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Posted by: dmdrossi
Posted on: 2002-10-14 07:23:42
Dear Dr. Phil,I went online to check what todays show is about and it couldn't have hit any closer to home even if I planned it myself. My 26 year old daughter had moved back home for the third time. I had her pay 150.00 a moonth plus buy her own food and necessaties. Well one night she invited a man over for dinner and he never left. I thought if I made him pay rent he would leave but he never did, so finally I told him after 3 months he had to go and of course my daughter went with him. Oh well to bad so sad. I miss her and of course there is more to it but if I wrote everything it would be a book. I am anxious to watch your show today to see the out come. Thanks once again, Diane Rossi
Posted by: dmdrossi
Posted on: 2002-10-14 07:23:42
Dear Dr. Phil,I went online to check what todays show is about and it couldn't have hit any closer to home even if I planned it myself. My 26 year old daughter had moved back home for the third time. I had her pay 150.00 a moonth plus buy her own food and necessaties. Well one night she invited a man over for dinner and he never left. I thought if I made him pay rent he would leave but he never did, so finally I told him after 3 months he had to go and of course my daughter went with him. Oh well to bad so sad. I miss her and of course there is more to it but if I wrote everything it would be a book. I am anxious to watch your show today to see the out come. Thanks once again, Diane Rossi
good for diane
Posted by: pippilou
Posted on: 2002-10-14 18:42:55
hey Diane
Good for you. I get really frustrated hearing about my peers so called tough situation. They move home, work full time and then buy a brand new car or truck and a new entertainment unit and mom and dad dont say a word. My mom let me live at home when I chose to go back to school, but I paid for my food and part of the bills and got great grades. Also, I only went to school part-time until I could afford full-time. I cleaned up after my own stuff and took the bus or helped with gas money (I dont drive). When I wanted to move in with my boyfriend Mom drew the line and I respected that, so we got a place together and now He is supporting me through grad school. I appreciate all the help emotionally and monetarily that everyone gave me.
That guy today was a jackass - 24 and living in a car! Maybe what his first goal in life should be is a permanat apartment.
Posted by: pippilou
Posted on: 2002-10-14 18:42:55
hey Diane
Good for you. I get really frustrated hearing about my peers so called tough situation. They move home, work full time and then buy a brand new car or truck and a new entertainment unit and mom and dad dont say a word. My mom let me live at home when I chose to go back to school, but I paid for my food and part of the bills and got great grades. Also, I only went to school part-time until I could afford full-time. I cleaned up after my own stuff and took the bus or helped with gas money (I dont drive). When I wanted to move in with my boyfriend Mom drew the line and I respected that, so we got a place together and now He is supporting me through grad school. I appreciate all the help emotionally and monetarily that everyone gave me.
That guy today was a jackass - 24 and living in a car! Maybe what his first goal in life should be is a permanat apartment.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Posted by: jkhalltx
Posted on: 2002-10-15 17:39:49
I have a 20 year old son that has been in jail 11 months of the last 13 months. He was released last night for the second time. He has no money, no job, no transportation or nowhere to live. We've tried to keep him with us. Told him just to get a job enough to pay insurance for his vehicle. He trashed 3 cars. Moved home for 12 hours and left. Then got arrested. Thought he learned his lesson. Brought him home on bail with house rules number 1 being get a job. He ran all day and night. Stole us blind and hocked whatever he could get his hands on. I was finally able to get his bond revoked. I'm terrified he's going to come after me and hurt me. He's broken in the house before and now having been jailed I figure he knows how to bypass the security system. Now he is released again but we have refused to offer him any help this time. He only wants us when he wants something. Wouldn't call from jail unless he needed $$ or a place to live. We are being beat up by alot of folks that think we're horrible parents. When is tough love acceptable? How long are we to be held responsible while he mooches/steals his way through our life. He's caused us such distress and heartache. I'm constantly on the defensive now and scared he's going to hurt me. Any thoughts?
Posted by: jkhalltx
Posted on: 2002-10-15 17:39:49
I have a 20 year old son that has been in jail 11 months of the last 13 months. He was released last night for the second time. He has no money, no job, no transportation or nowhere to live. We've tried to keep him with us. Told him just to get a job enough to pay insurance for his vehicle. He trashed 3 cars. Moved home for 12 hours and left. Then got arrested. Thought he learned his lesson. Brought him home on bail with house rules number 1 being get a job. He ran all day and night. Stole us blind and hocked whatever he could get his hands on. I was finally able to get his bond revoked. I'm terrified he's going to come after me and hurt me. He's broken in the house before and now having been jailed I figure he knows how to bypass the security system. Now he is released again but we have refused to offer him any help this time. He only wants us when he wants something. Wouldn't call from jail unless he needed $$ or a place to live. We are being beat up by alot of folks that think we're horrible parents. When is tough love acceptable? How long are we to be held responsible while he mooches/steals his way through our life. He's caused us such distress and heartache. I'm constantly on the defensive now and scared he's going to hurt me. Any thoughts?
