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Topic : 10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

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Are we raising a generation of ungrateful children? Sabrina and Jessica say they have the most spoiled nephews in North America. They get every toy they ask for -- all they have to do is whine. Their sister, Melissa, says her sons aren't spoiled, they're just kids who like toys. Are her sisters just jealous of her lifestyle? Next, Dori admits that her 13-year-old son, Parker, is spoiled. Parker says he won't take no for an answer, and even has a strategy for getting everything he wants. Then, Joan says her 14-year-old daughter, Jacquie, is a snob, and her need for trendy clothes is turning her into a materialistic monster. Can Dr. Phil help Jacquie change her ways? Plus, Lauren spends her entire paycheck shopping, but with no money in her checking account, she worries that she could be headed for trouble. Her mom, Diane, says she's not worried, it's just Lauren's way of relaxing. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 31, 2005, 8:17 pm PST

I'm Doomed!

I have the exact problem with my daughter, who will soon be 18.  She's an only child and we don't have much family that we can count on except us.  (My husband, daughter and me).  We too have spoiled our daughter, buying her most everything she wants.  We have always been able to give her everything.  Her father has always told her "your only job is school".  She has done well, not exceptional but  very well.  I worry all the time that she will always have to depend on someone, either us as her parents or find someone rich.  I have preached to her that we will not always be there to support her.  She has to learn the value of a dollar, earn her own money, and make it on her own.  She has no concept of what it takes to do this.  I just don't know if or when she will ever learn this.  Any suggestions? 

 
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October 31, 2005, 8:32 pm PST

Other Developmental Considerations

Thanks for covering an important subject.  Another consideration is that what you do with what you have may be actually more important to learning and development.  If you have toys and play with them, then want something different, perhaps the toy doesn't even have any intrinsic learning value.  An example might  be simple blocks where a child can play with them and create new games with nothing else needed.   

  

This really heads into issues with learning as well. The first child in the family is statistically the better reader.  The second child perhaps has less one on one time with the parents, but they generally have more books.  Thus another reason is that the first child read the same books over and over(it is about 14 books on average).  The second child gets those plus a few more with a average of almost 30 books thus has less repeatability with them.   

  

I would love to see your program lead into child development and how a few toys can be strategically used to help provide a learning environment for the child.  This is in opposition to just having things.  This would likely give the opportunity for new parents to see that the value isn't in how many toys you have, but how you use them and interact with those around you(parents included).  Thanks! 

 
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October 31, 2005, 8:35 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

My five yo is the  youngest of four.  He was born when I was 42, and my youngest at the time of his birth was 11. His siblings are a LOT older than he is. I'm able to afford more for him than I could when the others were young. Maybe b/c you had to times everything you bought by three. That's partially the reason. I'm in a better financial position than then, also. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I can pay my bills and have a few hundred left over. That's not counting what I set aside for groceries, emergencies, gas...etc. The few hundred is  money to blow. I could save it, true...but I like to buy things. Maybe b/c I couldn't before and now I can. I tend to buy my little one something every time we go shopping. It doesn't matter that it might be a toy from the dollar store. He still gets something. My defense has always been that he's a good boy, and doesn't act like a spoiled brat. Well, I don't like what I saw today. I'm going to do things differently.  I like what another poster suggested about giving an allowance and having them save towards something they want. My son asks for *everything* he sees on the commercials. Time to teach a different lesson. The only thing...in a small town, and even in not so small towns, kids DO have to wear certain brands of clothing..whatever the other kids are wearing. They are ostracized otherwise. I couldn't afford those name brand clothes for the other kids...the had to wear stuff from Wal Mart or KMart. For their birthdays I would buy more expensive clothing..but the generally I couldn't shop there for their clothes. They WERE looked down upon, and made fun of b/c of it. That doesn't speak much for their peers, it's just how things are though. Now that they're out of school, it's interesting to run ito those same kids who are now working at walmart. Things change. But when you're in school, you have to maintain a certain image or risk being cast out. I don't want that for my little boy. When he came home from PRESCHOOL and said that a little boy was making fun of his shoes b/c they weren't Nikes, we went to the shoe store the next day and bought a pair of Nikes. He's worn them twice...but they're there if he chooses to wear them. His favorite are a pair of hiking boots that were bought at Payless. And a light up pair of Arizonas from Penney's. Just goes to show...at this age, name is nothing. But let someone say so, and it becomes very important. Apparently this kids' parent told him that there was something special about Nikes, therefore something special about him for wearing them. I'm not about to let my little boy be made to feel inferior just b/c he isn't wearing the right brand of clothes. Wrong of me? Maybe. I don't know. I'm just going on past experience and what my other kids went through. I'm putting the brakes on the toys, though...tomorrow.....lol..
 
