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(Original Air Date: 11/21/06) Do you have a secret that burns inside of you and you've been hanging onto it since you were a child? Dr. Phil speaks with three sisters whose lives and relationships have been gravely affected by their own childhood secret. Cathy and Micki say their stepfather abused them as children and they want nothing to do with him. But their half-sister, Hollie, says her father has changed and it's time they forgive and forget. Cathy and Micki speak out about what really happened to them as children and why Hollie needs to be concerned. Then, a message from their stepfather has Cathy and Micki outraged. Can these divided women heal their painful pasts and come together as sisters? Talk about the show here.


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June 16, 2006, 6:42 pm PDT

06/16 Childhood Secrets

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i dont want to make a big thing out of this i just want to get over it.  

You know what?  Making a 'big thing' out of it will help you get over it.  The people who don't talk about the abuse, who pretend it never happened, suffer much much more than those who holler "STOP!" and get help immediately.  Please do that. 

  

if i tell someone i dont know if i will beable to see my family. 

If you want to see them, you will always be able to..it's just that your visits will have to be supervised by a responsible adult. 

I feel the same way you do, i havent told anyone about it who would do anything about it because, like i said in my other posting, i dont want a big case made of it, plus i dont want to be treated differently by my family. What i mean is, i know i was a victim but, i dont want to be treated like one. Just letting you know that theres someone out there that feels the same. Its not going on anymore like you mentioned though, if it still was i would definitly find a way out at any means, dont let it affect your life anymore.
 
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June 16, 2006, 6:46 pm PDT

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hollie has done nothing wrong, your using a terrible situation she has no controll over, she didnt molest any one you have to remember this is her father involved here, she only had hear say untill the dr phil show, dont take any blame away from the step dad he deserves all of it you relly should be ashamed of your words in your post beacouse your not giving anything good to the victims at all, no hollie has done nothing wrong, and her child should not be removed from her your very wrong to even say that!!!!!
I agree with the other reply there, the mother on the show cannot be blamed and really shouldnt. Of course she shouldnt leave her daughter with her father after hearing all of those stories about him true or not, because like dr.phil said on the show, what if shes wrong. But obviously she sees her father much differently than the other two, she does not see that side of him, because he never exposed her to it, therefore i dont think she should be called a bad mother when obviously shes been fooled by her father.
 
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June 16, 2006, 8:43 pm PDT

06/16 Childhood Secrets

When i was in elemantary school the school janitor would fallow my and my friend into the girls bathroom. While we were in there he would take turns rapeing us.  One day one of the other girls exposed  him and a letter was sent home to all parents i showed my mother the letter and he asked me if anyone had ever tried to do anything i didn't like and i broke down in tears. i testifyed against him but i still couldn't cope. At the age of 14 i became suicidal and started cutting myself my parents brought me to a phsyciatrist and i was told i had PTSD from that among many other things. I am now 15 years old and finally doing better i haven't cut myself in over 6 months. I'm living proof that talking really does help.
 
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June 16, 2006, 10:00 pm PDT

My mother

Thank you for today's episode.  I learned when I was 29 that my mother had been abused by her father and brothers as a child.  She had hidden this from my brother's and I for several years and I think from herself in denial.  When she had an anxity attack and the memories flooded back she turned to my father and her siblings for help.  Her siblings (all six of them) turned her away as they remained in denial and still due. My mother passed away two years ago suddenly without knowing forgiveness in her heart, nor love and support from her siblings.  They chose to side with a dead father over admitting the truth about their childhood.  One of my cousins called shortly after my mother's death with fear that her brother was molesting her son.  This is proof that generations suffer from this type of abuse, and acknowledgement has to be there for healing and stopping the cycle.  My oldest brother recently admitted to me that he had been abused by one of my uncles as well.  As I watch our society suffer from these sexual crimes in the Catholic Church and beyond I fear for our future. 

  

I feel for all of you who have seen similar pain in your life.  My hope is that when you cry out for help you recieve it from those you love. 

 
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June 16, 2006, 10:08 pm PDT

My Secret

I am one of 5 girls. 4 of us were molested by my father and have memories of him possibly killing someone.. we feel that possibly hypnosis is the only way to find out. We are scared to death of what we may find inside our minds. We all have our horrible memories now.. We all went through periods of denial, feeling sorry for him...and protecting him. It has torn us all apart and destroyed our relationship with each other. A couple of us have been diagnosed with some type of personality disorder now due to our past. I have been diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder and have periods of dissociation that last up to 30 minutes. I feel as if I am living in this clear plastic bubble that someone has smeared vaseline all over...the world is a blur to me.. I don't feel, or the world doesn't feel me. Or see me. Or am I even here.  

