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Topic : 03/29 Next Generation of Moochers

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Created on : Friday, November 04, 2005, 02:48:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/09/05) Meet the "Boomerang Generation" -- children who attend college and then move back in with their parents after leaving the nest, sometimes multiple times. -- you can put a period at nest and delete sometimes multiple times.  Then, Kirsten, 36, has a great education but has depended on her family to take care of her for the last 18 years, and she's still living at home with her parents.  -- change to: Then, Kirsten, 36, has a great education but has depended on her family for the last 18 years, and she's still living at home with her folks.  Share your thoughts.

 

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November 9, 2005, 8:07 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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There is hardly any jobs anymore that pay more than $5.15 an hour, unless you count all those "work from home" jobs that are more than likely bull.  You try finding a job in a place like I live, but, judging by the date you are quoted as typing, you are probably retired and living off of Social Security that I helped to give you when I did have a job.  So what would YOU know about it.  I think that a lot of the trouble is that there are more people than there are jobs and that people in the stage between highschool and college are suffering titles like "mooch" while they attempt to scratch out a living in our failing economy.  And college tution keeps going up and up, making it impossible for people like me to go to college, forcing me to work minimum wage jobs, and forcing me to throw all my money away on rent, bills, gas, etc. 

And now that our Colorado government is going to keep all the excess taxes that they have raped from me, I am seriously thinking about throwing myself off of a bridge.   

 Hey the economy is going in the toilet.

Even people in their 30s, with college degrees are only making 10, 11, 12 and hour and barely making it.  I just realized my household income has not gone up in 5 years, despite endless efforts. Im kind of freaked out because even my ebay sales-- I only sell a small amount--pin money that was really needed-- have literally gone in the toilet in the last year....[I have the feeling that is an early sympton of the real state of the economy--]

The sick thing is older people who lived in a much different world when jobs were for life and there was actually incomes that paid substenance wages, dont GET it.


Dont throw yourself from a bridge. I will pray for you.
 
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November 9, 2005, 8:14 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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 I don't think the boomerang effect is just a result of dispositional factors of either the parents or the kids.  I think I big part of it is that the world is changing; the middle class is thinning and dividing, minimum wage is not anywhere near enough to live on, and college education is no longer something that puts you at a major advantage.  I'm only 23 years old, so I can't go on about the 'good old days,' but my parents can, and I don't always ahve a chance to escape.  Through these conversations, my observations, and what I understand about our culture in general, not everyone has a chance at making it financially.  Going to college doesn't guarantee a job that pays more than minimum wage, it just guarantees a debt.  I was lucky that my parents paid for my college education, but I'm getting ready to go for grad school loans, and I'm watching my friends with college degrees struggle to survive above the poverty level, and I'm horribly scared to go in debt--even for a PhD--because there's just no way to guarantee that the job market is going to allow for me to pay off my loans, no matter what my work ethic and dedication.  I believe this is the reason for the boomerang effect, and I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
 I have a weird piece of advice for young people on this board.

College unless you have the money for a professional degree-lawyer, doctor etc, is a racket for most.

That 20,000-60,000++++ would be better spent on a house or a business Im serious. Imagine buying a small house and not having to ever pay rent or mortagage again. Imagine starting off a business that brings in money rather then where you have to work for years to pay off a loan.

One can educate THEMSELVES away from school. Yes I know there some things that require certification etc....but peoples options are more then just GO TO COLLEGE.

College isnt as necessary as they make it out to be. Some may disagree with me. {I have a college degree by the way]

If I had it to do over, I would have forgone college and sunk the money I spent on it into a small house or business.


 
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November 9, 2005, 8:17 pm PST

Boomerang Kids Not Always A Bad Thing

Two of my sons (ages 21 & 23) moved back in with me and their 14 year old brother.  I had been laid off from my job and returned to college to finish my degree.  My boys help me with the bills, encourage me to stick with school, and help with chauffering their younger brother.  They help keep my pathetically old car running.  We have been through alot as a family, the molestation of one of their sisters by their father (and his resulting imprisonment), the kidnapping & rape of the other sister, homelessness, financial devestation.  I would not be were I am today, soon to graduate with my college degree if it weren't for my boomerang kids!  I know they have not been perfect but they are making efforts to not be just merely survivors but overcomers of adversity.
 
