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Created on : Friday, January 20, 2006, 03:14:14 pm
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Dr. Phil's guests are drowning in debt. It's tearing one marriage apart and causing a single mom to think about filing for bankruptcy. First, Deborah says she was raised with wealth and privilege, and she didn't expect to be flat broke and living in a trailer when she married Chris. Chris works 12 hours a day, but they can't even pay their monthly bills. Is Chris not demanding enough from himself, or is Deborah too demanding? Also, find out the secret Deborah's been keeping from her family back in England. Then, Kristine is a school teacher and single mom who  treats her friends to dinner and goes on expensive vacations even though she is over her head in debt -- to the tune of $137,000! Her sister, Stefanie, says she's tired of bailing Kristine out when she can't pay the bills, and thinks it's time for  an intervention. Plus, a financial expert shares her advice for avoiding bankruptcy. Talk about the show here.

 

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January 27, 2006, 2:45 pm PST

Gimme a Break

Can't make it on a teachers salary?  Gimme a break.  I was once a single mother of two, making $6 an hour and managed to survive.  The difference is, I didn't go out and spend money I didn't have.  Stop playing the victim, Christine, and grow up.  There is a big difference between "want" and "need".  You probably don't need half of the stuff you spend money on.  I'm sorry, but I can't sympathize with you.
 
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January 27, 2006, 2:48 pm PST

are you glad you filed - we are thinking about it

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You people are sitting here pointing fingers at each other and judging them.  

I've been there. We had to file bankruptcy about 3 years ago and I still feel guilty about that. I was raised to pay your bills and pay them on time. My husband and I are starting a program from Dave Ramsey and I wish I had known about this 3 years ago and it may have saved a lot of heartache and grief.  

What people don't realize is, you don't need the Credit Cards, the best thing you can do is cut every one of them up. Even the people who use them and pay them off every month, spend 18% more than if they paid cash for things. Why are we allowing Credit Card companies to suck us in!!! I'm not saying they are the crooks, but they are making it hard for people to turn down their offers.  

I too have read Dave Ramsey's book.  We have a HUGE amount of credit cards and my husband has some mental problems that has caused a numerous amounts of medical bills too.  Do you think its worth it to file bankruptcy?  I believe in paying your bills, but when they amount to $75,000 and your health is on the line?  Any thoughts....
 
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January 27, 2006, 2:50 pm PST

Thought on the couple

I have lots of thoughts on the first couple. I was fully prepared not to like the wife, but she grew on me. My husband and I are also having severe financial problems due to him being laid off after moving across the country to take his "dream job" - it has been a nightmare. But we are working through it, and I found the couple to be interesting. How in the world did they meet? They seem like polar opposites.

I can understand how the wife would be taken aback at her situation, especially if she was born and raised in wealth. If you've never seen a trailer and then find yourself living in a trailer park, it is probably shocking. And honestly, it did not look like the nicest trailer park. I don't see why a nice little 1-bedroom apartment would not do. It would make her feel more comfortable and could be cheaper than the trailer. That would take care of the "I can't believe I live in a trailer" issue. But I digress....

Could she perhaps find a cash-paying job? Maybe there's a family in the trailer park who could use a baby-sitter or an elderly person who needs someone to run errands for them. I can't imagine it would be illegal for her to accept a cash-only type job like that.

I wish Dr. Phil had gone into why the husband never turned in his police application. That seems to be pretty big to me. The husband did not talk much and I have a feeling that he has NO self esteem and is used to being treated poorly. If my in-laws ever locked me out of the house, I would be devastated. However, if he really has no drive or ambition, then that would be hard to live with and married to forever. I think there is much more to the story that we saw.  

 
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January 27, 2006, 3:45 pm PST

A life lesson from long ago I unfortunately ignored more than not

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I just wrote a super long email to Dr. Phil on this very subject.....I can't wait to see the show on Friday....What I would love to know is how in the hell, can credit card companies get away with raising your rates (I could care less that their reply would be..."It's in the agreement")  to astronomical rates (29%)  across the board because you were late with one payment, and are getting close to max on your credit limit....I knew what I was doing at the time, and could afford it.  What I didn't expect, and I know, it's my fault....to a point, is that they would raise my rates to nearly 30%....It's like they want me to file Bankruptcy.... 

