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Created on : Friday, November 04, 2005, 02:48:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/09/05) Meet the "Boomerang Generation" -- children who attend college and then move back in with their parents after leaving the nest, sometimes multiple times. -- you can put a period at nest and delete sometimes multiple times.  Then, Kirsten, 36, has a great education but has depended on her family to take care of her for the last 18 years, and she's still living at home with her parents.  -- change to: Then, Kirsten, 36, has a great education but has depended on her family for the last 18 years, and she's still living at home with her folks.  Share your thoughts.

 

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November 10, 2005, 10:39 am PST

I found this link for you...

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Most of what I have read about Asperger's was concerning children.  My seven-year-old's developmental pediatrician  suspected  that he might have it because he started reading at 2 1/2 and was obsessed with letters as a baby and the "little professor" description kind of fit and he had some motor delays.  But after she talked to him she said he did not have it because he is extremely social.  In fact I would even call him socially gifted because he picks up on things I don't notice about people and I think this is one of the reasons he is a good actor in our local musical theater.     We had to fill out information about family members at the developmental pediatrician's office and she thinks my son's 31-year-old half brother might have this but I couldn't find much info about adults with Asperger's.    I was wondering if it might have something to do with his problems keeping a job and being content to live with other people and not wanting to do anything but stay on his computer.  He also doesn't seem to care about personal hygiene and my husband has to remind him to take a shower.    My stepson is so extremely smart that I have trouble understanding how he could forget to do very basic things like picking up coffee cups in his room that have been left there for days.   The computer just seems to be the most important thing in his life.      

  

He is working now making very good money but I worry that when he moves out there won't be anyone to remind him to keep himself clean and take care of himself.    But he just can't stay with us much longer.     

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=aspergers_adult 

  

  

It is about aspergers in adults hope it helps.  I went to google.com and typed in aspergers syndrome adults. 

  

Good luck 

  

Tammy 

 

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November 10, 2005, 11:16 am PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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 I watched part of the Dr. Phil show the other day (wanted to see the whole thing, but the station pre-emptied part of it for the bombing in the middle east), and I must say that I don't like being called a moocher just because I am an adult and living with my parents.  As peepinbud said today isn't the same as it was 20, even 10 years ago.  I will relate my story.  I graduated from highschool in 1997 and went straight to university.  Received all A's and graduated with honors in 2001.  I then went on to vet school, which I just graduated from this past June.  I have absolutely no money (8 years of school with not working can do that to you) so I had to move back into my parent's home (not that I wanted to).
It has been 7 months now and I still haven't found a job (due to being a new grad and having no experience as well as living in a very competitive area).  So I am right now 27 years old and having to rely on my parents for everything since I don't even have 10 bucks in my bank account.
If giving the choice right now, I would leave, but I can't until I get a job and start making some money.

And before anybody says just to get any job, it doesn't really work that way.  My education makes it impossible for me to get hired anywhere except for what I trained for.  Places don't want somebody that will continue to look for work, but rather somebody that will stick around for years.

So before you make judegments on some people, maybe you should look into the circumstances they have in their life.  Yes, some people have it easy and find a high paying job right away, but not everyone is that lucky, especially in this day and age, when there are more workers than ever.

What we are talking about is simply making the decision to be independent. You either do it or you don't.  When I graduated from law school, I can assure you that I didn't have any money to live on (in fact I was in debt) but I decided to be independent .  I applied everywhere and took the best  job I could find.  It wasn't what I wanted to work at, it wasn't with the kinds of people I wanted to work with and it wasn't in the place I wanted to work.  I moved to the right place for me about 3 years later. 

  

If you received straight A's and graduated, you should be able to get a job.  Have you applied to vet practices in locales that are not highly competitive?  I know here in rural Alberta you would be in demand.   

 

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November 10, 2005, 11:38 am PST

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 I watched part of the Dr. Phil show the other day (wanted to see the whole thing, but the station pre-emptied part of it for the bombing in the middle east), and I must say that I don't like being called a moocher just because I am an adult and living with my parents.  As peepinbud said today isn't the same as it was 20, even 10 years ago.  I will relate my story.  I graduated from highschool in 1997 and went straight to university.  Received all A's and graduated with honors in 2001.  I then went on to vet school, which I just graduated from this past June.  I have absolutely no money (8 years of school with not working can do that to you) so I had to move back into my parent's home (not that I wanted to).
It has been 7 months now and I still haven't found a job (due to being a new grad and having no experience as well as living in a very competitive area).  So I am right now 27 years old and having to rely on my parents for everything since I don't even have 10 bucks in my bank account.
If giving the choice right now, I would leave, but I can't until I get a job and start making some money.

