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April 23, 2008, 11:09 pm PDT

Where's the control

Where has the control went. I'm 39 and married,without children.But when I watch these show and see a parent say they cant get there children to do well whatever. Cant. I dont understand. My parents didnt ask me any questions. They told me what, when and how much. Dont get me wrong I did my share of no-no's,Yes that would be drugs. Nothing hard. I tried smoking a little. And I thought all was good. Until one day I came home from school and they got me. They found notes that I had wrote to friends(during school)

and there was no getting out of that one. I was grounded until (they said so)that meant no phone,no TV, no music,drivers lic. was taken. (My Dad paid for it, he could take it away. )I could only leave the house with my parents.My time was spent in bedroom reading a book( of Dads choice)I didnt dare even mention how they found notes.I knew. Thats what I mean...Take back control.Dare them to test you, then SHOW them.Take everything out of bedroom except bed.what can they do. Call the law. Let them. Take the Drivers Lic. except for parents errands.Come on parents. Your the ADULT. Their the Children. Live by it.

 
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April 23, 2008, 11:46 pm PDT

Cold Hearted

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hi all..

 

this will probably grate on some of you but i felt it was time to bust a few myths surrounding adoption...

 

I am a 45 year old male adoptee and have studied adoption for over 25 years now and would like to say this, a lot of you here state that you are christians , how can that be when you are realy breaking a fundemental SIN..THOU SHALL NOT STEAL...yes folks adoption is theft, its theft of identity for the adopted child, its theft to the mother that has relinquished her child and is theft  of a life...

 

Most mothers (and they are mothers, not birth mothers, do normal kids call there mothers birth???, and they are not biological,thats a program on a washing machine) they are MOTHERS , most mothers are young scared and vunerable when they go into labour and a lot are DRUGGED before they give birth and when they wake there child is gone and they are told "we thought your child would be better off with other people"...<<<< WHO HAS ANY RIGHT TO THAT DECISION...Social wreckers lie to the mothers stating there child will be in an open adoption , then suddenly the mother looses contact once the adoptive couple decide to move and close the adoption,leaving that child and mother permanantly seperated.

 

Most mothers are coersed into giving there child up and then years later they are told they have NO RIGHTS to find that said child whe there situation has changed.

 

Not all mothers are crack house whores that didnt care for there babies, thats a myth that social wreckers tell so its easier for that agency can sell that baby...

 

What price would any of you place on your own childs head ...

 

why do you think its ok to BUY a child...children are not a possession after all, they are gift to the MOTHER not a bunch of infertile people. Infertility is gods own way of saying its not your turn, why then does it give you the right to permanantly abuse the mother and child by seperation.

 

FACT..a child sufferes PTSD the second it is seperated from there mothers, this might not show itself for years to come but most if not all will suffer trauma in later life...

 

FACT..The adopted child has to lead a manifested life, a life designed by strangers.

 

FACT...the adopted child looses his/hers identity when names are changed and are made to live a certain way that is not the way the child should live.

 

Fact.. the mothers of these babies are looked down apon and are basicaly treated like low lifes, all for the greed of others...

 

Fact there are on adverage over 60thousand black market babies stolen from hospitals and are sold on the black market yearly, all for the sake of greed of the adoptive couples.

 

FACT , why are severly diabled children left in care homes and not adopted, healthy white children syndrome !!!

 

And lastly this ,

 

FACT ...the child knows he or she is adopted and feels outcast,strange around others, and sufferes anxiety and mental health issuse consisting of segreagtion fears, rejection fears (which stems from birth) and commitment fears ,health problems later in life because the medical records of the parents are kept from the adoptive couples..I was born with a congenital heart problem (Cardio-Myopathy) and this was left out of my records in case i wasnt good enough to be adopted...

 

Ive read most of the posts here and there are hardl any sentances that talks about the well being of the relinquished child, its all about what YOU WANT , what you are and what you can give...