Dr. Phil is full of it.
Posted by: rounda
Posted on: 2002-10-16 16:45:56
He is your son. Isn't he? you raised him, didn't you? Where is the parent's responsibility? I bet you don't toss out a stray cat like that.
Has it ever occured to you, may be he is trying to get back at you. With his behavior he is trying to tell you, you screwed up somewher along the line.
You screwed him up and now you wash your hands. I am done. there... out you go.
I don't understand parents not wanting to be bothered with supporting their own children. what are they saving the money for? to leave as inheritence after they die when the child is 45 and don't need it any more.
Get a life.... and get your hands off him. stop screwing with his head. Did you ever once give him words of encouragement? or did you fill his head with YOU ARE A LOSER....
Posted by: rounda
Posted on: 2002-10-16 16:45:56
He is your son. Isn't he? you raised him, didn't you? Where is the parent's responsibility? I bet you don't toss out a stray cat like that.
Has it ever occured to you, may be he is trying to get back at you. With his behavior he is trying to tell you, you screwed up somewher along the line.
You screwed him up and now you wash your hands. I am done. there... out you go.
I don't understand parents not wanting to be bothered with supporting their own children. what are they saving the money for? to leave as inheritence after they die when the child is 45 and don't need it any more.
Get a life.... and get your hands off him. stop screwing with his head. Did you ever once give him words of encouragement? or did you fill his head with YOU ARE A LOSER....
BEEN THERE!!!!
Posted by: santow
Posted on: 2002-10-16 21:38:58
Your message made me sick. Obviously you have never had to deal with an addict. My son is 23 years old. He was raised in the most positive circumstances that you could imagine. We were excellent parents. We did everything humanly posssible to "save" our son. He is now in prison because of his drug addiction. To even insinuate that this happened because we weren't good parents makes me FURIOUS!!!
YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!
Posted by: santow
Posted on: 2002-10-16 21:38:58
Your message made me sick. Obviously you have never had to deal with an addict. My son is 23 years old. He was raised in the most positive circumstances that you could imagine. We were excellent parents. We did everything humanly posssible to "save" our son. He is now in prison because of his drug addiction. To even insinuate that this happened because we weren't good parents makes me FURIOUS!!!
YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!
To Been There
Posted by: bzzylzzy
Posted on: 2002-10-27 22:19:32
I have been there and back so many times with an addict son who is 35 years old. He has been to State Prison and so called re-hab so many times it's not even funny. As I sit here and respond I have an absolute sick feeling in my stomach and I have lost so much weight over worrying about him every day. I have a feeling he is up to his old ways again after all the support we have given him (not financial). Only God knows why some children abuse drugs, steal etc. to support their habit and some don't. Perhaps it's a chemical imbalance. I do know that unless you have had this happen in your family it's very difficult for others to understand exactly what you go through. I cry myself to sleep every night and say a lot of prayers in the hope that my son will change his ways. If Dr. Phil practiced family or individual therapy what a blessing that would be.
Posted by: bzzylzzy
Posted on: 2002-10-27 22:19:32
I have been there and back so many times with an addict son who is 35 years old. He has been to State Prison and so called re-hab so many times it's not even funny. As I sit here and respond I have an absolute sick feeling in my stomach and I have lost so much weight over worrying about him every day. I have a feeling he is up to his old ways again after all the support we have given him (not financial). Only God knows why some children abuse drugs, steal etc. to support their habit and some don't. Perhaps it's a chemical imbalance. I do know that unless you have had this happen in your family it's very difficult for others to understand exactly what you go through. I cry myself to sleep every night and say a lot of prayers in the hope that my son will change his ways. If Dr. Phil practiced family or individual therapy what a blessing that would be.
don't cry!!!!
Posted by: bouillon
Posted on: 2002-10-28 20:53:09
I can only imagine the heartache you are feeling and hope that very soon you can stop the tears and tell yourself "it is not your fault" It is about him and not you and it is about the addiction and not you.
