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October 6, 2007, 7:29 pm PDT

Do I Call it Quits.....

Hi everyone. After almost 11 years of marriage I am at a loss on what to do. My hubby has left our family more times than I can count. The easiest way for me to begin to describe things is that he lives in this odd little world. It started a long time ago between us where he would just take off for a weekend when he got angry about things. Once the whole computer age took over it turned into chatting with women and viewing porn. This seems to be sporadic but consistent. Often he blamed our relationship issues on one of my children (sorry he knew I had them when he met me......) Two years ago he moved out and I caught him attempting to cheat with a woman. She was furious as he had deceived her too. His world is not just the whole sex issue but he used to lie and tell stories that he was in a war etc.....Once again I recently I found him online on swinger sites and in his email he had set up meetings that he swears he has not followed through on. (he had a stroke almost a month ago and his business trips were cancelled so his meetings went down the drain) He had the guts to tell me he didn't know if we were together or not. (ummmm-I live here and so do you etc....Marriage is a yes or no answer in my book)  He later wrote me a letter apologizing for his behavior and acknowledges that he has a problem and has had it for years long before he ever met me. He feels remorseful but has done little to get help. Together we have a daughter who adores him and of course she is the ultimate concern for me. I hate to  tear up her world but I can only play pretend for so long. The pain is beyond words and I do truly pity him at this point. After his stunt two years ago I am not so quick to forgive but I truly do have religious beliefs that make me want to hold on a well. Where do  I stand with God and what about unconditional love vs self respect, mentally, emotionally and physically? Any help is appreciated...Thanks!
 
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October 7, 2007, 12:15 pm PDT

Thanks for the input.......

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"..has done little to get help." To me, thats not really interested in changing. It's one thing to admit you have a problem. It's something else to make the decision that he is not going to cause any more pain, and is going to find some way to heal.

It appears he is not there yet - which is unfortunate. He needs professional counciling (impulse control issues, among others).

I know this takes a lot of strength on your part and I wish you the best.

Chris

I have to make some difficult decisions for sure. My mom is 400 miles away battling  breast cancer and my two older children have already  flown the coop and are in college with one being married herself.  I still have a 16 year old (from a previous marriage) at home as well as the 8 year old. If I could keep my 16 year old in this town so he can get through high school for at least this year I would go support my mom through her battle, which would help me get away from here as well. At least I would be appreciated there! I wanted to be with her months ago but stayed to take care of my hubby since his health is poor.  Life is short ya know! I totally agree when you say hubby is not seeking to change his issues. I have waited nearly a month for him to call for help. (and yes he has had physical issues but he can dial phone.....) I refuse to do it for him. That is something that is not my place to do. It is so difficult to love someone so much and want to hold them on one hand and on the other want to vomit on their shoes!

 

"I believe that everything happens for a reason-usually that reason is that somebody screwed up! "

 

Thanks so much for  your support. It really helps!

 

ANGIE

 

 

 

 
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October 8, 2007, 9:07 pm PDT

HOW DO I HELP THIS KID?

This is on YOUTUBE and needless to say, I do not know what their location is or I would have called CPS myself! I am contacting a few organizations to see what they can do.....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=370sMbl7_Ao&NR=1

 
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October 27, 2007, 12:56 pm PDT

Can you define "greater responsibility?"

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     Since the beginning of time women have had an advantage over men when it comes to parenting.A woman always KNOWS a child belongs to her.A  man can only know what he's told.Therefore the greater responsibility belongs to a mother.
Are you saying it is more the woman's responsibility to provide and take care of the child?
 
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October 27, 2007, 7:48 pm PDT

What has changed....

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 Over the course of your 11 year marriage you say your husband has left you "more times than you can count."  He has also been active with inappropriate chatting and porn on the internet.  2 years ago you "caught him attempting to cheat with a woman."  He has always lied to you.
You say that you hate to tear up your daughter's world, but you can only "play pretend for so long." You say that after his stunt 2 years ago you are not so quick to forgive but you have religious beliefs that make you want to hold on. You ask where do you stand with God, what about unconditional love vs self respect?