   

   

These men who do these things have a way of getting mind control over you. The Mom in this story will (if she hasn't already) realize that she CANNOT leave her child with this man. It will NEVER be safe.  

   

I truly began to think my father was healed until this last summer when he was caught online with a 13 yr old girl. I knew then he was not safe and he needs to be in jail. There was no specific plans to meet when the FBI checked his hard drive..so there was nothing to charge him with, which disgusted me.  

   

Well, anyway...I know the stupid freak probably watched the show and is getting all happy coming here and reading about others tragedies..So here is a letter to you father...  

   

To you who took away my sanity, my childhood, my self-esteem, my self-worth
To you who took away my trust in myself and everyone around me.
To you who have helped me cry myself to sleep endless nights.
To you who have made it so that I don't even know who I am anymore.  

I hate you.  

To you who made me afraid of the dark
and gave me irrational fears.
To you who gave me the power to look in the mirror and see my face drastically change into something evil.
To you who took away all emotional strength I could have otherwise had.
To you who makes this world such a strange place for me to be in  

I hate you  

To you who has caused me to lose children, relationships and friends due to insecurities placed on me, by you
To you who made me feel so worthless and small and afraid
To you who put this sadness and rage into me
To you who has not an ounce of remorse  

I hate you  

Your Child, Lorrie  

 
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June 16, 2006, 10:11 pm PDT

How can

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Hi, 

No you were not wrong...I am proud of you for speaking up, I am sorry that your father did not take responsibilty, my father didn't  either and I certainly understand the guilty feeling and still loving him. 

You need healing..... 

  

I want to share my story and to let you know that there is hope and you don't have to feel guilty for the rest of your life. 

  

I am a survivor of childhood abuse, as an adult right before the  statue of limitations ended for me, I was able to take one of my abusers to court. He pleaded guilty and got ten years...9 years suspended and served one year and got out early for good behavior and then drove by my house and waved to let me know he was out.  

The effects of the abuse were many and four years ago I started a journey to healing...  

It has been very helpful and still on it.  

The key to healing...  

The truth is the road to healing...  

I am learning who I am...  

Putting the blame where it belongs...  

Understanding that I am worthy and am somebody...  

Living my life today by making choices that are positive and enrich my life....  

Healing means facing the truth of what happened and giving myself freedom from what others did to me.  

Facing my struggles and issues and looking for the resources to help myself....  

Understanding that nobody can help me unless I am willing to help myself....  

Wanting to heal is a big one, we hurt and are so afraid to face it that we walk life in pain but when we decide to face our truth, it is amazing what we find out...  

Healing means that I cannot blame everything that is wrong in my life on my past...I am an adult now and need to take responsibility for who I am, I need to make changes, I need to be a survivor and not a victim.  

I have a lot of work ahead of me but feel encouraged that I made the choice to begin the process of healing because if not still today I would be in the same pain, misery and my abusers smiles somewhere as they have moved on in life and it doesn't matter to them. Why should they be happy and me be miserable?  

Taking care of myself has made me a much healthier person, my struggles are many but feel hope that it does get even better then it is because I have stood up for myself and am caring for myself as a person and not a nobody...I am somebody and so are you...all of you that are out there that have been abused....  

I encourage people to start the journey of healing....  

There are resources everywhere, depends on what you need most, but you know that.  

Al I needed is to want to do it and a good Psychologist that could walk me through it and so I continue....  

Hang in there...been there and am there....there is hope even at our darkest moments.  

Breaking the silence will give you life again...  

Take care and know that there is hope....  

  

  

You break the silence...when no one really listens
 
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June 16, 2006, 11:05 pm PDT

Keep talking all you need to and want to

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When i was in elemantary school the school janitor would fallow my and my friend into the girls bathroom. While we were in there he would take turns rapeing us.  One day one of the other girls exposed  him and a letter was sent home to all parents i showed my mother the letter and he asked me if anyone had ever tried to do anything i didn't like and i broke down in tears. i testifyed against him but i still couldn't cope. At the age of 14 i became suicidal and started cutting myself my parents brought me to a phsyciatrist and i was told i had PTSD from that among many other things. I am now 15 years old and finally doing better i haven't cut myself in over 6 months. I'm living proof that talking really does help.

