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(Original Air Date: 10/28/05) Being a mom is hard enough, but imagine juggling soccer, PTA meetings, homework and carpools all while trying to cover up a secret life of drug addiction. Dr. Phil follows up with some moms who say they were junkies. Joani, a mother of two, couldn't get through a half hour without shooting up -- and she was a nurse in a drug rehabilitation center! It's been six months -- how is she now? Then, Stephanie was addicted to Vicodin and took 60 times the recommended dosage every day. She's been clean for four months, but now has a new problem. Plus, a viewer inspired by Stephanie checks herself into rehab. Join the discussion.

 

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July 7, 2006, 11:40 am PDT

In response to "All addicts are liars"

Yes, we lied and we denied.  No doubt about it.  But what about people that lie in the midst of other extremely emotional life events like domestic abuse, divorce, sexual abuse, emotional abuse – you name it?  What about them?  Are they all liars too?  

   

  

I only ask because these are examples of extremely traumatic life events that cause tremendous suffering, just like addiction.  These events, like addiction, are commonly shielded by lies.  

   

  

However, in these situations it is understood that the lie, although terribly wrong, is a form of self-preservation during a highly emotional time.  These untruths are often quickly forgiven.  

   

  

My theory on this is that most people believe we can just simply choose to have our disease or not.  Like, “Let’s see here, well . . . no, I’m not really in the mood to be an addict today.  So, I’ll just stop.”  

   

  

Our perceived “choice” makes us both the perpetrator and the victim, so its okay to call us names.  Ugh.  

   

  

What if conclusive medical studies confirmed that only 15% of addicts ever had a choice about their disease?  What if 85% were either born with a genetic predisposition for addiction or unknowingly developed a predisposition for addiction as a result of traumatic life events and experiences?  

   

  

If that were true, would people be so quickly to persecute the "addict"?  

   

  

I believe that there is a significant amount of truth in that proposition.  Most of us were diagnosed with other disorders prior to the onset of addiction.  And, if you weren't ever diagnosed, you probably had a feeling you were quite different from everyone else.    

   

  

The denominating factor is insufficient dopamine.  While the masses walk around with sufficient dopamine and are able to experience love, peace and serenity, those of us with deficient dopamine stare in awe and wonder how it is that these people can be so happy, so secure and so willing to get out of bed in the morning and believe that there is something worth living for.    

   

  

Although we're dopamine deficient, we're often quite intelligent and, as a result, develop creative coping strategies.  The first time we experience the rush of endorphins from the "fight or flight" experience, we want more.  That rush of endorphins gives us a sense of peace, calmness and an optimistic perception of the world around us.  Because our brain and lives have been starved for and deprived of what everyone else has and lives comfortably with, the first taste leads to an insatiable hunger.  

   

  

Some say the "insatiable hunger" is equivalent to "craving".  Well, I don't know about you guys, but craving is not exactly what I was doing when I was addicted.  I compare the experience to being in a burning building.  We have the choice to either get out of the burning building or stay among the flames, but is that really a choice?  No way.  If you want to survive, you find a way to get out.  It's as simple as that.  Its not craving, it’s surviving!  So, does a person caught in a burning building "crave" to get out of there just like one might "crave" a chocolate candy bar?  No way.  There is a significant difference.    

   

  

That's one of the reasons I think addiction is so powerful.  It somehow affects our survival instinct.  Even though we realize that its crazy to keep taking the drug, our brain whole-heartedly believes that we will die if we do not get the drug.  So, to me, its not about "craving", its about "survival".  Does that make sense to you guys?  

   

  

Any rational person could tell the difference, but the difference in our brain chemistry causes us to perceive reality a bit differently than others do – just like a person with a high IQ makes different perceptions than a person with a low IQ.  That’s just how it is and our perceptions are equally as real.  In fact, our bodies respond physiologically to our perceptions, no matter how different they are from another’s perceptions.    

   

  

So, in that context, does an addict ever really make the "choice" to continue using a drug or drink?    

   

  

Here's an analogy that might help make my point.    

   

  

Imagine giving a person blind at birth a pill that almost instantly gives him the gift of sight.  Suddenly, he blissfully explores what he could only imagine before, and begins putting the puzzle pieces of life together according to his own observations rather than by second hand, quizzical narration.  Then, right in the middle of it all, without notice, his sight is taken away.  Do you think he might want to experience "sight" again, even if only momentarily?  

