong.  Do not judge those that are dedicated to chosing thier own beliefs. 

    I have read several of the messages posted on the board and I can understand both sides of this issue, because I have a cousin that lives as a christrian, but uses the excuse that she was born with homosexuality.  I can love my cousin, but I do not have to accept the lifestyle she has choosen to live.  I do not have to surround myself or my daughter around that kind of behavior, but I can love her and I can pray for her and I can know the trueth and not allow it to affect my relationship with my cousin.  She understands my beliefs and she tries to be considerate of that by not flaunting her personal beliefs around my impressionable child.  Expressing who we are no matter who we are takes consideration and respect.  

How in the world do you personally know that it's a choice?  I know what the Bible says, but that still doesn't mean that people could not be born this way.  I agree with you that sex should be between man and woman ... no argument there.  I also am completely aware of the whole story of Adam and Eve.  I'm not even saying that I think homosexuality is right ... what I'm saying is that with all of the million of developmental issues that occur in-utero, why can't this be one of them?  I have had many heart to heart conversations with gay friends about this issue, and they all tell me they have felt that something was different from a very young age.  These people come from good homes, no abuse or trauma, etc.  It's okay to not agree with homosexuality and ALSO say ... I just don't know for sure if it's a choice ... because really, none of us knows for sure!!!
 
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October 20, 2005, 8:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Hello, 

  

As a gay man, I can say that I am not allowed through sociatal approval to : 

  

  1. Get publically married. (untill reciently and in only a few states can I have a public commitment cerimony)
  2. Talk about my partner as my spouce.
  3. Hold hands or for that matter, show any affection towards my partner in public without condemnation.

These are just a few things that straight people do in public, their actions, that speek for their sex life.  

 While I am not a homosexual person, my best friend and "soul sibling" is and I totally agree with your post.  In fact, to take it one step farther not only are you not allowed to do these things that hetrosexuals consider normal, it can be dangerous should the wrong individual see you do any of these things.  Though, it amazes me continually that it's more moral to bash someone's brains in for doing something that isn't effecting you in the least than it is to love and cherish someone that happens to be the same sex.  We really should learn, as a society, to mind our own lives and let others do the same.
 
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October 20, 2005, 8:46 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I just logged in to see if anyone had anything to say about yesterday's show, and was astonished that there are over 153 pages worth of posts! Of course I couldn't read through them all, but the first 30 or so pages I think caught me up enough to respond to the topic.  

  

I myself am a lesbian. I am Civil Unioned to my WIFE. We are 100% faithful and loving people and we treat each other with the utmost respect and love. We raise her 10 year old son together and is a happy, well adjusted child. He also has something most kids don't - appreciation and respect for diversity.  

  

People are going back and forth on whether or not you are born gay. As a gay person I can say I DEFINATELY was BORN this way! Anyone who says they are straight and also says you can't be born gay is either 1) in the closet themselves, or 2) at least bisexual. I say this because I cannot change (nor would I want to change) my sexuality any more than a straight person can. I didn't wake up one day and say, "Gee, I think I'll be gay today!" I have been attracted to females since I was 6. My parents, brothers and sister are all straight, and have never treated me badly. My father and mother are still married so I am not the product of a broken home. I played with dolls, barbies, dresses and all that jazz when I was little, so you can't say my environment or playthings made me this way.  

  

I was brought up in a Christian home, and the only thing I was forced to do is go to church where I watched people dance around and pretend to "speak in tongues". We moved away from that church when I was 8 (it was my uncle's church) and the new church was better but I still didn't like going because even back then I knew something wasn't right about it. The one thing that all the Christians on this board (and in real life too) seem to do is speak like they are reciting something. Either from the bible or not. They all say things like "To be holy is to be with God. To give yourself to God," Blah blah blah.  

  

If you are not a brainwashed Christian you look at all these posts and think "holy cow!" These people are insanely crazy about something they can not PROVE. There is no evidence anywhere that says the Bible is anything but made up stories from people that lived a very, very long time ago. A homophobic people, yes, but that is all the Bible is - STORIES! I have no problem with people who are religious, but please don't sit there and tell me you are righteous because you read and believe a book of stories. Think for yourselves instead of just reciting what you were taught a Bible school! Sorry to get a bit off topic there, but this is an issue that should be closed by now. If we are to believe what the Bible says, than I was made in HIS image. And if he is perfect, then how could anyone not be perfect if they are made just like him?  

  

I love being gay! It is the most wonderful gift nature has ever given me! And even if I COULD choose, I wouldn't choose to be anything other than what I truly am inside - A woman who loves women.  

  

And why should we have to surpress our feelings just because you don't like it? How would you like it if we told you to surpress being straight and date the same sex....think about that the next time you expect a gay person to change! You would be miserable, depressed and sucidal...just like all those so-called ex-gays. 

  

One more thing, that priest on the show is NOT AN EX-GAY. He is not dating ANYONE. Therefore, he makes it seem possible, when really he is just choosing to be celibate. He still has feelings towards men. 

  

  

 Ok. You're gay. whoopee. Now, I see that you spend a great deal of time ranting and raving against a book full of stories. Why?

Why are you so angry about people not being able to PROVE their faith except by their actions? Faith is not concrete, just as love is not concrete. Now I personally don't expect change from anyone except when they tell me their life is miserable. If you're miserable then, change is required.
If you're miserable because you feel "repressed" then maybe you should stop THROWING YOURSELF AT PEOPLE! 
 
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