This is what I'm wondering: has all of this taken on urgency now that your husband has had a stroke?
Your last question is a valid one and one that you should have been asking the second or third time your husband left you because he couldn't deal with whatever argument you were having. Where is your self respect? And where was your self respect when you found porn and the other things on the computer?
You say you are not quick to forgive, but what did you do about these immature and selfish things your husband was doing?
And last, if he is leaving you all the time and cheating on you, what kind of role model is he for your daughter? What are YOU teaching her? That it's OK for men to treat women this way?

I'm sorry, I know you have your plate full at the moment, and his cheating is not your fault. What is your fault is letting him get away with it all these years. Letting him strip away your self respect and dignity to the point that now that he is in a health crisis you have no pity for him and are considering leaving him. I guess he must have had some redeeming quality before, that kept you around even though he did the things he did. What has changed now that he has had a stroke? You have "played pretend" for 11 years, what is different now?

Unfortunately I didn't find these things again until a few weeks after he had the stroke and I got on his computer. So here I was nursing this person, being a good wife and human being and pretty much just getting crapped on. Sorry to be so blunt but I see no other way to put it.....In fact I HAVE pity for him is the problem vs NO pity if you read what I wrote....If he was not sick I would have left and gone to take care of my mother where I know I would be appreciated. His being sick  is a great part of why I am here. I will say that monetary reasons are  also a huge part of things and even when he was gone he always left a majority of the money to pay the bills and I will go as far as to say relieve some of his guilt. He wrote me a letter a few weeks ago and basically acknowledged that he knows he has a problem and has for years. Dishonesty has been a way of life apparently for a large portion of his adulthood and has torn up past relationships as well as this one. I have turned into an extremely tolerant person as I have aged and have been living my life for my children who are now all nearly grown. Maybe it isn't much in the way of self respect but keep in mind that this is my third marriage, I am a person of deep commitment and also have religious views now that I didn't hold several years ago. On the other hand I have the harsh slap of reality telling me that the minute he is better his behavior will repeat.

 

My family knows very little. "Our" daughter just happens to be the youngest of six and we have one more child left at home. (yours mine and ours.....)  I hide so much inside and put on a happy face. No one at church knows and very little people outside of my closest circle of friends know.

 

Do  I love this man? Absolutely with all my heart. I know he hates the messes he has created but it is like he is an addict of some sort who doesn't know how to handle his issues and I am a person who feels like they are treading water to help everyone else stay afloat.  

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

She is a villain? Get real!

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The real villian, in my opinion is Enriques new wife.  Absolutely, she raised this whole issue so he would  pay less child support to improve her own financial situation.  How dare she come in and say that the one daughter doesn't look like him.  What if she had been wrong?  Did she ever think of that?  Sure the 1st wife was wrong not divulging this deception but we don't know their situation at that time.  Maybe she simply made a bad judgement 10 years prior.  Maybe she really wasn't sure, so why bring it up if he isn't suspicious?  The poor daughter must have felt terrible and alone.  I am from a divorced family and even when your real Dad leaves, you think it's your fault.  I know of a family situation close to me, in which a 2nd husband joined a Mother & son.  They then had 3 boys of their own but when this 2nd marriage didn't work out, he was forced to pay child support to the one boy who wasn't his, as well.  The judge felt that he had acted as a Father figure for a long-enough period and "how dare he" keep the 4th child from receiving any financial aid, simply because he's now out of the picture.  I would say the same thing applies here. 

She made a comment that turned into the undeniable truth! The mother was wrong and dishonest in all aspects. While I totally feel for the child and do not agree with what Enrique has done, I think the mother is the root of it all. She lied from the start and now should have to reimburse Enrique. She used her daughter as a pawn and should have to pay him back.
 
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November 19, 2007, 8:33 pm PST

RUN LIKE FOREST GUMP!

I been married to a compulsive liar for almost 11 years. I hate to say that I ignored the signs and wish I would have gotten out a long time ago when it first started. This lady needs to get out NOW! This guy cannot see wrong from right and I really doubt things are going to get better. Why endanger your body and the lives of the children? She and the children deserve so much better!