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November 9, 2005, 9:37 pm PST

no bridge jumpn' please

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 Hey the economy is going in the toilet.

Even people in their 30s, with college degrees are only making 10, 11, 12 and hour and barely making it.  I just realized my household income has not gone up in 5 years, despite endless efforts. Im kind of freaked out because even my ebay sales-- I only sell a small amount--pin money that was really needed-- have literally gone in the toilet in the last year....[I have the feeling that is an early sympton of the real state of the economy--

The sick thing is older people who lived in a much different world when jobs were for life and there was actually incomes that paid substenance wages, dont GET it.


Dont throw yourself from a bridge. I will pray for you.

I must say that i too am thirtyish...and did not go to "college" or graduate high school for that matter...life is hard to live for those of us that choose too...no matter how much you have or don't have ($ wise) we are all people dealing with (or not) what comes our way...lol 

 
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November 9, 2005, 9:41 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: twnty1inwi

 Once again - the 21 year old here.. Just to clarify, I am just living at home until I get my bills paid off, then plan on moving out to a new house.  Its much easier to live at home while making $900/mo of vehicle and insurance payments, plus 80 for health insurance, and about $150 a month for gas...  its just a lot easier to be living at home for free until I can get the cars paid off, and buy a new house...living at home lets me put a couple hundred in savings a month, plus extra for movies, food and entertainment and such..
so basically you are at home living off your parents so you can have your toys and entertainment, You are 21, GROW UP! the least you can do is pay for the roof over your head like mature adults do. If you can afford cars and entertainment then you can afford to pay some rent! It's one thing to be working to get on your feet but your using your parents to have the luxuries. Do you help around the house and cook your own food and do your own laundry and wash your own dishes, and clean your own room. I sure the heck hope so. I sure hope you don't expect your parents to take care of you. I am assuming that you work since you have luxuries to pay for, ever consider getting two jobs and/ or getting rid of a vehicle and living within your means, yep, you are a moocher.
 
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November 9, 2005, 9:47 pm PST

part of the blame has to go to the parents

this is a subject that i just dont understand, i am the youngest of 3, both my sister and brother are 14 and 13 years OLDER then me. With that being said, i am the only one in the family who never moved back in after i moved out. MY sister moved back in so many times with and with out her husband at the time( she's been married twice) 

With both they ASKED before they moved back in, this last time, which my sister is nearing 50 now, she bullied my dad when he told them to move out or he would call the police(long story) 

i put the blame on her AND my parents 50-50, now for the one lady whos daughter has mental issues or a mental problem, to me there is no diffrence between, shes dropped out of collage shes got mental issues, same as my brother, he could,t hold down a job, made questionable choices with everything, and did illeagle drugs. If it hadn't been for my parents he would have passed away alot sooner then he did 

 
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November 9, 2005, 9:48 pm PST

i am proud of yall

Quote From: jsavell_02

Hi I am 22, married, have two children and my husband and I have owned our own home since we were 18.  So I don't believe that the so called adults on todays show can't have a descent life without being moochers.  I work during the day and my husband takes care of the kids and he works at night.  Anyone can make it at a young age if you just work hard at it.  The 4 years we have been on our own we have only borrowed $100 from my parents and it was paid back the next week.  It just takes some hard work.

you are an inspiration...i also married young...(we did live together for 2 yrs) NOT TO IMPLY others should anyway we have been married 12 years this year...believe me hard honest work will help everyone to success... 

 
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November 9, 2005, 9:57 pm PST

Judy

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Do you have any idea how many decades that will take?  (It doesn't pay THAT decently.  I mean "decently" in that I can pay my rent, car insurance, gas, and basic personal expenses without going into debt, which is what was happening at my last job.)  A "good starting position" is only that--I'm very glad to have it but it's still grunt work and it pays as such. 