Have you considered Al-Anon meetings. Good Luck and God Bless......someday your prayers will be answered.
Posted by: bouillon
Posted on: 2002-10-28 20:53:09
I can only imagine the heartache you are feeling and hope that very soon you can stop the tears and tell yourself "it is not your fault" It is about him and not you and it is about the addiction and not you.
Have you considered Al-Anon meetings. Good Luck and God Bless......someday your prayers will be answered.
addict's mother
Posted by: rosegagen
Posted on: 2002-12-30 15:08:58
My daughter was 14 when I realized she was an addict, her drug of choice was an over the counter cold & cough medicine which she stole from the stores. She was also trading herself for alcohol & other drugs. Almost 12 months ago we put her into a residential treatment center, she has not been home since. But she has learned to be clean & build up her self esteem. She is a 16 yr old I want very much to have as MY DAUGHTER.
On my part, I have made HUGH changes. I went to individual therapy, family therapy and group meetings. I am a co-dependant, this has a personal defination for everyone. I have learned how to love my daughter but hold her accountable for her actions. Right now she is in Juvenile for trying to break out of the rehab program. She went in the night before Thanksgiving, she missed Christmas, her 16th birthday & will miss New Years. But she knows it is Her fault, no one elses. Now this is a kid who blamed everybody else for everything. I am proud to say she is my child. Yes I have struggles this year, not having her at home, not talking to her for over 8 months except for in a controled setting. But the pain has been worth it.
Please, if you have not loved an addict, be thankful. If you do love an addict, the best thing you can do for them is to learn how to better YOURSELF. Sounds wierd, but it is true.
Love you all, Rose
Posted by: rosegagen
Posted on: 2002-12-30 15:08:58
My daughter was 14 when I realized she was an addict, her drug of choice was an over the counter cold & cough medicine which she stole from the stores. She was also trading herself for alcohol & other drugs. Almost 12 months ago we put her into a residential treatment center, she has not been home since. But she has learned to be clean & build up her self esteem. She is a 16 yr old I want very much to have as MY DAUGHTER.
On my part, I have made HUGH changes. I went to individual therapy, family therapy and group meetings. I am a co-dependant, this has a personal defination for everyone. I have learned how to love my daughter but hold her accountable for her actions. Right now she is in Juvenile for trying to break out of the rehab program. She went in the night before Thanksgiving, she missed Christmas, her 16th birthday & will miss New Years. But she knows it is Her fault, no one elses. Now this is a kid who blamed everybody else for everything. I am proud to say she is my child. Yes I have struggles this year, not having her at home, not talking to her for over 8 months except for in a controled setting. But the pain has been worth it.
Please, if you have not loved an addict, be thankful. If you do love an addict, the best thing you can do for them is to learn how to better YOURSELF. Sounds wierd, but it is true.
Love you all, Rose
Addicts Ex-Wife
Posted by: shanlander
Posted on: 2002-12-30 19:35:51
Rose, I can only say that I think that you are doing the right thing. My ex-husband and father of my 12 yr old daughter is an addict. I'm sure that his problems began at a very early age, because as a 39 year old man, he still thinks that the world owes him a living and his mom still bails him out and catches him every time, just before he hits bottom. Even though he has stolen her car, stolen money and credit cards, and breaks into her home and refuses to leave when he needs somewhere to stay. His drug of choice now is Crack Cocaine. He has been in and out of jail and he is over $13,000 behind in child support, because he can't hold down a job. You hang in there, and if you ever have second thoughts, put yourself in her position and that should set you on the right path. She is living a miserable life, because "she can't turn her back on her own child". She is afraid to live in her own home and at age 62 is still waitressing at Bob Evans, because she can't afford to retire. Stay strong and hopefully when your daughter grows up and is healthy again she will realize what a favor you have done for her. Good luck to you and God Bless.
Posted by: shanlander
Posted on: 2002-12-30 19:35:51
Rose, I can only say that I think that you are doing the right thing. My ex-husband and father of my 12 yr old daughter is an addict. I'm sure that his problems began at a very early age, because as a 39 year old man, he still thinks that the world owes him a living and his mom still bails him out and catches him every time, just before he hits bottom. Even though he has stolen her car, stolen money and credit cards, and breaks into her home and refuses to leave when he needs somewhere to stay. His drug of choice now is Crack Cocaine. He has been in and out of jail and he is over $13,000 behind in child support, because he can't hold down a job. You hang in there, and if you ever have second thoughts, put yourself in her position and that should set you on the right path. She is living a miserable life, because "she can't turn her back on her own child". She is afraid to live in her own home and at age 62 is still waitressing at Bob Evans, because she can't afford to retire. Stay strong and hopefully when your daughter grows up and is healthy again she will realize what a favor you have done for her. Good luck to you and God Bless.