And before anybody says just to get any job, it doesn't really work that way.  My education makes it impossible for me to get hired anywhere except for what I trained for.  Places don't want somebody that will continue to look for work, but rather somebody that will stick around for years.

So before you make judegments on some people, maybe you should look into the circumstances they have in their life.  Yes, some people have it easy and find a high paying job right away, but not everyone is that lucky, especially in this day and age, when there are more workers than ever.

How did you get through 8 years of college without working? Even if you had a full ride scholarship because of your academics, what did you do for spending money?  My oldest is a senior in college and works 20 hours a week for her spending money, and she's footing the bill (loans and money from her summer job) for the small portion of her tuition that isn't covered by scholarships and gift aid.  She's also on the dean's list and does practicum in her field 2 days a week.  8 years of college without working?  That's a totally foreign concept at our house. Both my kids have worked since they were 13 or 14. 

  

Are you telling me that you're 26, owner of an advanced degree, being totally supported by your parents, and you're not even working at a convenience store or sacking groceries??  When I got out of law school I couldn't find a job in the field for several months either, so I signed up with a temporary service and did all kinds of office work -- typing, switchboard, whatever paid the rent -- while my JD sat at home gathering dust.  That's how I took care of the "not even 10 bucks in my bank account" problem.  I then took the first job I was offered in my field, which was part-time and paid only slightly better than unemployment compensation.  But it opened doors for me and eventually led to the job I have today and have had for the last 17 years. 

  

If the area you live in is so competitive with respect to finding a job, why not look  -- notice I didn't say "move" -- somewhere else?   First you go look, then you find a job, THEN you move.  That's what I did 32 years ago, and yes, it does still work that way if you really don't want to live with your parents..   

  

If you don't want to be called a moocher, quit whining, go out and get a job of some kind, and support yourself.  You're 26 years old, for heaven's sake.  How are you going to explain this to your kids (if you ever do move out and move on, that is)?? 

  

  

 

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November 10, 2005, 11:51 am PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

JudyBlue, you go, girl!!  Too many of the posts I've read on here are from people who are chronologically adults but haven't outgrown than adolescent "I am the sun, the center of the universe" mindset that tells them they deserve only the best and if they can get someone else to provide it, so much the better.   

  

I had to make a conscious decision to move out of my parents' house when I was 22 and take the concrete steps I've described in earlier posts.    Inertia IS a powerful force and will always provide you with reasons not to get off the gravy train.  My parents didn't push me out but they certainly didn't discourage me when I said I was going! And when I did move out, they didn't throw money at me -- after all, I had been working full time for almost 2 years and they expected me to be responsible for my own rent and utility deposits, etc.  They expected me to live on what I earned at my new job and to figure out for myself how to do that.  In so doing, they did me much bigger favors that living at home even paying a teensy bit of "rent"  would have done for me.   

 
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November 10, 2005, 12:08 pm PST

25 yr old Mental illnesS

I am a step parent to a 25 yr old, who has juveinile diabetes he has been in trouble with the law and has event spent 18 months in prison and has a mental Illness. he has lived with us(his mom) for the last yr. in that time he has time to see many girl friends and had a job for about a month until he had to much fun one night and could not function to go to work, ans since he had been undependable they laid him off and since has not attempted to get another job, and mooches off us, I speak to my wife that he needs to move out but she does not do anything, He does have a mean and angry side that we are both afraid of.  he has allot of time to spend with friends that will drive him around but not work for pay bills, clean house and he is a slob.  what is a step dad to do?? 

 
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November 10, 2005, 12:14 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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This sounds like your the 2nd generation of spoiled!  NO ONE EVER had a used car!  You and your significant other can afford $2K a month house payment?  Let me tell you from 55 yrs of experience from the real world!  Most of the boomers (your parents age) were glad to have a nice USED car to drive until we got a little established in the world.  New cars then were $2K, houses 2 story were around $65K , groceries $35 a week!  Our parents were not enablers like the parents of today.  We had to get it like they did, work hard for it.   

  

But ok, so you can afford $2K a month for a home.  Have you thought WHAT IF one of you get disabled?  Do you know how that affects your monthly income?  WHAT if you have a child that needs constant care cause of an illness?  What if the cost of living skyrockets?  You do seem to have a saving mind, which is good.  Why not use it to your advantage.  Get a good used car that MIGHT cost you $220 a month, and put that EXTRA $200 that it would cost you for a new car in the bank for UNEXPECTED expenses?  And you should be directed, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD REALTOR (I am a retired realtor) that you might be able to afford $2k a month....but why not something that is $1K a month or less ($1k a month even frightens me) and there for have money back for the UNEXPECTED that comes with home ownership, new roof needed, furnance going out. 

