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frustrated
October 4, 2008, 4:33 am PDT

Parents against parents

Let's look at the facts.  95% of the time the women gets custody, 15% of the time the men gets custody, 10% of the time there is joint custody.  Conservatively since 2000 there have been over 1 million divorces each year with an average household of 2.3 children.  This means that mothers have gotten custody of over 17,000,000 children and fathers have gotten custody of less than 3 million children in the past 8 years.  This is outrageous and an atrocity to our children to force the father out of a child’s life to play a lesser role.  Anyone that denies this and tries to say that 85% of the men in a divorce are domestic abusers or do not want equal physical custody in there child’s life is self-serving.  I continually hear people say it is about the money.  Yes, they are right, but they got it wrong on whom it is about the money.  Do your research.  The state encourages the courts to have a winner (custodial parent) and losers (non-custodial parent and children), so the state can get more funding from the federal government.  The custodial parent is extorting the children and money from the other parent.  This is not good for any child and any caring parent that put their child first would want this for their child.  I am a victim of paternity fraud by our first child (This is how she got me to marry her) and a victim of parental alienation of my second child.  I only have one biological child.  My ex has 5 children by 4 different biological fathers.  She has gotten custody every time.  It is time for the states to stop their funding at the expense of our children and it is time to stop victimizing fathers and their children with PAS, visitation (visitation – a term used when someone visits someone in jail – can it be anymore obvious what the state is doing – they just come right out and say it), etc.  Those of you that dismiss the facts and the numbers in post are self serving and I pity you and the children that you may have that are being victimized.  There is so much more to say.  For all those that really care please do your research and find out the truth.  Please do not be oppressors or ignorant of what is going on with our children.

 

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frustrated
October 4, 2008, 4:46 am PDT

Save out children - The stats are staggering

I see a lot of parents very frustrated about their personal issues with divorce and children.  Please stop trying to be self serving and be more selfless.  Let's serve for a better cause, the best interest of our children.  The statistics do not lie and I hope you do not want this for your child or for your own selfish reasons.

  • 63% of youth suicides. (Source: US Dept. of Health & Human Services, Bureau of the Census).
  • 71% of pregnant teenagers. (Source: US Dept. of Health & Human Services)
  • 90% of all homeless and runaway children.
  • 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
  • 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
  • 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger. (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol. 14, p. 403-26, 1978).
  • 71% of all high school dropouts. (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools).
  • 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers. (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children).
  • 85% of all youths sitting in prisons. (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992).

 

  • 37.9% of fathers have no access/visitation rights. (Source: p.6, col.II, para. 6, lines 4 & 5, Census Bureau P-60, #173, Sept 1991.)
  • "40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the non-custodial father's visitation on at least one occasion, to punish the ex-spouse." (Source: p. 449, col. II, lines 3-6, (citing Fulton) Frequency of visitation by Divorced Fathers; Differences in Reports by Fathers and Mothers. Sanford Braver et al, Am. J. of Orthopsychiatry, 1991.)
  • "Overall, approximately 50% of mothers "see no value in the father`s continued contact with his children...." (Source: Surviving the Breakup, Joan Kelly & Judith Wallerstein, p. 125)
  • Only 11% of mothers value their husband's input when it comes to handling problems with their kids. Teachers & doctors rated 45%, and close friends & relatives rated 16%.(Source: EDK Associates survey of 500 women for Redbook Magazine. Redbook, November 1994, p. 36)
  • "The former spouse (mother) was the greatest obstacle to having more frequent contact with the children." (Source: Increasing our understanding of fathers who have infrequent contact with their children, James Dudley, Family Relations, Vol. 4, p. 281, July 1991.)
  • "A clear majority (70%) of fathers felt that they had too little time with their children." (Source: Visitation and the Noncustodial Father, Mary Ann Kock & Carol Lowery, Journal of Divorce, Vol. 8, No. 2, p. 54, Winter 1984.)
  • "Very few of the children were satisfied with the amount of contact with their fathers, after divorce." (Source: Visitation and the Noncustodial Father, Koch & Lowery, Journal of Divorce and Remarriage, Vol. 8, No. 2, p. 50, Winter 1984.)
  • "Feelings of anger towards their former spouses hindered effective involvement on the part of fathers; angry mothers would sometimes sabotage father's efforts to visit their children." (Source: Ahrons and Miller, Am. Journal of Orthopsychiatry, Vol. 63. p. 442, July `93.)
  • "Mothers may prevent visits to retaliate against fathers for problems in their marital or post-marital relationship." (Source: Seltzer, Shaeffer & Charing, Journal of Marriage & the Family, Vol. 51, p. 1015, November 1989.)
  • In a study: "Visitational Interference - A National Study" by Ms. J Annette Vanini, M.S.W. and Edward Nichols, M.S.W., it was found that 77% of non-custodial fathers are NOT able to "visit" their children, as ordered by the court, as a result of "visitation interference" perpetuated by the custodial parent. In other words, non-compliance with court ordered visitation is three times the problem of non-compliance with court ordered child support and impacts the children of divorce even more. Originally published Sept. 1992
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    October 4, 2008, 5:03 pm PDT