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October 31, 2005, 9:17 pm PST

Useful phrase

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Dr. Phil: I am sorry that your time was wasted today.  None of the people on your show today "GOT IT".  I feel so sorry for those children because there parents don't even have a cue the damage that they are doing and have already done.  If they are our future world we are so in trouble.
 As I've gotten older, I've realized that my parents taught me an extremely useful phrase:  "We can't afford it."  When I was a child, that phrase meant death to my hopes of having this toy or that, but when I married, I began to use it myself.  I never heard that phrase today on the show.

My parents did give me an allowance, they paid my tuition, room and board, but they made it clear that if I spent all my allowance, then I had to do without until the next installment came.  This is the kind of education that many so-called adults today never had, and is perhaps one of the most important lessons we can have.  It was as a result of this lesson that my husband and I lived on his pay and banked mine, eventually paying for our first home.
 
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October 31, 2005, 9:35 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

It would seem that most people were "put off" by the first mom on today's show. It was her demeanor, I'm sure. What was y'all's take on her? Did you think she thought she was better than everyone else? Her comment that her sisters were "jealous" b/c she could give her kids things that her sister couldn't give her own got me. Why is it that whenever we disagree with someone, or don't like the way they do things, we're "jealous"? I know of someone that lives in a monstrosity of a house...trust me, the thing is almost as big as the Taj Mahal. It's hideous, proving that money doesn't buy class or good taste. When talking about this house, if the person who lives there heard me, they would probably conclude that I'm "jealous". I have nothing good to say about the house. Jealous is the last thing I am...I wouldn't live there. I'd raze the thing and build something nicer. And definitely smaller. The people who built the house are self-made...two brothers who came up with some cell phone idea or something or other. I don't really care. I just don't get someone always saying that someone else is jealous. I wasn't jealous of one single thing about the first guest...and her demeanor suggested that she was bored and considered herself "above" all of the hoopla. Just my take...matters to no one but me..... 

Opinions on the "jealousy" vein?????  

 
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October 31, 2005, 10:01 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

I think that Parker is an ungrateful kid. It is one thing to whine to get things that he wants but it is another thing that he uses his mothers illness to get those things. Really Parker, do you think that she planned on getting sick and not having anymore children just to make you lonely. Give me a break. If you were in my house, you would have a bed and a clock, AND you would be grateful for that. I think that you should take Dr. Phil's advise about using his belongings as currency. Take them all away and give one piece back at a time when he proves that he deserves them. If he is going to act like a small child than treat him like a small child. 

 
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October 31, 2005, 10:14 pm PST

Spoiled was what I WAS...

I also was an only child born to a couple that had been together for 16 years.  My Dad was 53 and my mother 33 when I was born.  They were financially sound.  Daddy was a truck driver and was gone at least four days a week, so I was gifted when he returned home.  Mom loved to shop ( I think to fill the loneliness) so our Friday nights consisted of me going straight to the beauty shop after school ( 4th grade until about 7th grade), then to the mall where I was able to buy a complete outfit, matching shoes and purse, and the latest album and posters, makeup and whatever else I asked for, dinner,  and then dropped at the skating rink to hang out and show off my new stuff.   Then boom my Dad got cancer.  I can vividly remember throwing a temper tantrum because I didn't get to go shopping for a new Easter dress, when I already had one still with tags on it in the closet.  At that point my dad cried and asked my mom "what have WE created?", and I saw those tears and the disappointment in his eyes.  Daddy passed when I was 16 and a junior in high school.  My mother retreated into a bottle and basically I was on my own for several months.  I came and went as I pleased there was no one there to tell me differently.  Thank God my social life was the choir and youth group of my Church.  I didn't get myself into trouble.  When I came home from my freshman year at MU, mom had discovered she didn't want to be alone and didn't have anyone to spoil her as Daddy had, so we reversed roles.  My first job was on my 19th birthday.  I then did for her what she had done for me all those years.  Took my pay checks and took her shopping.  See the pattern.  Well when I did get married and start my family, I found out that there were bills to be paid (our home had been paid for), food to be bought, insurance to be kept up, child support payments etc... and there wasn't cash for shopping or fun stuff, the things "I WANTED", so hey lets use these credit cards.... Then we were in debt with a baby on the way.  Well I decided at that point I was not going to spoil my children because it is too hard to have to learn to do without.  We worked our way out of debt and finally after 8 years of marriage I got to buy myself a new pair of jeans!  My mother passed when I was 29 and I inherited everything.  I invested most of the money into a larger home for my family and left it there.  My kids are now raised and they didn't go without but they complained about not having all the name brands, a new car, play station and all that stuff.  They did get special treatments a expensive dress for prom or great cleats for football, but not something every time they went to the store.  Toys were from Santa.  Birthdays and Christmas they received the Nike and Polo stuff they would go-ogle about when school shopping.  They learned to appreciated what they did have and still have some of it today.  They keep their Cd's, play station, and games.  They know how to shop for the name brands at the clearance racks, and what great deals can be found at your local thrift store.  They can make a dollar go much further than I could at their age and they are also grateful they know what is really important and how it feels much better to have earned something than to have it handed to them as many of their friends have had.  I also learned that lesson with them and today they are all living on their own, different areas of the country, and have never asked to borrow a dime!  They are just 26, 24, and 22 and I couldn't be a more proud mother.  So I am truly against spoiling a child after being one and knowing the difference.
 