   

  

This analogy is similar to the experience of an addict.  However, sight is an extrinsic experience as it only affects the way one interacts with the world.  As opposed to experience of finally attaining sufficient levels of dopamine, which is both an extrinsic and intrinsic experience for the dopamine deficient.  Meaning that the drug of choice not only effects how one interacts with the world, but also seemingly improves the very nature of the person interacting with the world.  For example, I was finally able to feel and give love as well as able to understand how people got out of bed each day and went about their lives contently while I sat watching only wanting to die.  

   

  

It was a powerful experience – one strong enough to change who I was and how I lived.    

   

  

My belief is that “normal” people only experience the extrinsic effects of the drug and, as a result, it does not affect who they are.  Leaving the drug behind is easy when it doesn’t change who you are– much like the blind man could return to normal and resume his every-day life after experiencing sight.    

   

  

But, to us, the experience is much more than a “buzz” or good time.  Instead, the drug becomes a tool that enables us to understand life and why people want to live.  We perceive the drug as a necessary tool for survival that enables us to feel human and to understand humanity for the first time.   

   

  

The problem is that the tool ends up bashing us in the head and leaving us for dead in the end.  An unfortunate truth.  

   

  

So, a person with “normal” brain chemistry might respond, “You had the choice to take the drug or drink the first time.  That was the dumb “choice”.  

   

  

Okay, assuming that’s true, how many people with “normal” brain chemistry have made the choice to drink socially or try a drug?  Many may not want to admit it, but the reality is that a significant majority do try it.  Does that mean everyone who ever tried a drink or drug are equally immoral, weak and dumb?  

   

  

And, lets not forget the people who only had the choice to follow a doctor’s directive to take prescribed pain medication for a legitimate reason or to just suffer through it.  In my case, I was near death in a hospital when addiction started rearing its ugly head.  I was not involved in any decision process at that time.  

   

  

Sure, I could have chosen to stop taking the meds in time and, I did, for years.  Until a series of traumatic life events combined with another physical injury required hospital treatment.  That’s when my brain chemistry was so off-balance that I literally began believing that I could not live without it.  After years of living a sad existence, I followed my doctor’s treatment plan that improved my quality of life immensely.  But, you know how the story ends, the physical and emotional relief provided does not last long term.  It’s only temporary, and only the lucky ones get out alive by finding a doctor that cares enough to diagnose the resulting chemical imbalance appropriately and live a productive life.  

   

  

   

  

 
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July 26, 2006, 4:23 pm PDT

The addict family tape

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You can purchase a copy of the tape for that show here ...    

   

http://tapesandtranscripts.drphil.com/product.aspx?ProductID=442760   

Thank you so very much for the answer re: the tape I've been looking for. What a relief!  I bought it right away & can't wait to bring it to my counselor.  It helped me to toughen up and get to Alanon meetings and learn the truth about what is happening to our family. I have been educated, nurtured and empowered in more ways since this tape. I know that when my therapist lends it to others, it can do the same thing.  Thanks again whoever you are!   
 
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August 27, 2006, 9:31 pm PDT

Prayers were answered than crushed

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Hello to all,


I am a guest on this show and thought I would share things that I was not able to share on the show . . .


I just wanted to let everyone here know how wonderful Florida Detox is . . . Dr. Sponaugle and his team of medical professionals saved my life.  To anyone that is suffering with a substance addiction . . . please know that there is help available.  I was taking anywhere from 15 - 25 vicodin per day when I watched this show.  Seeing Stephanie on that stage admitting to her disease and hearing Dr. Phil talk about Florida Detox as a resource - that was all I needed - well, that and tons of prayers!!  I finally admitted to myself that I was addicted and I couldn't end it myself . . . I needed help.  The first person I admitted this to was Barbara at Florida Detox - Thank God an understanding, caring person was on the other end of the phone because I just broke down.  I was at the end of my rope - barely hanging by a thread.  Barbara's sage advice was inspiring and before I knew it . . . I was signed up to fly from southern California to Tampa, Florida, the home of Florida Detox, to fulfill the best decision that I had ever made.  Of course, I didn't know that until I got there - I was as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs!