    The real solution to these issues

    Quote From: jamodit

    Statistics are good. But do you have any idea on how to transform statistics in to law?

    How do you convince a legislator those statistics mean lost productivity, loss of family structure, higher health costs etc.?
    Joint physical custody should be automatic when there are 2 fit parents.  We are not divorcing our chilren, but for some reason the court system wants to make our children and the non-custodial parent a slave to their system, by extorting them into paying child support, so they can increase the states financial incentives from the federal government.  Anytime you have created a custodial parent and a non-custodial parent you have minimized one parent and maximized the other parent.  This automatically creates a PAS environment.  A child needs both parents, not a parent and someone they visit.  The child should have the right to know both sides of themsleves equally.  It is the childs god given right.
     

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    October 4, 2008, 5:40 pm PDT

    10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

    I appreciate the publicity that Dr. Phil has given to this issue, syndrome or what ever you want to call it.  I think it is very evident from the other postings that this problem is widespread and it happens to both men and women.  However, another show or maybe several shows are needed to discuss the underlying reason for parent alienation and how to solve the problem.  We need to discuss and explore the fact that there needs to be a presumption of joint shared custody of children for fit parents.  This would go along way to dramatically reducing parental alienation and a lot of other issues facing children and society as evidenced by the statistics posted.

     

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    October 5, 2008, 6:49 pm PDT

    My thoughts on how this could be accomplished

    Quote From: jamodit

    Like many others, I wrote part of my story. The platform needs to move to more discussion about solutions. I have no idea, and doubt anyone else has any idea, how many "fit" parents there are in divorce situations. I'm going to assume 50/50. So, for the 50% that aren't "fit" parents, how does the court system deal with them? And, for the 50% that are "fit", who is going to referee the disagreement that is going to ultimately occur over which doctor to use, or which school to attend, or even more likely, which religion is going to be the religion of choice. 1 reason people get divorced, even "fit" people, is because they disagree over basic issues. I don't really think maximizing 1 parents power for decisions affecting the children is bad, unless abused. Although it is a fine line & very subjective, that abuse needs to be dealt with. When "fit" parents disagee over which doctor to use, are you going to have an arbitrator or courts decide what is in the best interest of the child while the child dies?

    Legally, I was a child support payment center only. So, I had no control over schools, doctors, religion etc. I did not agree at all with the decision about religion, Ex is Baptist & I'm Methodist. However, I recognized some religion was better than none. I thought religous tolerance was good. So, I took my children to church, but they rebelled, mainly because their idiot grandmother denegrated methodism. If I had had my children's best interest in mind, I probably should have attended their Baptist church and cut out the conflict. Their grandmother probably would have changed her religion.

    I tried to focus on my children. I failed in some areas, like religous preference. I am very blessed and perhaps very lucky, because my children turned out pretty good, actually, very good considering the revolving door of 4 step fathers and numerous live-in boy friends.

