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November 8, 2008, 10:52 am PST

11/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

I am concerned about a few things in this story. First off (as mentioned before) where is the father of the child in this? He does have a say even if he and the mother had a possible one night stand or whatever the case may be. Second: What really pushed the grandmother to take the little boy away from his mother? I also think it may have something to do with tyring to "correct mistakes" but there is something we are not being told here. There is some underlying issue between the mother and grandmother that started long before this and I feel it's now being blown up and involving the child which is wrong. The fact that the child (living with the grandmother) is living I think they said 3000 miles from the mother leaves little to no chance of the mother and child keeping a close relationship. I have a suggestion although it probably won't be considered by either party... I feel if the grandmother wants to see this work for the mother of the child they should do the home study and let the child live there with the mother, If the grand mother is really that awful concerned about how the mother is taking care of him and wants to be able to have visits then maybe she should consider moving closer to her daughter and the child. It doesn't seem like it should be an issue although with this family I do feel it's mostly about control and the grandmother possibly wants to have the ability to say "I have him and IF you want to even visit him you have to come here, where I can analyze your day to day activity with him and make sure he has everything he needs" After all this being said I really hope things work out honestly for the best interest of the child, put your own hate for each other aside and seriously think about how much a child loves his mother and how good it feels to come home from school knowing you r mommy is there to give you a snack and help you with homework, then cook you dinner and all that good stuff. It should not be the grandmother doing this, Grandmothers are for sunday dinners and baking holiday cookies, for the spoiling on holidays and birthdays, and to give that one little piece of candy even after mommy said no but grandma gives it anyway and just says "be careful and this is our little secret witha cute grin and a little shhhhhhh ;) Please be a grandma, your duties as mother are still there, only she's a bigger girl now and needs your mothering in a different way.  
 
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November 8, 2008, 11:17 am PST

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hi, I am a 25 year old mother of two girls, I have been through a lot in the last 8 years , One of them being abused by my oldest daughters father and after him spending 4 months in jail and doing anger management we are back together and he no longer hits me but now he is so unaffectionate and he blames him going to jail on me.  while he was in jail i had had another daughter from another guy and we lost touch while i was pregnant, and when i found him he had a girlfriend but i still care very much about him and have asked my oldest daughters father to leave but he won't and i don't want to get the police involved as my children have seen enough of them how do i make this man understand without a confrintation that this relationship is over and how do i help my kids to deal with him moving out i need him gone asap, as i need to move on with my life. Please help i can't take the insanity anymore and my kids don't need to start seeing us argue.  
If you rent and have a lease why don't you just move when the lease is up. Since he is legally the father to one of your girls he will have to know where you are moving to but you can just make it clear that he is not moving with you...
 
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November 8, 2008, 1:31 pm PST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

It's children like that who make me wonder whats going on in their home? What have their parents tought them about their bodies? Do they not know that they are puting themselves at risk for those pictures being places on the internet by others? What would they do if they saw a picture or video of themselves on the internet in that way? I'm sure in one sense they would feel ashamed but on the other hand it's all for attention. If parents would pay more attention to what their children are doing then this would not be happening and there are no excuses good enough. I'm curious to see what this show brings for these children. I hope it's a reality check not only for the children but the parents as well.

 
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November 9, 2008, 4:15 pm PST

You don't have to be married to be a good mother!

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 I have three questions: 1) Was Nicole ever married to Ethan's father?  At 18 Nicole should have known what caused babies and that she was not equipped to raise a child;  2) Does Nicole have anything to do with Ethan's father?  If not, perhaps the father is the one that needs to be taken to court and forced to pay child support; 3) Is Nicole married now?  If not, she definitely isn't capable of raising Ethan... Having two children out of wedlock proves that she is not capable of raising Ethan or the unborn child.

In this day in time getting pregnant out of wedlock seems to be the thing to do. Also depending on your parents to subsidize your lifestyle is using your parents and immature.  Our welfare systems are going broke supporting children born out of wedlock and their unmarried mothers.  They also get a monthly check , food stamps, housing allotments, free medical, etc.