My journey has been a long one, but no different than thousands and thousands of others out there suffering from chronic pain due to an injury or disease.  So many of us start taking pain medication for legitimate reasons and continue for legitimate reasons, but as I soon found out during Dr. Sponaugle’s lecture at Florida Detox, pain medication loses its effectiveness after 6 months of daily use . . .  then begins the escalation from simply numbing the pain a bit to help one function to needing the medication to just get through the day.  The need begins so innocently, like a calming whisper to take more medication so that you can do more for your family and friends and quickly turns into the angriest drill sergeant scream demanding for MORE, MORE, MORE . . .HOW MANY DO I HAVE LEFT?  HOW MANY CAN I TAKE?  BUT, DOC, MY TOLERANCE HAS GOTTEN SO HIGH THAT THIS DOESN’T DO ANYTHING FOR ME.  WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN’T GET ANYTHING STRONGER?  THIS CRAP DOESN’T WORK ANYMORE!  WHERE CAN I GET MORE?  WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT I CAN’T GET MY REFILL EARLY?  WHERE THE HELL IS THE UPS TRUCK – I WANT MY PACKAGE OF MEDS!  That’s when you know the disease has taken over . . . every minute of every day is spent thinking about the pain medication, getting pain medication, or taking pain medication.  All other activities are simply distractions from your full time job as an addict.  Nothing is fun anymore – there is no buzz anymore – you just have to take the meds so that you feel normal and don’t go into withdrawals that could kill you.  Welcome to hell.


By the way, I’m a 34 year old mother of two beautiful children and wife to a phenomenal husband.  We have a great marriage and a Normal Rockwell-esk life.  We live in San Diego, California.  We are both well educated with Masters Degrees and have been amazingly successful in our careers.  I was once a First Grade Teacher and later became a Business and Life Coach, but chose to stay home with my children while they were young.  We’re normal people and there was nothing in my life for which I was seeking an escape.  I was as happy as I could be excluding the chronic pain which required medical attention.


I wanted to add that bit for two reasons . . . one, because so many parents of addicts take the burden on as if they had done something wrong or that they could have prevented this from happening.  That is not true.  It is a disease and it will manifest in any human that is capable of making one wrong choice.  It is that easy . . . secondly, for all the other men and women out there like me that are suffering from the disease and continue to keep it a secret because they believe that they have become horrible people because of their choices.  Please, I beg you, please, both parents and adults, please understand that this is a disease and can be treated.  If you or your loved one had MS or cancer – you would get medical help – GET MEDICAL HELP FOR THIS DISEASE!  Florida Detox is where I went and I believe they are saving lives everyday.  Upon arrival there, both the one suffering from addiction and their loved ones will be educated about the disease and treated with the utmost respect.


Thankfully, everyone at Florida Detox understands the nervousness and fear - so much so that they send a driver to pick their patients up at the airport so the last leg of the trip is calm.  Prior to the procedure Dr. Sponaugle provides a profound lecture that has forever changed the lives of thousands.  Dr. Sponaugle’s goal is to empower the addict and their loved ones to conquer this disease through education and proper treatment.  Dr. Sponaugle teaches so much about how the brain works and how, through a chemical process, people with specific, but common chemical imbalances, learn how to self medicate to feel normal.  For example, I am from a family that has some history of mental illness (like most of us, I bet) and via genetics and some environmental issues, my brain did not produce enough of its own dopamine.  Therefore, I was dopamine deficient which made me hypersensitive to pain and stimuli in my life - a little ADD.  I was also dealing with a chronic pain issue that required pain medication.  During the lecture, I learned that decreased dopamine levels can heighten the awareness of pain and could be contributing to my perception of the intensity of the chronic pain.  That certainly was a new perspective.  I learned entirely too much to go into detail here, but I'll be happy to share anything if anyone wants to contact me.  I'll provide my email address at the end.  I also had a great consultation with the psychologist I will be working with over the next 6 months.


Following the lecture and consultation with their psychologist, Florida Detox provides a wonderfully, calming massage by Andreas - an amazing masseuse!  The next day was the BIG day.  I had continued taking my pain medication – as many as I needed so as not to suffer any withdrawals and this would be the last day of taking the drug that had become everything to me.  In a sick sort of way, it was like feeling the loss of a dying friend – almost like staying alive or getting well is a betrayal to that friend.  Well, I had to choose life . . . for my husband, for my children and for me.  I had not known life without this drug in several years.  I was scared, but comforted by my husband whom had since been educated about the disease that had invaded our lives.  He showed more understanding and compassion than I had ever expected.  His support and unconditional love provided the strength I no longer had.  Before I knew it, I was being admitted into the hospital and placed in the care of a wonderful ICU nurse, Karen, and she prepped me for the procedure.  Once prepped, the anesthesiologist took over and I was able to rest under a light general anesthesia for hours.  It's the best sleep I've ever had!  To my surprise, I woke up feeling GREAT!  The procedure cleaned out my receptors and prevented my body from going into an adrenaline rush of withdrawal.  I simply rested as my body and brain were detoxified from the abuse.  Patty and Gary took great care of me during the procedure.


