12/04 The Role of the Man

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    what is a "man of the house"?
    Posted by: namrepsef
    Posted on: 2003-12-04 08:55:07


    I think a lot of men think if they are the breadwinner that is being a man. I feel that being a man of the house is taking on 50% of the responsibilities around the house to include, cleaning, cooking, discussing the disciplining of any children and doing it in agreement with their spouse, etc., and not to just bring home the money. If it were possible, I think every couple should trade jobs for a time so that they could really see what their significant other's career is really about. I agree with Dr. Phil that a stay at home mom is the most demanding job there is. I hope the men on the show will really consider taking on more domestic responsibilities if they aren't already. Most women would appreciate that more than anything else I think...I know I would.
      who is the man of the house
      Posted by: pchernosky
      Posted on: 2003-12-04 10:08:33


      Yes, I have to agree with you on this. The only problem, my husband has never really been a husband to me. He has two children from a previous relationship and we have a daughter together. He has taken care of his two children and his ex-wife for more than ten years now. He I have taken care of myself and my daughter most of the time. What clothes she will wear and activities she will do. He did not see that I was his wife at all. Some men just do not understand what their role really should be. My husband would put his mother, ex-wife and children way before me. I really do not know what it is to be a wife. But I certainally know what it is to a mother in my daughters life. I have left him once to see if this would change, but it only lasted a month or two. He still does not understand what I am trying to say at all.
        I agree....
        Posted by: yankeemom9
        Posted on: 2003-12-04 15:41:46


        I agree, I just went through a divorce with a man who didn't work, cheated on me online, but he loved my daughter from a previous relationship like she was his own. I think that's why I stayed with him for so long. I am now dating a man with a son from his 1st marriage, he is great with his son and treats me like a queen, but treats my daughter like an acquaintance. I don't know what to do, I've tried talking to him and he says it's because he's not used to girls, but I think there's more, just can't figure it out. My ex husband did nothing, I cooked, cleaned, worked full time and then came home to a filthy house and he would be in front of the computer talking to his "friends" whom I later found out were much more than that.
          I agree
          Posted by: lariggs
          Posted on: 2003-12-10 19:50:05


          I feel for you, but wonder why you are still with this jerk. It seems that he does nothing to better your life, except cause you heartache. I think you will be better off if you were not with him. Think of the money and the less cleaning you will have to do without him there.
          What is the reason that you are still with him? Is it so your daughter will have a father? I don't think he is a good role model for a father and would be better off if he was not in her life everyday.
          I pray that you will find the strength to leave this jerk and move on with your life. I know it will be hard at first,but in the long run you and your daughter will be better off. Good Luck!
        Man of the house
        Posted by: lshbb56
        Posted on: 2003-12-04 17:52:20


        I too agree with you. My husband does not get it. He feels because he works everyday, brings home his pay and doesn't hang out at bars, that should be enough for me. For 3 days straight he was gone hunting and doing his thing. Last night he couldn't understand why I was mad that he went to his buddies to drink and talk to his buddies new girlfriend instead of coming home to me. He promises me constantly that he is going to have to start spending more time with me and start putting me before his friends wants but the promises never come through. He apologizes, occasionally, promises again and then gets mad at me if I get bugged because, once again, he broke another promise. He makes me feel like a shrew because I am always harping on him about this. But I can't make him understand that I don't stop talking about it because he won't make the changes. I am to the point where I just want to tell him to kiss my --- because there is no man on the face of this earth who is worth my begging for attention. He doesn't want to spend time with me, doesn't touch me but will sit there and tell me he loves me. I feel more like his sister. This is a second marriage for both of us and i am afraid it is failing.
          Ishbb56
          Posted by: morenocain
          Posted on: 2003-12-04 20:33:00


          It sounds as though you sit at home and wait
          for him. Is this true? If so, no wonder he
          feels free to do whatever he chooses, he always knows exactly where you are. You have given him a 'safety' net for being gone.
          Go out, when he isn't at home, with your children. Have a life and if it should happen you are out once in a while when he gets home, fine. When he complains, don't give him any information in detail or
          rag on him, tell him you would like for him to be a part of your childrens and your life, but he needs to choose to be and you would love it IF he were.