 

take a step back, put yourself into the adopted childs shoes and try to understand what he/she goes through on a daily basis rather than than your selfish attitude towards adoption, children are human beings not possessions or fashion items to make your family look good...

 

Adoption is THEFT ....

 

please go to http://groups.msn.com.Adoptese and read the horror storys from mothers,adopted people.

 

www.adoptioncrossroads.com read the true statements from mothers and children screwed up by adoption..

 

my words are bound to cause upset but its about time some of you looked at the bear facts of what you are doing to innocent mothers and children....

 

Graham...Lost in 1964, still lost in 2008 caused by adoption...

 

I can not believe what I just read. Wow. Yes I'm one of those women who are unable to have children. And would Love the chance to be a mother. And yes there are some horror stories out there. That I really dont think I could handle hearing about. But there are some good things that come from adopting too. A child has a chance to have some type of normal life. I believe you can be open and explain in a way that doesnt make them feel like a cast away. A since of belonging doesnt have to have the same DNA...That comes from love and compassion, understanding. And god yes some mistakes along they way. But in the end you have raised a well rounded Adult.

 How can you be so cold hearted as to say that couples unable to have children dont deserve children. Thats just not right.  But then again you probly can have children if you dont already have them. Thank your blessings that you dont have to ever feel that emptiness that only one feels when you find out you cant have a child. You never get over it. You just live day to day. But always hope. Thats all you got.

 
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April 24, 2008, 1:44 am PDT

where did it go

ok where did it go? My sex drive....I cant find it any where....39 yrs old married 1 1/2 yrs living together 5 1/2.I can remember when he could wake me up in the morning and well you know. During the day I would pace the floors waiting for him to come home and we could start over. This went on for 2 yrs. The only breaks we got was during my time of the month. Now....Well lets see...we didnt even make love the day or night we got married. I was sick with the flu. I was in bed while my new husband was watching TV, and making me dinner.Its was 22 days later. And theres only been 3 other times since then.This is driving me crazy.When the mood does hit me, dont let me sneeze because its gone.And I cant get it back.My husband is 10 yrs younger than me and that scares me. He says he would never step out on me and I really do believe him. And trust him. I just know he has to be fustrated. I am......And he has made comments like "something has to give'" what does that mean. Please dont make me go there. That place where you wonder if he his doing something. And could I blame him? Could I understand and forgive. what do you do?See, just thinking about it hurts. I have to find my drive. It has to be here some where. It cant be gone forever. I really enjoyed what my man did for me. never a complaint and never a moment when you go is that all. No, I get a taste of the highest form of bliss and then its gone. I'm going to stop whinning now and just hope for the best
 
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April 24, 2008, 1:57 am PDT

whats the point

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What you are saying is much more than LOOKS...his opinions? His humor? His attitude? Those have nothing to do with not having beautiful eyes.

Honestly...there is much more going on here. If you'd rather talk through email feel free to email me...but there is more to this story...there has to be.

My husband has gained a lot of weight over the years, we too have been married 9 years. He's not what he looked like when we met...however the love we share transcends this. I look at him and his beauty is the memories we share, what a wonderful father he is, what a hard worker he is, the things he says, his brilliant mind, his humor, his attitude and his opinions.

What DO you love about him?


whats the point of  getting married. And how can you say he's a great lover when you are not physically or sexually attracted ti him.   I dont understand that.  And from what I understand you pretty much cant stand the sound of him breathing. Then you need to let this man go so some other women might get lucky enough to meet him. I understand every one needs to feel wanted. But what you are doing is wrong. Get a place of your own and get a pet. All they need is a little attention, food and water. They dont care that you think they are ugly.
 
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April 24, 2008, 2:52 am PDT

take control

spanking was something I grew up with and I dont believe I was abused.I had a wonderful childhood. I could not have ask for better. But my parents were and still are my parents. They followed 1 rule.

 I am the Adult. You are the child.