Please take it from one who knows that talking is always is a good thing.  Don't stop doing that until you have talked it out or down to a point, if ever, that you are satisfied within yourself that it's ok to just talk about it when you really want to.  Don't let people put a time period on it or limitations.   

   

We're here for you and we're listening. Always.  

 
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June 17, 2006, 3:16 am PDT

Holly is one scarey Mommy!

It is one thing to forgive such wickedness as a father (stepfather, father figure or any adult!) sexually abusing a child, but for her to put her own child in harms way is just as insane as a pervert doing perverted things with underage, children or unwilling adults!  She is a pervert's inabler!   I agree with what Dr. Phil clearly said, even under the best conditions, where a willing Child Molester gets long term, GOOD therapy, the chance of the child molester repeating this behavior is nearly 100%.  And from the brief comments the show aired from the pervert/father, he drastically mimimized, and neutralized, and negated the harm that he did to children by molesting them!  is she really in such deep denial about the DANGER she puts her own child in by letting her perverted father EVER be unsupervised with any child!  Maybe by allowing her perverted dad be alone with her child this is her MESSED UP way of showing her dad she trusts him and believes in him!  I don't know!!! But what ever the reason, the results are the SAME!  She is putting a child in harms way every time she leaves the two of them alone!   I'm glad the child's 2 aunts speak up and out and brought her to the Dr. Phil show so she can hopefully learn how dangerous her behavior is!  Her thinking is completly screwed up!   Holly, wake up!  The Big BAD Wolf is after your little girl!   Holly, you may WANT your daddy to be a safe, healthy, changed Dad/Grandpa, but you wanting it will not make it happen!    Pedifiles are sick human beings!  They are con artists that talk a good talk!  They are awesome guilt trippers, and the promise promise promise!  and they LIE LIE LIE!  When their lips are moving they are Lieing, and PLANNING the next opportunity to con adults and victimize children.  Mommies like you make it easy for them!  You buy into their lies.     

    I believe you really believed you were not putting your daughter in harm's way!  I know how believable a Pedifile can be.  I believe you believed him!  But he is a sick man, not worthy of your trust, and definatly not safe to be alone with a child, ever, not even when a responsible adult is in the VERY next room!  It is difficult to believe how trusting, and believable a Pedifile can and does come across!  You got conned by a dangerous con artist!  I believe you wanted what all woman of abusive fathers want:  for the abusive dad to become kind, and safe, and a loving, trustworthy part of the family, again!   But wanting it badly won't make it happen!  Talk to a good Therapist who is an expert on this topic, and who knows each of the people involved well, but it is a possibility that the best case scenerio could possibly be would be for your dad to tell you that he wants to not be tempted to molest a child any more, but may not trust himself.  Maybe he could reach a point (IF this does in fact apply to the situation, that is!) that he is able to tell you and maybe the other 2 step sisters that he wants to be in his daughters lives and their children's lives, but knows the wisest, safest way is for there to always be responsible adults around at all times aware of his history.  Accept reality and his realistic limitations.  There is an expression, "If you hang around the Barber Shop long enough, You're GOING to get a hair cut!"  To leave him alone with a child isn't doing your dad any favor's either.  If the Pedifile has a sence of right and wrong, and a sence of guilt when he does wrong things, they tend to feel guilty for being a Pedifile!  When they are put in the line of temptation, and re-offend a child, they feel guilty, and WANT to stop.  But being put in a situation where the temptation is SO great, and there is privacy, and free access to their 'drug of choice' their hopes to be decent and appropriate with a child is often overwhelmed by the impulsiveness to repeat Pedifilia.   Even if a Pedifile'white knuckles it' and manages to be alone with a child with out offending that time, it is likely that he (or she) is thinking about Inappropriate behavior with a child, and planning the next event.   Don't try to show your respect and loyality to your daddy by handing your child over as prey to the Wolf!   Misplaced loyality and trust isn't healthy for any one.   It is the Nature of a Child Molester to Molest Children! 

    There are different degrees of Co-Dependency.  When I first learned what Co-Dependency was, and realized that things I'd done, with a good heart attitude, with the best, loving, helpful intentions, were really harmful Co-Dependant behaviors, I was shocked and stunned!  I felt tricked.  I honestly had believed I'd been doing healthy, kind things for someone I loved.  When I learned that what I had been doing was enabeling distructive, harmful behaviors to get worse I felt tricked and betrayed and so STUPID!   BUT, at the time I did not know I was doing harm, and not good!  Now I know, and I can DO better, now that I KNOW better.   Sometimes lessons sting! 