After working 30 years in the academia, I can tell you that working in an admissions office at a University doesn't pay enough to take care of yourself, much less a child (and another one on the way).

Too many grandparents are guilted into subdizing their children so their grandchildren won't suffer. I would hate to think where the Ethan's of the world would be without grandmothers like Barbara!
I cannot believe this response! And yes... it ANGERS me. I am a mother of 2 wonderful children and oh my gosh guess what I'm NOT MARRIED! Just because someone is not married doesn't mean they are not fit to be a parent. And this info about our welfare systems??? Ha ha ha our entire economy is going to fall to pieces and those of you who run up credit cards and buy these big houses and default on the payments don't make it any easier for parents to BUY a house. I can go on and on about how other people are runing this country but you know what it's not fixing it so I'll stop. However, those families who are on government assistance are not the only ones ruining things. Nothing comes free and we all have to work hard. I feel this young lady may have had a few mess ups in her days but she's trying and getting her things together.... Besides.... WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE HER!! There is no one person or one group of people at fault for this.... Barbara should have parented her and guided her daughter better and the daughter, Nicole, should have tried a little harder, but hey SHE'S FIXING IT NOW SO GET OFF HER!
 
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November 9, 2008, 4:27 pm PST

11/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

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  Am I really reading this? Because a woman has 2, yes 2, children out of wedlock she is not fit to raise them. If that is the case then all unwed mothers need to have their children taken away. Let's see, how many millions of children would that be in foster care? I agree that would be better for the children and for the government and taxpayers. Actually, maybe we should go back to the days where these women should be forced to wear something like a scarlet A, maybe a scarlet U (for Unwed), to clearly show her shameful deed. Maybe we should go back to stoning? Post's like this remind me of the Salem witch trials. What about the children that are being raised by single mothers because the sorry choice for a husband took off the minute the baby was born? Should she be included in this? Where do we as society draw the line in telling others how to live?

  Maybe you are approximately 98 years old and I can overlook your old fashioned views, but this is not the 50's where one is judged by having a child (or even 2) out of wedlock. As a matter of fact I take offense that this should even be mentioned. My sister had a child out of wedlock and I for one do not feel she should have been forced to marry a man that she did not love just because of it. Too many marriages have sprung from this particular situation only to end in divorce down the line. Does that really make it easier on the children?

  Yes, I agree that any young woman should know about birth control in this day and age, and use it responsibly, but these things do happen. It is NOT a valid reason to lose the right to raise your own child.

  To be very honest here, I am so tired of people on this board feeling they have the right to tell other's how to live. Just recently I have been told that I am not allowed to own a pickup truck and live at the country club due to the fact that my choice of vehicle is larger than others, a gas guzzler, and because this "other" person is tired of having to support my husbands and my way of life. Funny, I had always thought we were supporting ourselves? I had no idea that a stranger was providing all of this for us! Until someone is actually doing something "wrong", such as hurting another or placing another's life in harms way, we have no right to tell others what they can and cannot do. I thought this was still America and that we were still a country of freedom, a country where we are allowed to make our own choices.

Well said...
 
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November 10, 2008, 6:55 pm PST

Alternatives maybe?????

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 I think it was courageous for the young mother to admit she was overwhelmed by taking care of her two young children. Unfortunately too many people do not seek help and their children suffer the consequences.  Parenthood is not for everyone.

 There are many loving homes in the U.S. that can give these girls what the mother feels they are lacking. We would gladly take these girls in under an open adoption plan.

How about this, instead of offering to adopt the girls involved in this, why don't you just offer a lending hand where needed? I mean maybe there is more to the story b/c the way I understood her (she wrote in earlier) she doesn't want to actually give her kids away, she just needs help getting herself back into school and getting her feet planted for her to be able to support her girls better as they grow into teenagers who want more things and those things become more expensive.