That's all that needed to be said. I think thats what wrong with kids today. They think they are the Adult. And no one wants to do anything about it. Because they are scared of how the child will act or they may get their feelings hurt. And thats ok. Guess what they will get up and breath the next day. I promise. Anyway as I was saying My parents believed in spanking. But not every time. And eventually that stopped and the real punishment began. I wont say why but I got in trouble one time and was on restriction for a year. yes a year. That meant no TV, no phone, no radio. no friends over. The only place I got to go was where my parents went. And I never thought to argue with them about it. My Dad spoke and thats all there was to say about it. Maybe if kids had some type of fear (not physical )  we might could go back to the days when you went to school with out question, you came home when told.

Parents dont be afraid of your children. Take control. If that means sending them to their room, which is now empty. Except for the bed and dresser. Make them read a book. Of your choice not theirs. Take their drivers lic. what can they do. You had to sign for them to get it. And you have to supply the insurance.So what they are paying for their "own " car.Like I said you take control.Its not like they can call they law, because you took away their stuff. Hell let them call the law. Who will be embarrassed. Not you.I could keep going but I wont. Just take charge and life will be better

 
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April 24, 2008, 12:33 pm PDT

your so angry

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 i dont care one bit wether you found those words hard...

 

go to http://groups.msn.com/Adoptese and educate yourself...Adoption is barbaric...

 

you say a child has a chance of having  NORMAL LIFE...how can it be normal when all around him/her isnt his or hers blood...the people around him dont look the same, act the same or have the broken heart that the adopted child carries for life...and thats normal to you...thats sick...

 

You talk again like a child is a possesion or a toy, your words, a sence ogf belonging doesnt have to have the same DNA... how Ignorant can you be here, Didnt you read my post, it states in quite plain lingo an adopted childs life is manifested and a lie, the child NEVER  realy feels he belongs to you, you may shower  that child in gifts but thats buying there love , you say you can love that child but what about the REAL MOTHER doesnt she deserve the chance to LOVE HER OWN CHILD...But instead people like you STEAL that chance because of you own insecuritys because you cant have your own child, instead you want to STEAL  a child away from its NATURAL  mother,

 

You ask, how can i be so cold hearted to say that infertility is no excuse to adopted, then i ask you back, where in the bible does it say, or where is it written that you can STEAL,TAKE OR BUY another persons child and DISCARD the feelings of there rightful MOTHER...

 

Its not exactly rocket science is it...

 

yes i have kids and im dissabled as well and ill tell you straight, if anyone came to me before my wife gave birth and said "we are taking your child for a better life" or if any prospective adoptive parent approached me for my children, trust me, i would blow there damn heads off, there my kids and not a possession that can be past from pillar to post just so you get some kind of happiness at being a parent, yoyr happiness cost thousands of unhappy children...

 

Yes im cold hearted but thats what adoption does, it screws your mind, life and well being and i guess youll answe will be  im angry and bitter, TO EFFIN RIGHT IM ANGRY...and like you i have every right to be angry and voice my very real opinion on adoption...after all you try being seperated from your blood for 45 years and then tell me how it feels...You adoptive parents just dont have a clue...

 

go to www.bastardnation.com

 www.originsusa.org

www.originscanada.org

www.adoptionhealing.com

www.adoptioninsights.com

 

Educate yourself, read the truth and then comment because non of you hear understand the truth... 

 

I have educated myself.  My "Father" (sperm donar) signed his rights way when I was only 3 yrs old. I had to grow up knowing that info. Try being a girl turning 13 and you know that out there some where is a man who didnt give a rats *** about that big day. Or how about 16. Where was the card. !8 graduated high school and oh yea, he wasnt there. Oh and the big one. Getting married. All girls want their father to walk them down. But  I forgot to tell you. I did have a father to do all this with. My adoptive father. Great man couldnt have ask for any better.  And where is "Real father" now. Oh I had to find him...BIG MISTAKE......How about he had a whole new family  2 girls. My sisters. That was 20 yrs ago I found him. Whens the last time I spoke with him . Oh how about 2 yrs ago.