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October 31, 2005, 10:39 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

Kids do not need TVs/DVD players in their bedrooms.  What happened to parents encouraging their children to read or play outside?  It makes me wonder if parents who let their kids have TVs in the bedroom can actually read themselves. 

 
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October 31, 2005, 10:53 pm PST

where is all this guilt coming from?

 Will someone please tell me why every parent seems to feel guilty about their kids? "I have to give him things. When he asks, I just feel soooo guilty." And I swear, when these spaghetti-spined wimps say it, they all end the sentence on a whine that escalates upward. ... "I feel soooo guilty."
GET OVER THE GUILT.
The only thing your child is entitled to is your love, support and supplying of basic needs. The wants are something that should be handed out sparingly and then for good behavior.
If you're one of those parents who "feel soooo guilty (whine included)," maybe you ought to look within yourself instead of applying an external materialistic bandage to the problem.
I, for one, am sick of living in a world with spoiled, out-of-control, give-it-to-me-now kids. Ultimately, you're not the one who has to deal with the consequences of your actions now. That job goes to their fellow human beings and every time you shower guilt gifts on your kid, you're doing a disservice to other people's kids years in the future.
If you want something to feel guilty about, try feeling guilty about the defective product (your child)  you're pawning off on the rest of the world.

 

 
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October 31, 2005, 11:15 pm PST

Happy to hear it!

It is so nice to hear that overindulgence can become a problem!  I don't know if it is all the commercials on TV, just visiting your simple Walmart or Target, or what, but as a parent of three children, I am constantly feeling as though I don't give my kids enough.  I constantly want to give my kids more than they have, especially, ESPECIALLY,  at Christmas time!  There is just never enough!  However, our money and our budget only allows for so much, but I just always want to buy more for them.  Everytime I see a new "learning toy" or "creative toy" I feel like my kids need that toy, but, thankfully for my money-concious husband, we don't always spend the money on the things that I am certain my kids must have.  It is so wonderful to hear you say that kids just don't need everything that is available at our local toy store!  I often wish that we earned more money, if only we could just buy this toy...but we can'tl, and we don't have to.  We have a lot, more than many people do, it is just so hard to draw that line when we are constantly baraged with whatever the latest and greatest item is on the market that, if you want your kids to be up to pace with everyone else, they must have.  Not even just within the media, but within our own family...my husband and I chose to purchase our first home ( a major monthly expense), to put money away for our kids' college tuition, put money away for our own retirement, and for a really good cushion in our savings account should anything unexpected come up, but I find myself constantly comparing what they are able to buy for their kids that we just can't afford.  It is such a relief to know that by teaching our children that money has a value and that is not easy to come by that we are actually giving them more than any learning toy can offer.  They participate in many, many of the day to day runnings of a household, including cooking, cleaning, laundry, and simply helping out.  They get credit and actual cash value for their assistance in the runnings of our house.  They see commercials, and beg for whatever is on TV at the time, but I simply remind them that in order to obtain the things they want they must work for them, save their money, and then we can go to the store and purchase the item.  However, it just breaks me up that we don't have the money to buy for them all the things they want.   I do find hope in the fact that their working for all they obtain teaches them a lesson in life, that their father and I have painstakingly learned ourselves, that will assist them to become the kind of people we dream of them to be!  It does hurt to not give our kids all the things they want, but it does also provide them with a solid foundation of what they will face when we are no longer their primary care givers!  Thank you Dr. Phil for helping us along this difficult journey of parenthood, which gives you kids all of the love, affection, and family as you can give, but limits the amount of monetary reward all at the same time!
 
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