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Are we raising a generation of ungrateful children? Sabrina and Jessica say they have the most spoiled nephews in North America. They get every toy they ask for -- all they have to do is whine. Their sister, Melissa, says her sons aren't spoiled, they're just kids who like toys. Are her sisters just jealous of her lifestyle? Next, Dori admits that her 13-year-old son, Parker, is spoiled. Parker says he won't take no for an answer, and even has a strategy for getting everything he wants. Then, Joan says her 14-year-old daughter, Jacquie, is a snob, and her need for trendy clothes is turning her into a materialistic monster. Can Dr. Phil help Jacquie change her ways? Plus, Lauren spends her entire paycheck shopping, but with no money in her checking account, she worries that she could be headed for trouble. Her mom, Diane, says she's not worried, it's just Lauren's way of relaxing. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 31, 2005, 4:56 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

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You're right!  What amazes me is that giving kids things is such a good tool when used as a reward, that a parent is robbing themselves of one of the better training tools by giving them things for nothing.

I'm not a big supporter of giving children commercial stuff for rewards or comfort.  That is no better than giving them candy.  It teaches them to reward themselves that way and that can become unhealthy.  

  

Our rewards are things like being able to choose the after dinner game we all play or allowing them some time on their xbox (that they saved up for).  If I give them stuff, I am interfering with my own plan of having them learn how to budget and choose things that they want. 

 
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October 31, 2005, 5:05 pm PST

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 Spoiled children do not have the confidence in their own abilities that being tested by adversity brings.  As a result, they flunk out of school, get fired, get divorced and suffer a lot of self-inflicted misery. 

I was the boss of such a young lady.  At the age of 35 she was having tantrums at the office, had to be constantly supervised, retrained to do her job, had to have her breaks and lunches timed.  You get the point.  Needless to say after years of being carried by the previous boss, when she failed to straighten up from her performance review under the new corporate structure, we let her go.

Now she's working on a job that pays half as much and has no insurance.  I heard her husband divorced her.   This poor girl's world fell apart and she hasn't got the coping skills to figure out what to do next.  I did not take any pleasure in seeing her self-destruct.  She had plenty of chances to pull it out.  She just didn't know how. 

So she had a "great" childhood - she was not permitted to go without, not permitted to fail, not permitted to make a mistake or have a problem.  How debilitating is that? 

She threw a whopper of a trantrum her last day at work.  It just so happened she made a sort of speech and her parents were there (the woman was 35 and her parents were there!).  After she was done hurling insults at everyone in sight, I saw the most haunted look on her mother's face.

Sometimes love is letting kids learn the hard way.
I forgot the most important part of the story - she expected raises and promotions because she existed, NO concept of earning anything whether it was a raise or respect.  Once, she went in an cried to her old boss and he gave her a raise!   So even into adulthood, it was still working with some people.  But not with others.  Intermittent reinforcement.  I wonder how she's doing in her new job...
 
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October 31, 2005, 5:14 pm PST

What can I do?

I am in a long term relationship with a very loving man.  The mother of his children passed away about 6 years ago.  The youngest of the four children truely does believe that she is entitled to anything she wants playing the "my mother died" card.  Her dad pays for her car and insurance, which i might add at her age is NOT cheap.  She calls 3-4 times a month asking her dad for money which he deposits in her bank account even if it means he has to do without for himself.  She is 19 years old, and works part time.  She wont work somewhere if the hours do not fit into her sleep schedule or interfere with her social life.  She has four or five credit cards that are maxed out.  She does have to pay rent to the family member that she lives with.  She was living with us but we made her work full time since she was not in school and made her pay rent.  I have tried to tell my guy that she needs to be forced into working more than part time and to pay her own way or we will be supporting her for the rest of her life.  How can I get him to see this?  I am so tired of seeing my guy run over by his kids. 
 
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October 31, 2005, 5:16 pm PST

WOW!