 So how about that as education

 
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April 24, 2008, 3:33 pm PDT

how sad

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couldnt care less about any of yours situation, my concerne is towards the REAL mothers who gave birth to us and the adopted people who have been stolen by you selfish, greedy self centred so called christian do gooders who dont care about anyone but themselfs and how they will look in society with there STOLEN  children.

 

INFERTILITY IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO STEAL ANOTHER WOMANS CHILD , IF YOU CANT HAVE KIDS, GET OVER IT AND LEAVE OTHER PEOPLES CHILDREN ALONE......

I feel for those who must be sad and  lonely . Your views are valid. But so are mine. I dont want to "steal" a mothers child. But for those who drop off their children and turn away and never look back. Those children need a home with people who love them. End of discussion. If you think different then shame on you.
 
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April 25, 2008, 8:11 pm PDT

Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

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It depends on how old and what she did. Yes Ithink it is a little extreme to gound your child for a whole year, but if the child broke the law then i could see doing that. I think it all depends on the situation.
Oh I had been told several times what would happen. And I pushed the issue. So they stood their ground.Now dont get me wrong I had friends. Just no going out,phone. My parents were friends with some of the parents. So when they got together I got to see them. But that was it. I went only where they went. But I didnt push they issue anymore either. I think I turned out alright. It just burns me up when I here parents say they cant or they ( the kids) wont. unfortunately my husband and I cant have any children, but I have several children in my life. Due to 2 wonderful life long friends. And these children come and spend days with me. And there is very few times that I have to speak to them more than once. Because they know Auntie will not think twice about taking something away. I mean what I say. My friends love it. They use me when they cant get the kids to do whatever. You know "Dont make me call Auntie" works every time
 
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May 5, 2008, 8:11 pm PDT

How could they

I can not believe this has happened.This show really made me angry. I couldnt believe these people got away with taking this man's child with out his consent.I thought that during adoption the first question was "Does the father know and agree".This woman and her parents should be ashamed. The grandad really floored me when he found out the daughter did the seducing.He acted like he didnt believe what he was hearing. I understand that some women decide to give their children up for adoption, but when you have a man wanting to raise a child on his you dont snatch it away. There are too many men now ready to step up and do right. I hope the family that adopted this child decides to do the right thing. I understand how hard it would be to give the child up. But come on. You give this woman the right to visit. You need to do the same for the father. After all the courts stole his child and gave her/him away to strangers.If we ( the public) did this we would go to jail for either some sort of child endangerment or kidnapping or maybe even accused of selling on the black market.

 
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May 5, 2008, 11:56 pm PDT

fingers crossed

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Hi,this is Bryce.Just thought I would fill everyone in on some more of the story.As for the adoptive parents,they new about me from the beginning and went through with it anyway.After I had DNA testing done they the adoptive parentssent someone to my house to ask if there was anything they could do to get me to stop?I take this as how much could they pay me for my baby.I told him to get lost.As for meth,that was over 3 yrs ago.As for employment,I have consistently held a job in construction.We were layed off 2 months ago.As for taking the baby for my mom to raise I never said that.I stated that I would probably take her and stay with my mom in the begining.I have lived in a 5 bedroom house with one roomate for the last year and have just moved in with my mom a week ago to prepare to get my daughter,wich I am going to do!!To the lady who keeps writing in red,"get a life".To everyone else,thank you for your support.This has been more painful than I could describe in words.

I hope everything works out for you. I can not believe what I heard on the show. The grandad should be ashamed. He should also be very angry with his daughter. She lied about who seduced who. I know its hard to talk to your father about your sex life, but be truthful when asked. And the adoptive parents, shame,shame....I believe everyone deserves a second chance. You HAD a shadey past. You learn from it and move on.

Dont give up, stay strong.And believe that in the end this will bite all those who wronged you and your child in the a**.Ever heard of krama. That train will hit and when it does they will be the ones paying

 

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