Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:17:57 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 6, 2005, 9:52 am PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Hello everybody. I have never posted on this message board before, but after yesterday's show I feel compelled to. I want one point to get across and that is that eating disorders are not a choice. Anorexia nervosa is a brain disorder, the causation lies in the brain. Our brains are abnormal, just like the young girl with PWS. Triggers are the underlying issues, not the causation. The causation is in our brains. It is a disease, and there is no cure (management, yes, but no cure). That is the first point I want to make clear. I have been suffereing with anorexia for over 6 years and have been to many treatment centers and researched more than my fair share of information on anorexia. If you don't believe me about the causation being in the brain, see for yourself at this medical page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed  

I was very upset with Dr. Phil after yesterday's show. The first thing I  heard Dr. Phil say to Kathy was that she looked wonderful. Hello?? WOnderful, good, great, healthy, etc. all equate FAT in our minds! I was livid by that time and should have turned the channel, but I chose not to. Dr. Phil, don't you understand that eating disorders are not a choice and that any comment on our appereance is not needed and only a trigger? I was also upset by how the show kept flashing Kathy's emaciated pictures and her extreme weight. Weight is not reflective of the amount of pain we are all in. One does not have to be extremely emacaited in order to be suffering imensly. I felt so bad for Kathy because of how her weight and pictures were right there in front of her the whole show.  I'm sure it was a BIG trigger! Kathy, I am so proud of you for having the strength and courage to go on the show and give yourself a voice. You are an inspiration, and girl, you are stronger than you think you are.  

I am also upset because it seemed as if Dr. Phil was saying that Kathy is now recovered. SHe has worked very hard, yes, but the hell will live on for MUCH MUCH longer and it seems to minimalize her pain and suffering. I am sorry if I sound like I am lecturing, but I just cannot stay quiet. Too much misinformation and stereotypes are out there. People with eating disorders are anything but selfish. We did not choose this way of coping. Please understand that. We did not choose this. We live with undescribable pain and hurt each and everyday. The battle in our minds is out of control, however, we percieve anorexia to be the only thing we can control. Anorexia is hell and recovery is much more hell. People do not understand how HARD it is to eat or to not purge. It is a battle each and every day. Our minds scream at us how fat, lazy, worthless, selfish, and undeserving we are. Anorexia is PAIN! If any of you have anything in response to this, I would love to talk with you. Anorexia has killed me every single day I continue to hold on, and I understand just how horrible and painful this road to health is. Thank you all for listening, 

Julie 

You are right that anorexia will be with you for a long long time, but the pain and the anxiety do lessen.  

  

I was an anorexic many years ago when I was a teenage girl. I used to eat 3 pieces of melba toast, 1 single serving can of pears and a great deal of black coffee each day. Finally, perhaps as I matured, or perhaps as the circumstances of my life changed, I changed and it became easier to eat and not feel as if I were getting 'fat'.  

  

The time came when I threw my scales away - and then lived in angst about whether I was gaining an ounce.  

  

Now, I'm a normal weight - 30 years later. But still I avoid people who are dieting. I don't join 'weigh in groups' at my workplace. I don't sit near the people who are on diets. I don't read magazines that feature weight loss articles. Just as an alcoholic is wise to avoid bars and people who drink a lot, I'm wise to avoid the weight-obsessed.  

  

So when Dr. Phil does an eating topic, I turn off the television set and go for a walk instead. I don't even know what made me come to this discussion page today, but I did, and reading your letter I could have been reading about myself 3 decades ago.  

  

Time can heal - and I hope for you it does. Take care. Be well.  

 
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November 6, 2005, 2:31 pm PST

Hey Thanks for the research info!

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There is an area of research that has determined that uncontrolled eating from brain disorder is a result of a particular protein being absent from the human body.   

  

The research has been able to isolate the specific protein - Neuropeptide Y (NPY), a 36-amino-acid peptide.   