There are days following the procedure that can be a little rough - no denying that.  The medical team advises that they can only eliminate 90% of the withdrawal and the following 10% is not a cake walk.  But, I will admit that I would have never done it without the help of Dr. Sponaugle, my husband, Barbara, Dennis, Tom and everyone at Florida Detox.  I just didn't have it in me.  Fortunately, the Florida Detox team knows how valuable every human being is and provides the inspiration to keep on moving forward.  It’s only been a month since my procedure and I'm doing fantastic!  I'm getting back into life . . . I'm dealing with my chronic pain the right way and am no longer a prisoner to the pain, the drill sergeant or the pills.


And, for my recovery, I'll be meeting with a fantastic psychologist regularly over the next 6 months to deal with what Dr. Sponaugle calls "soul pain".  This, of course, is a huge part of recovery.  I'm also encouraged to call Dennis or Barb if there is ever a problem or concern.  Further, I've been attending regular meetings with SMART Recovery online for support.  I'm excited about my future now and I'm eager to help anyone that needs any support going through this!


God Bless Florida Detox and the Dr. Phil Show!

I Tvo the Dr. Phil show everyday and saw your story while watching recoded shows one late night.  I watched you story and it could have been my own.  I am too a single mother with and addiction problem.  As I watched, I am going through everything you go through.  Taking pills before I even get out of bed, watching for the UPS man and thinking all of the time, how many pills do I have left and when are my refills due from the many places that I get them from.  THEN, Florida Detox came up and sounded like the answer to my prayers.  I have checked into many rehab facilities but most are extended stay which I cannot do..  My parents are both dead and I have 3 siblings (only 1 that I am close to, the other 2 are addicts that don't live productive lives).   Florida detox was the answer.  Not only did it sound wonderful but when checking where it was, I live only 3 miles away.  THIS WAS THE ANSWER.  I COULD NOT BELEIVE THEY ARE PRACTICALLY IN MY BACKYARD.  I thought wow. I am calling them first thing in the morning.  I went to bed the first time in 5 years happy and excited.  Then, the shoe dropped.  They don't take insurance and it costs 15,000.00.  I felt like I had been kicked in the stomach.   Everyone makes it sound like it is so easy to just go and get help,  IT IS NOT.   So here I am still>>>>>I have tried to stop taking them but become so ill, I just can't do it as much as I truely want to, I can't bear the pain.  I cannot even last 2 days.  Anyone have any suggestions on how to do this alone??????

 
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September 11, 2006, 11:24 am PDT

my daughter

as of july 12 06 my daughter call us for help!!!! she did this all on her own asked that we help her .  she called for 3 days to get into a detox center  she could not find one that had a bed in fear for her life , we sent her away. and by god's grace she is clean for 60 days and doing wonderful!!!!! now she is working on herself and wants to help others find a way out. thank god. she called all the family and told them what she was doing and even her son's father, he still has my grandson and things are good she just spent a week with us and her son and things went really well. in another 30 days she will make plans to have a new life in a new place and after the holidays have her son back. thanks for listening.
 
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October 9, 2006, 10:53 am PDT

chronic daily headache syndrome

i suffer from migraines. i have been a codeine addict which helped me for years but had to give it up as i started to get headaches every day. i as told it was rebound however after i gave up the headaches did not improve i have had a headache every day for a year and a half. some days its not as bad as a migraine but i have no life i can never go anywhere or plan anything. has anyone any practical suggestions that might help me. the triptans or ordinary painkillers dont work. i dont know if its all physical or part physcologic any suggestions would be appreciated
 
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October 24, 2006, 1:28 am PDT

Help

I have a friend that I new really well about 3 years ago. He started messaging a little bit ago. I really like him and I want to get closer to him and he feels the same, but I just found out he does drugs, or at least did them. I really like him, but I am scared to start a relationship with him. I don't want him to think that I don't like him, cause I do, I just don't know if I can handle his addictions while I am still strugling with my own. I know I could try to help him, but I can't let it bring me back down. What should I do???
 
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November 5, 2006, 11:37 pm PST

I agree...

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Be prepared to be sick.................you'll feel like crap for about a week or so, the first three days will be a living hell.    I couldn't do it cold turkey, I went to a methadone clinic.    Good Luck. 