I could be wrong, but I think this might be more along the lines of what she was wanting to get across to everyone along with the message that young girls should wait to have children due to this kind of situation. Admitting your an overwhelmed mother does take a lot of courage and I commend her for doing this. Maybe some other young girls out there will reconsider intentionally getting pregnant because they think it's the "cool" thing to do now. I do think she has been a little careless in the past having accidentally gotten pregnant twice by two different men, however, she presents herself to be a loving caring mother and wants nothing but the best for her girls, Kudos to her for admitting her faults AND trying to correct them.

 
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November 11, 2008, 9:53 am PST

11/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

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Don't you feel that if every woman was meant to be a parent once she was settled, had a career, had plenty of money, a maid, a home, and everything else that then maybe our physical bodies would have been built the other way around? To get to all of the above it takes time and it's what you strive for in your future. You don't normally have all of that when you are in your early 20's. So why then does our biological clock wind down as we get older and it makes it harder for us to get pregnant? Because we are "supposed" to have our children when we are young. And with being young comes a bit more naivete, a few more mistakes, and certainly less money.
I agree... which is why I wrote this. I replied to a woman on here who stated that this young lady is unfir because she is not married etc. I disagreed with her. Yes, she could have done some things differently but as you said she is young and has made a few mistakes and has less money and so on and so on. I don't disagree with her using government assistance if it's needed and it helps her out, this other lady does though. The assistance is out there for this reason... to help. I just think she should be given a fair shot at moving on.... without her mother.
 
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November 14, 2008, 9:06 am PST

Hi mellain!!

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You got it. That was ALL I was trying to show in coming on the show. I wanted other young mothers to know that it is not easy and that all the responsibility is on us. The men can still be free and it's okay because it's the social norm, but if we even feel like we need help look at how we are treated. I asked for help and half the viewers ridiculed me. Where is my family you all ask? I have none within 4 hours of me. Neither can I move closer to them. Even if I did, there isn't much they could do.

I don't want to give them up. I wanted help. Now I have DYFS (children's services) at my door asking me if I abuse or neglect my children, wanting to take them from me. I do not hurt them. I take extremely good care of them, I am nice to them, I put them before myself. I am finishing up my second semester at college right now and I have enrolled in next semester as full time again. I will not be giving up my education. Even if 'miss nevada' in the audience thought I was selfish for going to school and she thinks 'it's all about me' it's not. My children need me to do this, they need me to take this opprotunity and be in school and get a degree so I can at least do something better for them than I could without it, working wal-mart and waitressing just to make ends meet.

The father of my first child is almost 30 now, I just turned 20. I did not know what I was doing at 16 as well as I thought, but he did. With that said, I know I made mistakes but I am doing the best I can. None of you are going to adopt my children. I can do this. I just needed help.

But I want to say something to all mothers everywhere:

we don't need to give up who we are as individuals for our children, we don't need to be isolated in order to raise productivechildren. We CAN go to school. We don't need to work 2 dead endjobs to bring in an income. We can suffer for a little to get aneducation and use it to have careers, and this short period of timewith less money will not permanently damage our children. It's for thegreater good, and not just for ourselves but for the welfare andfutures of our children. We don't need to be silently suffering inbetween the walls of our homes, decorating and baking, afraid to have anight out once a week because we will be looked down upon for not being'real mothers.'

A real mother is someone who balances herself AND her children.

I'msick of society telling me what's going to make my children happy. I'mnot saying we be selfish, but we cannot lose ourselves. Our lives arenot 'over' or given up for our children. Certain activities, yes, butnot all. Certain ways of acting, yes, but not all. We can't move alongas fast as non-parents but we CAN get a degree, we can earn a position,we can.

Just because you work a full-time job at, say, Pizza Hut, does this makeyour life devoted and revolving around the company? Or do you getbreaks during shifts? Don't you get vacation time? Don't you have otheremployees working with you at any given time to get the job done? Howis being a full-time parent any different? We need breaks, we need asupport system, and when we aren't working we need to take off our'aprons' and honor student bumper stickers and be who we are as PEOPLE.

Without society telling us we're terrible human beings for it.