  

The protein to suppress brain disorder appetite is now available in injection and patch form but is available only through prescription.  The research website ( www.phoenixpeptide.com ) has an outstanding amount of technical information regarding this research.   

  

This direct link to the specific information to which I am referring is somewhat long but very well worth the typing and the visit  to the website :   www.phoenixpeptide.com/Catalog%20Files/NPY%20Section/PYY.htm   

  

This protein became available to the public only within the past year.  

  

Hope it helps!  

  

 Hello:

I just wanted to write and thank you for posting the information on the new research.  I have sent it on to our PWS Scientific person, hopefully she will be able to dicipher the code, I am unfortunatley, not gifted in that area, but did read it and it looks promising to me.

My son with PWS is 21 months old, so it would be really great if this actually works for PWS sufferers!!!

You are very kind to have posted it.

Sincerely,

Joyce
 
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November 6, 2005, 2:48 pm PST

bad names

I watched the show about Savanah and her mother being very frustrated with Savanah's eating disorder. But Dr. Phil what were you thinking when you called that child mentally retarded. I was appaled by your choice of words. Could you of said she was mentally challenged or mentally handicapped instead. Please be careful what you say on TV as there are millions watching. I could sense you were angry with the mother but you have to show compassion.
 
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November 6, 2005, 4:32 pm PST

Amen on the MR!

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I watched the show about Savanah and her mother being very frustrated with Savanah's eating disorder. But Dr. Phil what were you thinking when you called that child mentally retarded. I was appaled by your choice of words. Could you of said she was mentally challenged or mentally handicapped instead. Please be careful what you say on TV as there are millions watching. I could sense you were angry with the mother but you have to show compassion.
 I totally agree, all of us PWS moms cringed and cried when we heard that antiquated and demeaning term when referring OUR kids! 

Thanks!
 
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November 6, 2005, 6:44 pm PST

Why can't I be 64 lbs again?

 I know that Dr. Phil tries to help these people, but I was banned from the tv room for most of this show.  I've spent the last 5 years of my life in and out of hospitals because of my severe and chronic Anorexia. My last treatment stay (and really,my last hope) was at a treatment center in Utah.  I stayed there for over a year.I went in at 64 lbs (I'm 5'4'") and came out one year later at around 160, a hundred pound difference.  They overfed me a little on purpose because I was a "chronic" Anorexic and they knew I would go right back to losign weight.  I did.  I have lost 35 lbs since them, and believe me, I do not consider myself to be thin at all.  I look at those pictures of those girls on the dr.phil show and I thought "I was that tiny."  "Why can't I be that tiny again???" Why can't I be?

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November 6, 2005, 6:54 pm PST

Anorexia Nervosa

 I wish someone would help me...
 
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November 6, 2005, 7:12 pm PST

Thank you

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YES! You said this very well; I absolutely agree. My family thinks that I am well because I gained weight, they say how much better I look now- this is causing me to relapse. People cannot just keep their mouths shut on this topic.  I think about weight all day long- it will not leave me. I am sitting here, still underweight, and feeling like the most worthless slob in all the world. And for those that continue to think that we are sinning, maybe we are- but don't you see that this is a battle, that we don't choose for this to be how we survive? I mean, I am not trying to kill myself or commit suicide.  Eating is just difficult and full of shame. Do you condemn those that cry for relief, that are depressed? Our feelings manifest into physical problems.  Unfortunately, we cannot hide our scars, and so the world takes this opportunity to throw stones at us.  No one with anorexia is happy!  

  

  

Thank you so much for repying. That really means a lot to me. You said it all very well and I really appreciate knowing that other people are out there that are going through the same thing as I am. I too have recently regained the weight and everybody just keeps telling me how "good" I look. Hmm? Yeah, it is also causing me to be very angry. Maybe we could email each other. I am trying hard to stay in this recovery mode, but it gets more challenging every day. If you would like my email address is behindgreeneyes67@hotmail.com Thanks again. I feel like I really understand where you are coming from :)  

Julie 

 
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November 6, 2005, 8:52 pm PST

Bring Nichelle back

I have an 11 yr old boy with PWS.  He has a lot of the "typical" characteristics, but for the most part, he's doing very well.  He is in 6th grade (general classroom) but pulled for math and spelling.  He is overweight, but his personality totally makes up for it. 