As a teenager myself, I felt this show to be sooo wonderful! I've worked for the past 6 years to horseback ride, I still do and I'm almost 18 years old! My family is not wealthy and I don't even have a horse. I ride horses that were given to a 14 or 15 year old because that is what they wanted and as soon as they had it they didn't want it anymore. I get so peeved when I go to a barn and see "barn brats" as I call them running around the barn in they're designer clothes not wanting to get dirty. . .it's a barn you get dirty. I just can't believe that parents don't know that they spoil their children! 

  

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October 31, 2005, 5:25 pm PST

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For you parents who are giving their children everything they want: You are doing them no favors.  You are not teaching them that material possessions won't get them through a crisis.   

  

You are not teaching them how to cope when they move out into the "big bad world".  Do you think their bosses are going to just give them what they want in salary or a promotion without earning it? 

  

For the first 2 years of a child's life , if the money spent on presents was put into a savings fund of some type, the compound interest over the next 18 years would pay for their education.  Wrap up a cardboard box and let them use their imaginations.  Kids don't care about what's in the box anyway.  Some of the best childhood memories I have was knowing that Spring had arrived when the local furniture store owner would call my mom (it was a small town) and tell her that his shipment of refrigerators had arrived.  My older brother would trot across town, bring home two boxes and he and my mom would cut a door and window and we would make curtains for our play houses.  If we wanted new clothes for our dolls, we made them.  We made our own clothes and that satisfication of knowing we had created something that was well down was worth more and created lifelong memories than going to a store and buying something that was boring after a couple of times.   

  

Limit Christmas and birthday presents to 3 items they truly want.  Make them decide what is most important.  And if they don't play with those items on a regular basis, make them given the toys to charity.   

  

Children today don't know the value of self-satisfaction of working and earning their material possessions, and we are creating a monster for the next generation.   

  

How many kids of this generation would survive if there was a repeat of the Great Depression of 1929-1945?  They wouldn't because they don't know what it is like to do without and be creative in problem solving.   

  

Parents - are you raising children or future adults?  If your answer is "children", then you need to rethink your path.   

  

And the mother who thought her daughter's spending wasn't a problem, and that her daughter would automatically learn to balance her checkbook , pay bills and control her spending needs help herself.  If you don't teach them, how will they know? 

  

Wake up America. 

 
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October 31, 2005, 5:52 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

I know someone who is a college student, bought a dirt bike he never uses, wants to buy a pool table, and at the mention of my espresso maker, immediately went on Ebay and bought one too.  Is this normal?????  and he has a wine making kit, and he has a dvd player in his truck, underglo lights...he buys things in excess that he is never going to use! 

 

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October 31, 2005, 6:03 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

I know when my kids where teenagers that I gave them a budget every semester to buy new clothes. My daughter would buy less expesive items to have more and my son who was a skateboarder would use his entire budget to get two pairs of pant, two shirts and one pair of shoes. I left the choice up to them. It was simple - here is how much money I can afford and I believe is sufficient - you live with your choices., if you want more - get a job. I started this when they were around 12 and 14 because I could see that things could easily get out of control. The flip side of their choices is that my daughter bought more items and cared for them less and my son who chose to go with limited but name brand items, really took care of them.  However it turned out it was a good way to encourage them to work within a budget and learn to live with their decisions. Its amazing how much more price comparing they do when they know they have a given amount to work with. It has to be a reasonable amount that is not too little and not too much and we based it on about 10% of one months of mine and my husbands combined income and gave each child that amount at the beginning of each semester that was for clothes.  

 
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October 31, 2005, 6:06 pm PST

Time Wasted

Dr. Phil: I am sorry that your time was wasted today.  None of the people on your show today "GOT IT".  I feel so sorry for those children because there parents don't even have a cue the damage that they are doing and have already done.  If they are our future world we are so in trouble.
 