  

I have had $80,000 in credit card debt for almost 4 years, paying $1,800.  a month in interest and getting nowhere on the principal....I simply can't pay anymore, and even when I have paid the debt down, they lower my credit limit, keeping me in a situation where my credit limit is almost 100% maxed....They're crooks, scum, and something needs to be done about them.   

  

Man I can't wait to see this show on Friday......Hammer44 

  

Regarding money, possessions in particular, time, power, ego, The more space, territory, leniency, accolade, latitude, whatever you are allowed, you will invariably fill.   

  

Ergo, if you pay off a credit card and you KNOW you have "x" amount of credit, the majority of people will without question strive to fill that credit availability or if it's time, carry a project time allotment to the max (perhaps even procrastinate to the deadline), if it's power, exude authority when it isn't necessary or appropriate, make decisions without much thought because one can. 

  

It takes discipline of spirit and sometimes the simple act of waiting 24 hours until the purchase, decision or action should be made and a lot of the time, there is a world of difference in what is necessary and what is compulsive behavior. 

  

I was 11 when my uncle gave me that advice and it took a long time for it to settle into my spirit and affect my life to it's full implication. Not that it works all the time, but every now and again, his words ring in my heart and I make the attempt to heed them. 

  

Occasionally, it has saved me from major mistakes.  Perhaps if more of us practiced this principle, we wouldn't be faced with so very many crises and I for one am guilty of lots and lots of them. I speak mainly to myself. 

  

  

  

 

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January 27, 2006, 3:47 pm PST

Irresponsible spending is the exception, not the rule

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Yes, I agree that sometimes people have legitimate reasons for using their cards, such as medical bills.  However, I do suspect that these people are the exception rather than the rule.  I am one of the smart ones who only has a $20 credit card debt (which I plan on paying of on Monday), and I acutally have money saved up that I invest regularly. 

  

I believe in only spending what money I have, so if I don't have the money I can't afford it.  Quite simple really.  I can sleep well at night knowing that I don't owe anything to anyone.  I do however believe in "good debt" such as a house loan, as the value of the asset increases in time and will be worth more than the debt itself.  I am saving to buy an investment property so that I can put that into practice. 

Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren, a periodic guest on Dr. Phil has discussed the leading causes of bankruptcy several times on Dr. Phil.  She's quoted in this article:  http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/10/nelson2510.html 

  

"'The actual data on bankruptcy in America tells a different story. A team of social scientists and legal experts working on the Consumer Bankruptcy Project have examined thousands of recent bankruptcy cases and found that only a small fraction actually involve "irresponsible over-consumption." The leading causes of bankruptcy, they determined, are job loss, medical debt and divorce. Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren, who co-directed the study, says the bankruptcy bill "targets working families who are victims of circumstance and lets creditors squeeze them harder.'"  

  

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I've known dishonest people--friends of friends-- who have intentionally run up their credit cards immediately prior to becoming bankrupt, buying everything from computers to Australia/New Zealand vacations.  But the irresponsible over spenders are by far the exception. 

 
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January 27, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

Frustrated in New York

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my wife and I have been trying to get the free cd but to no avail.  Why cant we get to the site? Are they all out?  

  

Frustrated in Ohio 

Trying for hours, I can only hope I get through - I want to get this for my daughter BEFORE she graduates from college in May! 
 

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January 27, 2006, 4:23 pm PST

In my neck of the woods, $200K buys a starter condo.

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That people *want* things right away and are not willing to wait until they have the money for it, so they charge it.   

  

New couples living in 200K plus homes when a starter home would be sufficient....driving around brand new Lexus, Beamers, SUV's instead of a used practical vehicle.... 

  

I know there are people out there who do *have* to use their credit cards for necessities, and that's not who I'm referring too.  To the poster who listed his 80K debt, what did you spend 80K on?  People who buy luxury items like big screen TV's, other electronic gadgets, take elaborate vacations and so on..... 