  

I am taking part-time courses.  I'm taking online courses so they won't interfere with my job, which does not allow for a flexible schedule.  They do, however, require a high-speed internet connection, which is one of the things that most of the posts on here would consider a luxury (I consider it a luxury, too, except that I can't take the classes without it.  It's a master's program and the classes are not offered on a local campus.  There is nothing comparable in my area or I'd be doing that instead).  I have absolutely no plans to stop working or change jobs; in fact, the job and the school are in the same field and complement one another, except I need the schooling to make any real progress beyond office girl. 

  

I'm not out partying and spending my money on clothes (ha ha--my parents wish I would go out more).  I don't have children.  I'm not footing the bill for a loser boyfriend.  I'm not sitting on my butt while my mother washes my socks and scrubs my soap-scum out of the bath-tub.  I pay $650 a month room and board, which is more than any other amounts I've seen posted here, and have never been late.  I clean up after myself and do any chores, errands, etc. that I'm asked.  They can borrow my car any time they need a station wagon.  Rent here is not exorbitant but it is a big city and there is a lot of competition from low-income renters, and the apartments I can afford are not in safe neighborhoods.  I don't know anyone here to take on as a roommate, and, as a single woman, I would be very hesitant to live with somebody that I didn't know well.  Believe me, I could stand to be a little less cozy, but as it is, I need a little slack financially and my parents need somebody who can help with the physical work that my mother cannot do (she cannot lift or grasp well and she cannot be in the sun, so I do a lot of housework and help Dad with the yard). 

Hon,  

why are you so mad? if your helping your parents then you have made a humble chioce...if you want more for your own life that is understandable too...but dear please hurt our old feelings :) 

 
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November 9, 2005, 10:04 pm PST

24 yr old daughter + two children

Our 24 yr old daughter moved back home a year and two months ago with our two grandchildren both under the age of three.  The reason for this, we thought, was a divorce from her drug-addicted husband.  Well, she still hasn't gotten a divorce at this time and we have paid over $15,000 in lawyer bills, supported her duing all of the depression time, I'm their day care and she works at my husbands company part-time...with no bills except for her car insurance...and still has no money to move out on her own. 

We have set house rules and she has just about flipped out on us this evening...amazing that  

Dr. Phil's show was about the topic of our home discussion this evening. 

My husband and I are at our wits end.  We still have a 17 year old daughter that is living at home and we wanted her senior year to be a blessed one and our house is a total whirlwind. We want a peaceful house without stress and arguing...and there are only a few days that this takes place. 

We are willing help our 24 yr old daughter, we just can't support her unless she follows a few rules now...and she believes we are trying to run her life instead of assist. 

After a year of living with us, she still has an attitude that hurts us and is disrespectful to her father and me when we want to talk to her about what she plans on doing with her life.   

I love my daughter and my beautiful grandchildren, I'm just hoping that she will stand on her own two feet soon...like tomorrow. 

 
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November 9, 2005, 10:42 pm PST

Judge not!!!

Quote From: unclemtl

Having a mental illness is not an excuse to drop out of college? Are you kidding me? Mental illnesses can be very disabilitating even when a person doesn't look like they have anything wrong with them. Howard Hughes, the aviation pioneer of the 1940's, in his last years of life didn't even leave his room because he suffered from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Yet, you would of kicked Howard out on his ass and said get a job. I don't think that would of been very helpful given his disorder.  

  

I still find it strange that the mother left the household two years ago and no one seems to think that this behavior is odd?  

  

James 

  

     

 James, consider how totally judgmental you are being here! The implication in the woman's message is that there isn't really a great deal of "mental illness" going on here except with the girl's father and his absolute inability to deal with the daughter! I can assure you it could not be an easy thing for a mother to leave-the-home under circumstances such as these. You're basically telling her she's a rotten, selfish mother and I think you are reacting too harshly.
 
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