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October 31, 2005, 6:21 pm PST

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Americans have the most personal debt than anyone else. 100 years ago, immigrants who made dirt poor wages and who came to this country with nothing more than the clothes on their back were able to die and leave their children something. Americans of the past would probably look on their great grandchildren's habits in disgust. Many first generation Americans are appauled and baffled at how Americans deal with their money. Both my parents were first generation Americans. I feel like spoiled kids are not really the problem. I feel like they are a symptom of a much bigger problem of our culture. And that is one of consumerism. 

  

Many families live in homes that are too big for them and they can not afford, but they still feel the need to pay these outrageus mortgages. Adult people max out their credit cards in order to "keep up with the Jones." Kids go to schools where if they do not wear designer clothes they are layed out as outcasts, no matter how charming or sweet they may be and where obnoxious children with the best clothes are considered "cool". American parents are overworked and generally don't get to spend enough time with their children so they just throw money at them. People don't teach their children any of the basics of personal financing. How should we really expect America's kids to turn out? 

  

The old saying goes, "the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree." People need to re-evaluate what is most important to them and get their priorities straightened out. I am not a parent yet and I just got into my twenties but it doesnt seem right to splurge all your money on toys or clothes for children or for yourself in this era of college costs and housing costs higher than they have ever been. I would hope that these parents would see the advantage to putting money away for tuition for their kids or for a downpayment on a house than the new Playstation 2 games or Louis Vuitton bags. 

  

Unfortunately, the affluent of the world waste far more of the nonrenewable resources than the underprivileged.  This is not just about spoiled children.  Stupid parents cannot teach their children skills they don't have themselves.  Is anyone out there teaching their children survival skills?  How to live without a mall or supermarket or credit card?  The first thing any dumb animal learns is how to feed itself.    Do these parents teach their kids to say please and thank you? Read a book? Do these children know how to feed themselves, much less a family some day?  I find it pathetic to see grown women who cannot press a shirt, prepare a meal from scratch, amuse themselves constructively, pursue the talents and skills they have within themselves.  I have no respect for a man who can't change his own oil or tire, sew a button on, paint the  porch.  Give your children TIME--not THINGS.  Toys and designer clothes are a poor substitute for attention.
 
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October 31, 2005, 6:28 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

yep, there are going to be problems with these kids, the more they get the more they want and some one better stop it now. I love and adore my children as well and they are the cutest little ones, smart and active and they certainly deserve to be loved and cared for but they do not and will not get everything that they ask for and they even at the ages of two and four know that if they want money, they have to earn it. these teens on the show are definetly spoiled brats and they will fail in life.if the parents keep up this way of allowing theri kids to manipulate them, they will continue to manipulate and they will expect every one else to bow down to them as well, and those cute little brothers, well they will end up the same way, imagine all the money that these families could have been saving for college, homes, cars whatever and the girl in college, well she is an adult now and she needs to grow up and the parents need to give her responsibilities! I certainly would not want to marry within these families, imagine how they will treat their spouses!!! And remember, material things will someday, get old and thrown away, why not put your money where it can be used, like to help the poor, to help fund research for diseases. whatever, what a waste of time and money these people have accomplished absolutely nothing when it comes to teaching their children the value of money and appreciation. I thank God that I was raised the way I was, not a lot of money and even had struggles in life but I knew how to balance a check book and to invest money, I could stand on my own and, know what it is like to help some one else more unfortauante then I was and I was a teen ager. Parents are to love and teach their kids to grow and to mature into good and productive adults, not to put them up on a pedistola nd make them think they are better then every one else and to demand and to manipulate people into govnig them what they want, and they will eventually learn all this the hard way if the parents do not take action and stop it. I have seen kids like this, as a matter of fact my dads sister was a spoiled brat, got everything she demanded and didn't have to earn a penny nor could she do no wrong in the eyes of the parents, yes she was smart and graduated at the top of her class and voted most likely to succeeed, well the girl ended up on drugs casue she couldn't handle the pressures of adult life and she now has mental problems living on the street, I can share more stories but I am sure it would be useless for these families on the show for what I have read, most of them are in denial and have no intention in changing, so sad, but I guess we all live and learn.
 
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