You aren't alone
Posted by: dotsma
Posted on: 2002-12-30 19:55:54
you are not alone, I also have a son who is now 38, he is living on the streets, he does have mental problems also, which came first the mental problems or the addictions I am not sure. I am sure that that there is something wrong with people who seem to chose addiction over all the other possiblities as a way of life and can only hope that some day someone will find the answer. Dr Phil was not any help in saying he would have his son commited or locked up. Neither of these are actual options in the state I live in. I also cry myself to sleep every night and I don't care how old my son is he is still my child and my heart hurts for him and for myself. I can't help but go over and over what I could have done differently. I try and stop these thoughts though because we can't go backward and beating up on ones self isn't doing anyone any good. I pray that changes will come about so that there will be some options for people with these problems. In the mean time We need to realize that there are plenty more mothers in this situation it is just not one that anyone likes to admit to. And people can be cruel sometimes, and many assume that a problem child means a bad mother. It does not. Keep the faith, and we need to work toward getting more help available for these adult children.
Posted by: dotsma
Posted on: 2002-12-30 19:55:54
you are not alone, I also have a son who is now 38, he is living on the streets, he does have mental problems also, which came first the mental problems or the addictions I am not sure. I am sure that that there is something wrong with people who seem to chose addiction over all the other possiblities as a way of life and can only hope that some day someone will find the answer. Dr Phil was not any help in saying he would have his son commited or locked up. Neither of these are actual options in the state I live in. I also cry myself to sleep every night and I don't care how old my son is he is still my child and my heart hurts for him and for myself. I can't help but go over and over what I could have done differently. I try and stop these thoughts though because we can't go backward and beating up on ones self isn't doing anyone any good. I pray that changes will come about so that there will be some options for people with these problems. In the mean time We need to realize that there are plenty more mothers in this situation it is just not one that anyone likes to admit to. And people can be cruel sometimes, and many assume that a problem child means a bad mother. It does not. Keep the faith, and we need to work toward getting more help available for these adult children.
Don't Blame Yourself
Posted by: jbsswo
Posted on: 2003-09-06 19:29:18
Dear Mom,
Your message touched me. Please don't blame yourself anymore for your son's problems. At a certain age, your children are no longer "of your" making but become people in their own right...making their own choices both good and bad.
I empathize with your situation. Find a good Christian, Bible-teaching church. Trust in God.
May God bless you.
JBSSWO
Posted by: jbsswo
Posted on: 2003-09-06 19:29:18
Dear Mom,
Your message touched me. Please don't blame yourself anymore for your son's problems. At a certain age, your children are no longer "of your" making but become people in their own right...making their own choices both good and bad.
I empathize with your situation. Find a good Christian, Bible-teaching church. Trust in God.
May God bless you.
JBSSWO
Re been there
Posted by: canuks
Posted on: 2003-01-05 09:23:28
santow I totally agree with you there,we all know that we as parents, do our best with the knowlege we collect on parenting.Trying to raise them in a good atmosphere,but they are individuals too,and must walk the path that they CHOOSE eh?otherwise its being a control freak to tell them which way to go in life isn't it.Look at the drugs in the country, its that which makes kids choose the wrong paths,certainly not bad parenting i feel.We all know kids are easily lead by others,thats where the problem lies,their so called pals lead them in to the temptations of using drugs,so i would say lay the blame there!not parents.
Posted by: canuks
Posted on: 2003-01-05 09:23:28
santow I totally agree with you there,we all know that we as parents, do our best with the knowlege we collect on parenting.Trying to raise them in a good atmosphere,but they are individuals too,and must walk the path that they CHOOSE eh?otherwise its being a control freak to tell them which way to go in life isn't it.Look at the drugs in the country, its that which makes kids choose the wrong paths,certainly not bad parenting i feel.We all know kids are easily lead by others,thats where the problem lies,their so called pals lead them in to the temptations of using drugs,so i would say lay the blame there!not parents.
clueless
Posted by: mcatt42
Posted on: 2004-08-14 17:01:41
I don't blame for being angry, just who do they think they are? Once your children are adults and given all needed enforcement to do well, it is up to them to make something of themselves. you cannot make them, just as you couldn't when they were teenagers.