 
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December 1, 2007, 6:59 pm PST

I Totally Agree With What You are Saying.....

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 OK, so you're saying that you thought your husband was being faithful until after his stroke when you found evidence that he was still carrying on the same sad saga of porn and setting up meets with people. Don't worry about your words, they are apt. You HAVE been crapped on, more than once.

What I was asking was what has changed this time?

 He has never been a good husband, and you have caught him in the past in infidelities and lying. Yet you stayed with him. You do admit that part of the reason you stayed was because he always provided for you and the kids. You don't have to say anything on these boards if you don't want to, but you MUST be brutally honest with yourself.  Did you settle for this arrangement because it enabled you to take care of your children better than you could have as a single parent? Did you delude yourself about what he was up to because it was easier to do so than to divorce him and have the kid's lives uprooted again? And now that he has had a stroke you may have to see more of him in the future than you care to, and THIS is what has you contemplating leaving him? I would add, is this why you feel guilty and protest that you DO love him, etc etc etc?

Understand, I'm NOT judging you. I know all too well what it feels like to be trapped in a marriage that seems to be all in favor of the one who is lying and cheating. What you have is a crisis. He has been slapped with his mortality and you are not so sure you can muster the proper sentiments, especially in the face of the latest discoveries.

I can't tell you what to do, beyond what I have- face your demons. If you really believe that he will revert to his former ways when he is better, then maybe it's time to take stock of your life and what you have been deluding yourself about all these years.

So that means things have to change. I can sense in your posts the reluctance, the wishing it would all just resolve itself and life go on much as it did before. I know this feeling also, he made the mess, he should have to do all the work. The thing you have to realize is that you enabled him to get away with it all these years. He may have developed some nasty habits, but you let it get swept under the rug. I know how easy that is when you're raising kids, when your husband is uninvolved, you tend to put the kids above the marriage. When he doesn't beat you and pays the bills and leaves for periods of time, it helps you to set up your life in a way that gets you through the day. It's not a glamorous life, but you feel "normal." Until things are upset and there's no going back. (This is the "change" I wanted you to zero in on.)

Dr Phil recommends that you work your way out of a marriage, by availing yourself of counseling and anything else that you can try. My suggestion is that if your husband is truly remorseful, but doesn't seem to be doing much to make it up to you, YOU need to fill in the blanks for him. Decide what you need from him and let him know. Hold him to any agreements he makes with you. Beware of ultimatums though, like "I'll divorce you if you ever___again" unless you are absolutely prepared to back them up with action.

I think the most undeniable fact through all this is how much I really do love him and I do know that he loves us.  We truly have a soulmate type of relationship but I despise his lack of respect. (Surprise-the man has NO friends that he associates with whatsoever.) He hates the self destructive behavior he has as much as I do and I see this as no different than a situation with drug addict or alcoholic. It really is an illness and I think my own guilt is a huge part of what is making me stay too. I believe you don't just walk out on someone while they are down.

 

As far as what you mentioned about having to be around him more goes-his work schedule either has him in another state or country or completely home. He does not go to an office daily. We are either 100% or nothing.  My biggest gripe right now- I confronted him over a month ago and although he wrote me an extremely honest, enlightening  letter, he has made no effort to get himself into counseling as he said he would.

 

I think part of the reasons I have not left him: Yes, income has a lot to do with it, our rural location, the fact that this is my third marriage and I hate to say I made another poor choice, which, realistically I have known for a long time. I made mistakes early in life that I still pay for and with children involved it makes me look at all perspectives considering it is not all about me but more so about them.  As far as his nasty habits go-he does acknowledge that his lying was there long before me. He has a constant need to nourish a poor ego. Obviously his self esteem is incredibly low. (Yes, mine must be right now too, I know.....) He is now released from physical therapy so his stroke is not an issue. My own mother is more than likely dying from cancer and is 8 hours away. I keep thinking about how much I need to be there with her rather than here where I do not feel respected or appreciated. Of course the children have school so that is a stumbling block for me where that is concerned. I feel like I need space but am scared to take it! And yes, I am at a point of ultimatum that I am ready to back up!

 

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