  

Young people today want it all NOW!  The average Baby Boomer had to work 20 yrs to get IT ALL.  I am 55 yrs old and just now have my home and 2 new cars paid for!  Took me 25 yrs.  I am comfortable, can help my family when they need it , and didn't overextend myself to do it!  Put your expectations lower and you won't face the realization of respossessions.  FOOTNOTE:  Financial strain always puts stain on relationships!  And if you don't heed some of the advise given you, then bless you with what you will be dealing with with your children!      

 I don't think my parents are the boomer generation only being 39 and 41.. maybe I'm wrong? Not sure how far back that generation goes.  But the 2K house payment was a top payment figure.. the average new house in this area goes for about 250K,. a little more if on the river banks..I dont really think about getting disabled too much, I suppose it should be something I figure into my life ahead of me.  I do have some of the best insurance around, but I know even that runs out after a while..  As I said before, I have friends that are on thier own, with brand new cars, not having any extra money for saving or spending.  I am grateful that my parents have allowed me to stay at home until I get my vehicles paid off, again by spring, and then be able to move out... but I wouldn't call myself a "moocher"
 

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November 10, 2005, 12:19 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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I am a step parent to a 25 yr old, who has juveinile diabetes he has been in trouble with the law and has event spent 18 months in prison and has a mental Illness. he has lived with us(his mom) for the last yr. in that time he has time to see many girl friends and had a job for about a month until he had to much fun one night and could not function to go to work, ans since he had been undependable they laid him off and since has not attempted to get another job, and mooches off us, I speak to my wife that he needs to move out but she does not do anything, He does have a mean and angry side that we are both afraid of.  he has allot of time to spend with friends that will drive him around but not work for pay bills, clean house and he is a slob.  what is a step dad to do?? 

Wayne, I don't know where you live but if your stepson has mental and physical problems there are services out there available to him.  Give him a deadline -- he has "X" amount of time to get into counseling, get a job, and  find a place of his own, in that order.  At the end of that amount of time, out he goes, no exceptions.  It would be nice if your wife would go along with this but if she won't, she must not keep you from enforcing it.   

  

It may require you & your wife to get counseling as well, to find out why you're "owned" by a 25-year-old ex-con "with a mean and angry side [you]'re both afraid of."  If you're afraid of him , why live with him? 

 
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November 10, 2005, 12:52 pm PST

Your not a moocher in my book

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Do you have any idea how many decades that will take?  (It doesn't pay THAT decently.  I mean "decently" in that I can pay my rent, car insurance, gas, and basic personal expenses without going into debt, which is what was happening at my last job.)  A "good starting position" is only that--I'm very glad to have it but it's still grunt work and it pays as such. 

  

I am taking part-time courses.  I'm taking online courses so they won't interfere with my job, which does not allow for a flexible schedule.  They do, however, require a high-speed internet connection, which is one of the things that most of the posts on here would consider a luxury (I consider it a luxury, too, except that I can't take the classes without it.  It's a master's program and the classes are not offered on a local campus.  There is nothing comparable in my area or I'd be doing that instead).  I have absolutely no plans to stop working or change jobs; in fact, the job and the school are in the same field and complement one another, except I need the schooling to make any real progress beyond office girl. 

  

I'm not out partying and spending my money on clothes (ha ha--my parents wish I would go out more).  I don't have children.  I'm not footing the bill for a loser boyfriend.  I'm not sitting on my butt while my mother washes my socks and scrubs my soap-scum out of the bath-tub.  I pay $650 a month room and board, which is more than any other amounts I've seen posted here, and have never been late.  I clean up after myself and do any chores, errands, etc. that I'm asked.  They can borrow my car any time they need a station wagon.  Rent here is not exorbitant but it is a big city and there is a lot of competition from low-income renters, and the apartments I can afford are not in safe neighborhoods.  I don't know anyone here to take on as a roommate, and, as a single woman, I would be very hesitant to live with somebody that I didn't know well.  Believe me, I could stand to be a little less cozy, but as it is, I need a little slack financially and my parents need somebody who can help with the physical work that my mother cannot do (she cannot lift or grasp well and she cannot be in the sun, so I do a lot of housework and help Dad with the yard). 

If you pay rent, clean up after yourself, do any chores or errands you are asked to do and don't create chaos in the home you are not a moocher.  The $650 covers food and utilities.  The moochers are the ones who don't pay rent.  Expect their family to provide them with food and a car and spending money because they "can't" find the right job so they sit home on their behinds all day and expect the world to revolve around them.  Or the ones who are too busy spending what money they have on toys or entertainment.

All adult children that move back in with their parents aren't moochers.  Only the ones that expect a free ride.  The fact that your parents need help because of your mother's condition and you are more than willing to help makes you an asset to the household, not a liability.
 