Youdo NOT need to isolate yourself just because you had children. But thisdoesn't give you an excuse to be out partying more than you are home ordoing activities that can hurt or influence your children in a bad way.This does not give you the right to total freedom from yourresponsibilities. That is not what I am advocating. I am speaking for the mom's who are scared of being themselves, whohave tried to go out once a week and had a man or an old-fashionedmother tell her she is selfish and uncaring of her children.

Ifyou isolate a mother, you take away her light. Without that light shecan't lead her children in the direction of happiness. You keep amother feeling trapped and she WILL take it out on her children, shewill lose her patience, she will raise troubled people. More often thannot.

I want to change this. For all the real parents out therewho love their children, who did give up their life. You don't need togive up all of it.

Parents are people, too.
I'm glad you poasted a quote with my comment.... I thought maybe you would be even more upset about the turnout of this than you are. It seems like you taking everything like a trooper! I e-mailed you at the e-mail address you provided in your other post. I don't know where you're located but if you ever need someone to talk to I'm here! Even if it's just to "vent" lol. I hope things get better for you soon and stay strong b/c things will get better... you are determined.... and theres nothing stronger than an educated and determined mother! :D One day your little girls will be able to say "We may not have had all the money we would have liked but we had our mother, and she was strong, devoted to us, and did everything she could to make sure we had what we needed. Now, shes a successful woman with a career who we look up to and love very much!"
 
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November 16, 2008, 12:08 pm PST

Has anyone actually listened to Melissa???

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I just want to say to Melissa I would like to adopt her children if she wants to give them up.  I have been very happily married for 14 years and have been through 8 miscarriages and several fertility treatments.  My husband and I want to have children badly.  I am now 42 and my husband is 41.  We were considering adopting but financially we can not adopt now until we save more money to do it.  I am scared about adopting from another country and I am scared to adopt in the US because I do not want my child taken from me in case the original birth parent wants the child back.    All I know is Melissa is very fortunate to have 2 children.  I would give anything to have 2 children or at least 1 child right now. Holidays are very depressing for us because we cannot share it with anyone so we usually leave town and go somewhere to get away from the fact we cannot celebrate Christmas, New Years, Halloween, Thanksgiving with a child.  We would give a child a terrific loving home.  My husband and I are both the only child and he only has his mom left.  Both of my parents are deceased so I do not have anyone.  My husband's mother desperately wants to be a Grandmother before she dies.  I do not know if this will ever happen.  By the time we have the money saved up we will probably be to old.  I love children very much and I am disappointed that I can not have any on my own.  That is all I have to say..

I would like to take a moment here to say I'm sorry for you and your husband not being able to have children of your own like you both would like so much, BUT have you read any of Melissas messages on here? She has very clearly mentioned that she doesn't want to gove her girls away in any way shape or form. I think you need to take a few moments to really read her messages.... mellain... is her user ID. I highlt suggest you look into adopting a child weather it's from the US or another country It sounds likt you would be a great family to consider. There are so many options out there and sometimes if you get the word out there to enough people, a young girl might come to you on her own. I don't know but I do think before people post saying they will take her girls that they need to read what she has written.

 
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March 21, 2009, 12:34 pm PDT

Just got out after 3 years

Hello everyone here,

        I just recently was able to watch the show (Go TiVo!) but I have to say that it really hit home for me. I just recently ended a relationship that, now I see clearly, hit every point in the sense of abuse. It was not healthy and it did not end good, however my children and I are doing better and better with each passing day. We have one child together and that makes it even harder b/c I will still have to deal with this "man" for the rest of my life in some way. It's though but I think I'll be ok now.

        I just wanted to say thank you to not only Dr. Phil and Robyn but also to all their staff and the guests on this show for doing the show. It really was a major eye opener for myself and I'm happy I got out while the child he and I share together is still young enough to not remember the things he did see. I hope all abused women and men can get the courage to take charge if their own life and get away from their abuser. It's so hard in the beginning and I catch myself even wanting to talk to them still, but that is another way of continuing the abuse and mindgames. Try to have someone you can talk to. It's even harder not being able to talk about it, I personally don't have anyone to talk to and it's very hard to do this everyday.

 

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