Posted by: mcatt42
Posted on: 2004-08-14 17:01:41
I don't blame for being angry, just who do they think they are? Once your children are adults and given all needed enforcement to do well, it is up to them to make something of themselves. you cannot make them, just as you couldn't when they were teenagers.
Posted by: susanlilac
Posted on: 2002-10-16 22:28:26
Do you think the parents raised the child so they could have a life? Inhertiance? Do you have any idea what the cost of prescriptions are for older people. I see ads saying invest for your childrens college fund. Are your kids saving for your retirement? I am thrilled that I never had children. I see to many people with problem kids that think their parents owe them. Some just waiting for them to die to collect insurane money. I was adopted after being abandoned at the age of 5. I would give my life for my parents. They were not wealthy, but I did get a high school education. They showed me love and cared where I was at and who I was with. I have managed to make an excellent career, that pays very well. My dad is 74 and still works 6 days a week by choice. I never miss a birthday, mothers day or fathers day. I say to my parents spend everything you got on yourselfs. I earned what I have and have some pride in that fact.
God Bless You
Posted by: poofunch
Posted on: 2002-10-28 19:39:49
Dear Susanlilac,
I just want to say your parents must be
very proud of you and they are obviously
wonderful parents. God Bless you, Dear!
All The Best,
Poofunch
Posted by: poofunch
Posted on: 2002-10-28 19:39:49
Dear Susanlilac,
I just want to say your parents must be
very proud of you and they are obviously
wonderful parents. God Bless you, Dear!
All The Best,
Poofunch
I agree..so does Suze Orman
Posted by: saulniml
Posted on: 2004-03-01 09:25:10
She says parents should have themselves paid for first before they start paying for their kids' stuff. So true!!! My dad is allowing my 22-year old sister to live at home with him and really has no way of enforcing that she pay rent, utilities, car payment, insurance, or food. He paid for her to "try" three colleges, and she works now as a waitress with a boyfriend who is 10 years older than her and has been to prison and lives with his parents too. My dad feels pity for her since my mom left us, but I turned out just fine under the same circumstances. I took out a loan for myself for college, got a degree, have a job and a husband and we live on our own with our own two cars, and are nearly debt free. And I'm only 24!!! How does this happen in the same family??? I have had personal pride and self respect since I was little, and my sister did not. Therefore, I continued doing things for myself and being praised for it, and my sister continued being a mooch and my parents only indulged her more to ease her pain of being helpless. Kind of like a mom who feeds her overweight child to make them feel better, while only increasing the problem. Now it is out of control. And my dad is not "mean" enough to kick her out. That will never ever happen to my husband and I when we have kids because we'll let them know from day one that we are not here to make their life better than ours, we are here to make them better people. Believe me, I am a therapist and teacher by day and I don't take crap from anyone!!! There is no rule I can't follow through with. Changing the locks is not a bad idea, Dr. Phil!!! Thanks for the comments, people.
Posted by: saulniml
Posted on: 2004-03-01 09:25:10
She says parents should have themselves paid for first before they start paying for their kids' stuff. So true!!! My dad is allowing my 22-year old sister to live at home with him and really has no way of enforcing that she pay rent, utilities, car payment, insurance, or food. He paid for her to "try" three colleges, and she works now as a waitress with a boyfriend who is 10 years older than her and has been to prison and lives with his parents too. My dad feels pity for her since my mom left us, but I turned out just fine under the same circumstances. I took out a loan for myself for college, got a degree, have a job and a husband and we live on our own with our own two cars, and are nearly debt free. And I'm only 24!!! How does this happen in the same family??? I have had personal pride and self respect since I was little, and my sister did not. Therefore, I continued doing things for myself and being praised for it, and my sister continued being a mooch and my parents only indulged her more to ease her pain of being helpless. Kind of like a mom who feeds her overweight child to make them feel better, while only increasing the problem. Now it is out of control. And my dad is not "mean" enough to kick her out. That will never ever happen to my husband and I when we have kids because we'll let them know from day one that we are not here to make their life better than ours, we are here to make them better people. Believe me, I am a therapist and teacher by day and I don't take crap from anyone!!! There is no rule I can't follow through with. Changing the locks is not a bad idea, Dr. Phil!!! Thanks for the comments, people.
WOW pretty harsh.....