    I wish you, and your entire family nothing but the best.  All of you will be in my prayers, and there is plenty of room in my life for prayers from you, too!   I believe the show ended on an up beat, showing that all 3 girls better understood one another.  I believe all 3 sisters love one another, dearly, and want the best for one another.  I'm glad arrangements were made for the 3 of them to stay in town and visit, and to get home town counseling for every body!   I believe every body can use counseling from time to time in our lives.   This was a very powerful show!  Thank you Dr. Phil!   And Holly, thanks for being brave enough to be on the show and hearing out what was said!  I believe in you, Holly!   I wish you and yours the best life has to offer!   What a diffrence a day makes! 

 
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June 17, 2006, 3:58 am PDT

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 Please know that, you were NOT WRONG.  You trusted him and he Violated YOU and YOUR TRUST.  I know how you feel.  My mother's husband, who is still her husband, abused me for about 2 and a half  to three years(16-19 yrs old).  My mother though that I seduced him, and that I wanted him to do this to me.  How Disgustingly Sick!!!  Even though she has blamed me for all of that, I know in my heart that it is not My Fault.  I love my mother and her husband, but know that they were and are very wrong.  It's been four and a half years since then, I'm 23yrs old and still messed up over it, and can only imagine how difficult it has been for You.  I am so Sorry that you had to go through such a traumatic event(s).  I hope I have helped in some way, and that you can forgive yourself, and know that you did nothing wrong, except love your "father." In my opinion, he did not behave like a father should, and you shouldn't feel that you owe him anything, even your love.  You are Amazing, Exsquisite, Unique and Beautiful.  Bask in that, and all of your triumphs, even some failures.   They help us to become whole women.  It's been my pleasure, and honor to write to you.

I agree with the prevous message!  It was NOT your fault, and I regret that your mom didn't stand by your side!  You are a strong woman, capable of moving thru this, although it won't ever be forgotten.  You were violated by your trusted father, and again when your mom didn't back you up!  But the GOOD news is, you KNEW you did nothing wrong.  You did not buy into their sickness, and trade your correct opinion for messed up ones.  In your gut you KNEW wrong was wrong,  and you stuck up for yourself!   I was in a simular situation at a younger age.  My mom and all 3 of my siblings knew what happened, yet she denied it.  No support from her!  

   Of course you love both your parents, but feel betrayed by them.  You were betrayed!  But you did not betray yourself!  God has a way of putting other people in our lives that are parent-like to us, when our own parents go sour!  Seek out people that make you laugh, and feel good about yourself!  You can do it!  You've already proven that!  Have a great day!  And the one after that, and the one after that!   You don't have to just survive abuse, you can THRIVE!  You have the right stuff!  

     Keep looking for support and answers in the right place.  Example: the Dr. Phil show, and bulliton boards are a far cry healthier than the bottom of a bottle, or crying on the shoulder of some creepy guy who'd see you as vulnerable and an easy mark!  Stay strong, and remember what you are made of and you will seek those out that are healthy and supportive of you!  That is what you diserve!   If the pain of the past continues to crop up, seek out a good counselor in your area.  See if your area has a Victim's Center.  Many times it is free, or at least a sliding scale.  Being happy is the very best revenge! 

 
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June 17, 2006, 4:36 am PDT

Paranoid?

Are you really paranoid, or did your family carefully teach you that you could not count on them to back you when you really needed it?    You know what really did and didn't happen.  Don't let others talk you ought of believing what really did happen.  Don't be swayed to trade real memories for their opinions of what did or didn't happen in your life.  Are you calling yourself paranoid, or are you repeating their words?   Sometimes people don't want the truth to be seen as truth.   They try to convince others, including the victim, that the victim is  paranoid, NOT honest.  Victimizers often create a  false reputation of dishonesty  for the victim,  or claim the victim is paranoid.  This way he not only escapes being seen as a victimizer, but attempts to pull off being seen as the REAL victim of a Paranoid person's 'stories'!   I'm not saying it very well.  Criminals are great at avoiding accountablity, and placing blame on innocent people.   Calling someone Paranoid can be a convienent smoke screen, to protect a victimizer, and maybe even allow him/her to be seen as the victim, rather than the victimizer.   They can be very well spoken and convencing.  Don't buy into it.   

       

 
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