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November 10, 2005, 1:45 pm PST

25 yr old moved back in

Our 25 yr old son moved back home in March, after living away from home for three years. After he graduated from high school, he attended four colleges in two states in five years, and didn't manage to graduate from college. To make a long story short, after paying for his college for all those years, we gave him enough money in January 2005 for him to complete his degree.  He had been working for the past 9 months, and was trying to establish residency out of state, and was going to finiish the following fall semester.  We told him we were not going to pay for anymore college (five years more than enough).  Rather than save the money, he spent it.  So, in March, he broke up with his girlfriend called us and asked if he could come home.  Of course, we said yes, he quit his job and moved back home.  We had just built and moved into a new home. thinking that our two children were now out of the house (we have a 20 yr old daughter who is in college).  

  

 Our son is very intelligent and has ADHD. He doesn't understand why we won't pay for any more college education.  He states that he is not going to pay for it himself.  We live in a small town and good jobs with benefits are scarce.  He got a job at a dept store, but soon quit it and got into construction.  He gets paid cash and on an irregular basis.  He spends his money as quick as he gets it and saves none.  I asked him to bring me the money he received and let me budget for him.  He has agreed to do so, but he says he spends $30 per day on food.  So far, we have not asked him to pay toward expenses, but he has been contributing for food and he does tithe 10% to the church.  He likes living beyond his means, and we know we are guilty of enabling him.  

  

Of course, he wants to stay home, he works all day, comes home, goes to his room and either watches TV or plays X-box.  I am helping hiim save some money out of his pay.  We have discussed loaning him money to buy a reasonably priced house with interest and his response is that he didn't think that family should charge interest.  I think he expects us to buy him a place to live. I have asked him what his plans are and he want s to stay at home and be a family.  I think that is just an excuse, because he goes out with his buddies and we hardly see him.  He doesn't help around the house unless I ask him.  When I ask him to clean his bathroom and his room, he cleans it , but not the way I would clean.  After watching the show Wednesday,  we are thinking about talking to him about finding a place for him to live, and pay for the rent for three months. 

  

Any suggestions aabout how to transition our son out of the house would be greatly appreciated.     

  

 
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November 10, 2005, 2:24 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

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How did you get through 8 years of college without working? Even if you had a full ride scholarship because of your academics, what did you do for spending money?  My oldest is a senior in college and works 20 hours a week for her spending money, and she's footing the bill (loans and money from her summer job) for the small portion of her tuition that isn't covered by scholarships and gift aid.  She's also on the dean's list and does practicum in her field 2 days a week.  8 years of college without working?  That's a totally foreign concept at our house. Both my kids have worked since they were 13 or 14. 

  

Are you telling me that you're 26, owner of an advanced degree, being totally supported by your parents, and you're not even working at a convenience store or sacking groceries??  When I got out of law school I couldn't find a job in the field for several months either, so I signed up with a temporary service and did all kinds of office work -- typing, switchboard, whatever paid the rent -- while my JD sat at home gathering dust.  That's how I took care of the "not even 10 bucks in my bank account" problem.  I then took the first job I was offered in my field, which was part-time and paid only slightly better than unemployment compensation.  But it opened doors for me and eventually led to the job I have today and have had for the last 17 years. 

  

If the area you live in is so competitive with respect to finding a job, why not look  -- notice I didn't say "move" -- somewhere else?   First you go look, then you find a job, THEN you move.  That's what I did 32 years ago, and yes, it does still work that way if you really don't want to live with your parents..   

  

If you don't want to be called a moocher, quit whining, go out and get a job of some kind, and support yourself.  You're 26 years old, for heaven's sake.  How are you going to explain this to your kids (if you ever do move out and move on, that is)?? 

  

  

 Vet school is difficult. It is the same as med school. I have a SIL who tried to work during med school and had to drop out three times. It doesnt work. If this person has dedicated this many years to this education and resources, then they should not throw it all away to work at a fast food restaurant. I know people who have HIDDEN their degrees to get fast food work or work down at the local factory. You are put in that position.

I worked all the grunt jobs, cleaning toilets, fast food, and they didnt do one thing but make me POORER and dig my hole deeper into ruined health. I worked from the time I was 10 [newspaper route]......but all I learned was a future of low paying grunt work. And I did some of these jobs after a teaching lay-off. If I had been given a little bit of time, and been able to collect my resources, and gotten help from relatives perhaps things would have been different. People can lose their health from poverty.

I dont agree that ANY job is worth it. Somehow a person with a veterinarian degree going to go sling hamburgers 40 hours a week for the next 5 years isnt the answer.

I do think they should consider moving, even if overseas if needbe. But then if theres no money thats difficult also.




 
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