    The older I have gotten, the more I realize allot of what I fought against or had anger over was the un-known and my way versus my ex's way. I also realize I had no support system (parents died when young, brother & sister had no children) & I was not knowledgeable enough to deal with some of the problems I was confronted with after divorce. I think every divorcee with children should be required to go thru post partum training to help them deal with some of the issues. Court ordered training, paid for by those who can afford it & no payment for those who can't. Who does it & how does it get funded? Well, it gets funded partly by state tax revenue & partly from fines from those that interfere with child visitation orders. Cost could also be reduced by volunteer efforts from the metal health "professionals" or from religous oranizations. In my opinion, religous organizations have totally missed the target on providing post partum couseling.

    After reading allot of the blogs after the show, it appears pretty obvious their is a problem with PAS. Now, the real issue is what to do about it.


    These are my thoughts and I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, so constructive criticism is always welcome.

     

    The parents should try to work out what is best for their children first.  They will need to discuss and change the way they do things as the child gets older, because their needs and responsibilities change.  With that being said, there are always going to be parents that wish to be difficult and vindictive and have to make everything a conflict.  There needs to be accountability.  When the parents cannot agree then they must see a parenting coordinator.  The coordinator will meet with both parent and let each parent discuss the conflict without interruption from each other.  Here is the accountability part.  The coordinator will bill both parents, if the conflict is legitimate (i.e. religious preference) then the coordinator will charge both parents for the coordinators time.  If the one parent is creating the conflict then that parent must pay the coordinator.  The coordinator must be properly licensed and adequately trained regarding family issues and to both a mediator and arbitrator. 

     

    Coordinator integrity:  If the parent is having an issue with a coordinator then they may request an independent review board to decide if there is bias or discrimination.  The coordinator will pay the independent review board if they are found to be at fault and filed in the coordinators record.  The parent will pay the independent review board if they are found to be at fault.

     

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    October 9, 2008, 12:31 pm PDT

    Huray for the courts and our wonderful system

    Yea!  The special interest groups, courts, lawyers, state & federal government, Judge and all the judges’ employees in domestic relations have accomplished what they want.  I am so proud of all of you endorsing and empowering the system to determine the fate of your child.  My X did this my X did that.  Most of you are so busy using this corrupt system, that you have accomplished what it is set up to do.  Institutionalize you child to the system.  I know you all know that a judge can determine in one hearing what is best for your child.  You are just a stupid, ignorant, pitiful, victimized parent.  One of you worthless parents must go and be a meaningless piece of ___ to your child.  After all, this is best for the child isn't it?  Why do you think they have DV/PAS laws and all you have to do is accuse the other parent and pouf they are gone out of the child’s life.  What a wonderful thing.  You are so perfect and we know your child does not need the other parent, so if you don’t think so make sure the judge knows that, so he can make it so.  Let’s face it you are the perfect parent, you know you are considering your child’s best interest.  Don’t we feel so much better now? 

     

    One day your child is going to wake up and despise you for what you have done.  You have taken the special bond for what that child once had with that other parent and trampled that life out of it, as much as you could.  Hey this is the best interest of the child isn’t it?  That’s what the lawyers say.  You have stolen and denied equality to half of the child’s life.  Oh come on the other parent was just a sperm donor or an egg carrier.  Hey it’s in the child’s best interest right?  I am so glad you are getting child support at the cost of destroying the child’s life.  I hope every penny is worth it, but I am sure you are self righteous enough that it doesn’t even cross your mind.  I will not and do not have to judge you, because someone greater will judge you for  trying to murder the relationship of another parent with their child.  

     

    Wait I just go an email from the law review board.  Here is the latest.  The government has just figured out how to get more bonus money from the federal government.  They have decided to pass a law that takes the child away from both parents, because neither parent is fit and place the child in a state institution.  Now both parents will have to pay child support and since the child is in a state institution the state can get 3 times the money from the federal government.  

    However they plan to use some of this money for infrastructure and repair some of the roads.  See now, don’t you feel better that your money is going for something that you can use, besides the pockets of all the lawyers, judges, state employees and the best part about it is if your institutionalized child is traveling down that road they are safer to.  See now I told you the government knows what the best interest of the child is.

     

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