And I wish people would STOP saying drug addiction is a disease.   It's NOT a disease, it's a choice.    You can choose to stop, and then choose to stay off the drugs.    Saying it's a disease is just an excuse to keep doing drugs. 

...I have been saying that about the "disease" quote for decades, nice to see the "experts" caught up!

 

Having said that, it is also important to do a cleanse:  parasite, liver, kidney, master cleanse, you name it.  Another good sounding board/forum is curezonedotcom.

 
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December 2, 2006, 11:22 am PST

Panic disorder and other mental problems

I have been thinking my acting for a long time now, I feel mostly that I am all alone with all my mixed feelings. I have panic disorder, ADHD, bibolar illness and also personal disorder. My toughts can be very traumatic for me and very heavy burden they are to my husband. I may think that some thing what my mind gives to me, is truly real and sometimes those toughts are nothing more and nothing less than unreasonable fears.

I don't know how long I really can suffer all these mindproblems. I know that I am not only one who is struggeling with these things. Because my husband is 12 years younger than me, I imagine that I am too old for him (that is not what he thinks!), and that he will regret later on marrying me when he may meet lady at his own age. My husband really loves me and I love him, but I can't help myself to find some problems even when there isn't any.

I am confused by my own head, toughts they really teases me. Then there is very common phenomena, that I am light sleeper, sometimes I can't fell asleep even how many lams I try to count! Even one nights awake pushes me onto panic disorder, and there I am thinking, that I somehow can't sleep at all, that I have to struggle by myself all alone with this thing. I have good psychiatry and I have told to him all that is need to know about all these problems and he has ordered to me such medicines as Concerta 18 mg, Rivatril 0,5 mg, Doxal 25 mg, Celebra 20 mg. Plus of cource my astma medication. I have been thinking, that what if there is a change if Concerta brings to me all kinds of anxioutes. It might, I think.

I have been narc before I gave my life to Jesus, I am believer but ever since I moved from capital city to countryside, I haven't met anyone who shares my beliefs because when it comes to Lord, I am very jealous. Also because my belief to Lord I am unable to accept my illnesses for once I got them, I was only accused by other believers that I am faking my love to Lord. (I would never do that!!)

I have two wonderful children, 18 year old son who (I think) is going to get married soon, and then 15 year old daughter who has same illnesses than I have, and lives in institution for that. I wasn't able to tread her when she was 8 years old, and doctor's made their decision that she needs a special environment to cope with her illnesses. Somehow I can support her in her emotions which are as confused than mine sometimes, and she is relieved when she can talk to her mother about all those things which spinn around in her head. But I don't have words to describe my feelings and tell them how they are, words are so futile sometimes...

We should have all things alright, there is not even single thing wrong in my relationsship with my husband. Still I feel that I am ashamed to drag him into my world of paranoya. This feels sometimes much like skitzofrenia.. It has similar symptomies when it comes to those things which are spinning in my head. What I do? I need help, I need friends, but all my friends are somewhere else than here, they can't support me and even that they could, I think that I would be too ashamed to tell that I feel really sick inside my head. Desperation is my guest in these days.

Is there someone who can say something to me that it could ease this all?


Only lonely imprisoned with sick feelings

Maria...

 
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May 20, 2007, 6:29 am PDT

husband hooked on lortab


My husband has been  hooked on lortab now  since 1992.  In 2000  he accidently overdosed and  was  shipped to rehab .  he claims he wants to stop.  he has fallen off the wagon about 7 times since then.  He is a functional drug addict.  He has a good job and still functions without looking all messed up at times.  I recently found a bag of pills in his truck.  I found lortab, methadone, xanax and no telling what else that i did not recognize.  i am a nurse and i am tired of putting up with this. we have 3 kids and i don't want to drown with him.  when do i give up on him
 
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November 6, 2007, 1:22 pm PST

Stephanie & Cara Vicodin addiction

I was extremely intrigued with the story about Stepanie and Cara (soccer moms with a vicodin addiction)  Having a "hidden vicodin" addiction myself I was intrigued by their story.  I am not making excuses but my addiction started due to a medical problem that required and still requires medication.  I have tried myself quite a number of times to quite but the physical withdrawals are untolerable. I went as far to call the Florida Rapid Detox center.  The disappointing point was when I called I was told that they do not accept insurance. 

I was wondering if anyone knows of a place where health insurance is accepted?  It is a shame that the physical and mental "will & want" is there but the financial availabilty is not.

 
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