  

I for one am glad the bankruptcy laws have been recently changed.  It was far to easy for people to run up their credit card debt, and then "woopsie, we can't afford to pay the bill yet we get to keep all our stuff" so we'll file bankruptcy and let the rest of the people pay for our debt.   

  

Are the credit card companies totally blameless?  No, the "free" offers and the "free" credit cards (without applying) have contributed....but the bottom line is, if you don't have don't spend it.  Yes there are emergencies, but is it really an "emergency" to buy that computer or big screen? You get the point..... 

  

My credit card debt right now is about $3K...and I am panicked over it.  I'm not blaming anyone else, had some major car repair and a new roof on my house that needed to be done, and because I had a credit card I was able to do it.  There is no one to *blame* for my debt but myself.  And for the record I drive a 1991 Plymouth with 185K and  I also have a 95 Chevy Truck with 101K miles.   

  

Its a "me" society we live in, where people (not all people I don't mean to lump everyone in together) want others to take responsibility for one's actions, instead of taking responsibility for one's own actions.  Blame the credit card companies, blame XYZ or whoever, instead of taking responsibility for yourselves.   

  

Again, for those whose debt was incurred because of medical, job layoffs, the above comments were directed at those posters.  I just personally *know* to many people who "buy" now because they *have* to have it, and then can't afford it and in their words "I'll just file for bankruptcy...." 

You can't find single family homes around here for that price.  The new bankruptcy law penalizes the folks who went bankrupt due to medical expenses & job layoffs, side-by-side with the irresponsible wild spenders.
 
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January 27, 2006, 4:27 pm PST

Money Disaters

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I too have read Dave Ramsey's book.  We have a HUGE amount of credit cards and my husband has some mental problems that has caused a numerous amounts of medical bills too.  Do you think its worth it to file bankruptcy?  I believe in paying your bills, but when they amount to $75,000 and your health is on the line?  Any thoughts....

Hi, mom5athome, 

  

I am gathering that you live in the states.  I live in Canada so I don't know the difference (if any) about the bankruptcy.  In my case I was in my early 20's, had a really good job, good money and then I got 2 credit cards.  That put me in trouble, I went and declared bankruptcy.  That was over 20 years ago.  Today I have no credit cards, if I can't afford it, I don't get it.  I also tried debt consilation.  I felt for myself  that the bankruptcy was better for me, and I have not looked back since.  Mind you not having credit cards sometimes can be a pain in the neck, but there can always be away around it.  My suggestion would be to look into both (if you have both in the states) and see what they tell you.  The bankruptcy will cost you something (it does in Canada)  but it would be alot less than what you owe.  Take your time and make the right choice for you and your family 

 
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January 27, 2006, 4:35 pm PST

Doing my best on disability..

I watched todays show with great interest, as I can't seem to stay out of the 'overdrawn' on my chequeing account at some point during my month.  I don't (won't/can't) have any credit cards, and try not to impulse purchase anything, but some times, my depression gets ahead of my brain. I am bi-polar, with severe agaraphobia and generalized anxiety, so do my shopping on EBay.  I am trying to order the free budget book/guide.... but not getting through.  Also what do you do if you don't have a credit card? Being unable to balance my money is a huge stress for me, as a child, we lost our house twice to forclosures, and often didn't have food.  I went to college and did OK... balanced my accounts and everything, until I had my breakdown and was diagnosed with bi-polar at 39 years.  

Until recently my grocery shopping was done for me by a friend, but I am now forcing myself to do it, and also doing 3 hours of volunteer work with the 'Handicapped Horse Riders' to give me something I love to do OUT of the house.   I have always loved horses, so working with them and helping others in need is great for my self esteem.   It isn't easy.... but I have also started eating much healthier, and trying to loose weight.  I have read all of Dr. Phil's books on weight control.  

  

 
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January 27, 2006, 4:36 pm PST

trying

I been trying since 5:00pm Atlantic time to order free budget kit.I get to the order page and just says check back soon . Has anyone been able to get through?
 
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