Posted by: hrcutr
Posted on: 2002-10-17 11:27:05
for not knowing the whole situation. Sounds to me you are either the son or in a similar situation. I think it's very hard for parents to show tough love. I'm SURE she doesn't want to see her son like this and has exhausted all possibilities of helping him. But sometimes helping a child is teaching them to help themselves. I think all parents could say "if I only did this or that" hindsight is 20/20 and there are no instruction book that come with birth-- it's a learn as you go and parents- most that is do the best they can. SO I think your message was an unfair assesment after only knowing a part of a story. I say you need some help too- and that's ok ;) good luck! to you and to the lady witht he troubled son and to troubled families everywhere!
Posted by: hrcutr
Posted on: 2002-10-17 11:27:05
for not knowing the whole situation. Sounds to me you are either the son or in a similar situation. I think it's very hard for parents to show tough love. I'm SURE she doesn't want to see her son like this and has exhausted all possibilities of helping him. But sometimes helping a child is teaching them to help themselves. I think all parents could say "if I only did this or that" hindsight is 20/20 and there are no instruction book that come with birth-- it's a learn as you go and parents- most that is do the best they can. SO I think your message was an unfair assesment after only knowing a part of a story. I say you need some help too- and that's ok ;) good luck! to you and to the lady witht he troubled son and to troubled families everywhere!
Think Again Rounda
Posted by: palmina
Posted on: 2002-10-18 10:51:46
Parent's responsibility are to nourish their children with love, and teach them to become resonsible, self-sufficient and productive adults. It is unfair and unrealistic to expect parents to take the blame for the decisions their children make for the rest of their adult life. How then DO YOU teach your children to take responsiblity for their own actions??? When you hear about a child whose been killed by drunk driver, do you say...that poor drunken man, it's not his fault, I bet his parents filled his head with YOUR A LOSER...C'MON!!!!! Of course Parents should offer their support and love to their adult children. This doesn't make a parent obligated to financially subsidize irresponsible behavior!!! And whose to say every parent has enough financial resourses to support their adult kids through every mess that they put themselves in???? Aside from Dr.Phil, who can leave their children an inheritence???? LOL. One thing your right about is that yes parents have to encourage their children, to be responsible,self-sufficient and productive that is!!!! not to expect everything handed to them butknow how to earn it!!!!!!!! You need to think again Rounda!!!!!!!
Posted by: palmina
Posted on: 2002-10-18 10:51:46
Parent's responsibility are to nourish their children with love, and teach them to become resonsible, self-sufficient and productive adults. It is unfair and unrealistic to expect parents to take the blame for the decisions their children make for the rest of their adult life. How then DO YOU teach your children to take responsiblity for their own actions??? When you hear about a child whose been killed by drunk driver, do you say...that poor drunken man, it's not his fault, I bet his parents filled his head with YOUR A LOSER...C'MON!!!!! Of course Parents should offer their support and love to their adult children. This doesn't make a parent obligated to financially subsidize irresponsible behavior!!! And whose to say every parent has enough financial resourses to support their adult kids through every mess that they put themselves in???? Aside from Dr.Phil, who can leave their children an inheritence???? LOL. One thing your right about is that yes parents have to encourage their children, to be responsible,self-sufficient and productive that is!!!! not to expect everything handed to them butknow how to earn it!!!!!!!! You need to think again Rounda!!!!!!!
you go girl!
Posted by: odyssey02
Posted on: 2002-12-30 17:01:49
i think you are so right. i think parents need to teach there kids how to achive things on there own and not be a moocher. what would they do if all of a sudden there parents were gone with no money left to them.
Posted by: odyssey02
Posted on: 2002-12-30 17:01:49
i think you are so right. i think parents need to teach there kids how to achive things on there own and not be a moocher. what would they do if all of a sudden there parents were gone with no money left to them.
not full of it Dr Phil IS RIGHT
Posted by: baumann
Posted on: 2002-10-18 14:22:35
we raise our kids, but are not to be expected to support them as adults. When is enough enough, when they do not learn from their mistakes and just dont get it? We raise them with good morals, values,etc. and are we to support their newfound illegal or immoral lifestyles? I think not. No I would not throw out a pet, because pets seem to have more compassion for those who have raised them than many adult children who wont grow up do.
Posted by: baumann
Posted on: 2002-10-18 14:22:35
we raise our kids, but are not to be expected to support them as adults. When is enough enough, when they do not learn from their mistakes and just dont get it? We raise them with good morals, values,etc. and are we to support their newfound illegal or immoral lifestyles? I think not. No I would not throw out a pet, because pets seem to have more compassion for those who have raised them than many adult children who wont grow up do.