  

Now that Savannah has been diagnosed, I can only pray that Nichelle changes the way she parents and treats her daughter.  She's very lucky to have found out before it's too late. 

  

Dr phil...I think it would be great to do another show with Nichelle about why teenagers should not have children.  They're just not mature enough to handle it when things go wrong. 

  

Lea 

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November 6, 2005, 10:26 pm PST

thank you

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I'm sorry that you're angry/sad.   We all have bad days where we think we are fat, ugly, unpopular, etc.  I work at a gym of all places and we have this machine that tells the fat% of a person's body weight.  I am here to tell you that for a person of my height 5'2" and weight of about 125-128 age (I'm not telling) it tells me my percent is 39%.  The chart that we have says 35% is the max for people my age in the healthy range. 

  

If I believe that machine totally, I would go away thinking that I am fat.  Sure I have some lumps and bumps (ok they call it cellulite), but not for one minute do I think that I am fat!!!!   

  

Try and get out of the house and take a walk.  Can you join a gym????  I know that exercise works, and do not try and eat too little.  If you eat too little, your body's metabolism slows down, and if you are watching what you eat, it has the opposite effect on you. 

  

Hang in there and take one step at a time.  Look at each day and not so much in the future. 

  

I know my user name is food/how funny is that??  I like pie, that is why I exercise and try and eat healthy, so I can have dessert. 

wow! thank you.... i guess its nice to hear encouragement from someone else besides people who love and care about me. thank you again!
 
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November 7, 2005, 12:57 am PST

love your children

I wanted to post a message and let Nichele know that she was given Savannah for a reason.  You are only given what you can handle.  Believe me I have questioned my own advice once in a while, some days I think that who ever gave me the life I have must have been crazy.  I am a 23 year old mother with not one but two children with a very rare chromosome disorder called 4p Trisomy.  I know how it is to feel frustrated and in denial, asking the question "why me?"  I go to sleep every night praying that this is just a dream that I am living and that when I wake up in the morning that I will all be gone and my children will be "normal" (what ever normal is).  Yet every morning I am awakened by my beautiful little 3 year old, hugging and kissing me and saying in his own little way how much he loves me.  And I realize that my life is real and I do have to get out of bed and be grateful for what I have, and love my children for who they are.  I don't know exactly what you are going through with Savannah, but I do know what it is like to have children with disabilities.  When I first watched the show I was so mad at you and the way you acted and treated your beautiful little angel.  But after I had a few days to think and contemplate over what to write and what I wanted to say, I changed some of my views.  Don't get me wrong I still do not agree with yelling and spanking your children, there are definitely different ways of dealing with things.  But I do know how hard it is to deal everyday with the frustrations of having a child with special needs.  My son who is almost 3 doesn't produce growth hormone, he is developmentally delayed, he has many other medical problems, yet is an absolute lover and brings a smile to the face of all he meets.  My daughter is only 4 months and has the same chromosome disorder and can barely see, she is developmentally delayed also.  They are the absolute joys of my life, and the reason I wake up in the morning.  I can tell that you love your daughter and want the best for her.  My advice would be to take advantage of all of the help there is out there, get involved with support groups.  Be grateful that there are other people out there that have children with PWS that can share experiences with you. The only other person that I know that has a child with the same thing as my children is my sister, there are less than 100 documented cases of this syndrome.  It sure limits the resources that we have to refer to to see what to expect for our children.  Take time for yourself, to keep your sanity.  And remember to LOVE YOUR CHILDREN they will be the best gifts that you will ever receive. 

  

sincerely  

  

Sarah (mom and aunt of 4p angels) 

 

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