            Posted by: doorris
            Posted on: 2003-12-04 22:55:03


            I totally agree with moreno7cai (above)! I would go a step further. Get a babysitter and when he wants to go out and play with the boys, then you go out with your friends. It's also mentally and emotionally healthy for you to touch base with them. Keeps you balanced. The worst thing you can do is isolate yourself. That is what a lot of manipulative people do to nice people; they get them isolated somehow whether it's out where they live or away from their friends. That's when abuse and/or taking advantage of someone occurs.
            moreno7cai
            Posted by: lshbb56
            Posted on: 2003-12-07 21:14:47


            Hi, thanks for the message. It is funny because my sister said pretty much the same thing you did. I have been home too much for him. I guess I am fighting an uphill battle because his father was the same way he is and all of his brothers have the same attitude. They work and bring home the majority of the money so......His brother and two of his good friends have all just gone through divorces for the same thing, lack of attention and too much drinking. Not one of them "gets it" including my husband. "The wives should have been happy because she had a house and money in the bank". Dr. Phil sure has his hands full with this one.
              To Ishbb56
              Posted by: huffma
              Posted on: 2003-12-10 20:54:48


              Sounds like you need Al-Anon in a big way. It sounds as though your husband MAY have a drinking problem. You won't be able to change your husband, but you can change yourself and get a life. You can and WILL get one if you find an Al-Anon group near you and START ATTENDING. I know; I've been there and it has helped me tremendously. You have to give it a few visits, though, but, if you keep going back, you WILL get a life outside of your husband and will feel so free! It doesn't mean that y'all will divorce or separate. Al-Anon will teach you how to focus on YOURSELF and not on someone else so much. Please give it a try. I did and my husband and I are still together and things are MUCH better.
                I can relate
                Posted by: baysidej
                Posted on: 2004-11-20 09:05:23


                I can relate to your comments. My partner & I have been together for over 9 years.We are not married but live together. He is an alcoholic who hit bottom after a cancer diagnosis a year ago. He went thru a treatment program and has been sober for a year now. We went thru counseling together but I have never been to Al-Anon. I am so proud of him. However, life has changed. We used to socialize a lot but it all revolved around drinking & I am so glad that craziness is out of our lives. Now he doesn't want to have friends or do anything with others because they drink & he doesn't want to be around it. He wants to basically avoid most social scenes. Is this normal and healthy for his situation? His job is very social & I think that's enough for him.I feel isolated and am developing a life of my own. Will this drive us apart?

          Posted by: doorris
          Posted on: 2003-12-04 21:41:55


          I'm sympathetic to what you are going through but stop harping about it. If he wanted to do differently, he would have already! He has no intention of changing. You'll still be going around in circles 60 years from now; he'll be making the same tearful promises and excuses and you'll buy into it over and over. Also, are you sitting at home waiting for him to make you happy or do you have friends and hobbies of your own? (Just asking; some women "exist for their man" and have no other outlet and so are needy. I'm not saying you are, just asking.) Remember, actions speak louder than words. No more words. You've told him and he knows it. Done. If you are unhappy, it is up to YOU to follow it up with action. It obviously doesn't bother him! When you've had enough pain, you'll do something about it to change your life for the better. He won't change unless he sees there are consequences. Good luck!
            too true
            Posted by: leroy3
            Posted on: 2003-12-06 14:01:36


            Have you been there in hell too? I have and am slowly getting out of it. One statement that Dr. Phil said that has stuck with me is, "There are no victims only volunteers..." I found myself saying poor me, poor me until one day I said enough. I did it for me not in hopes that he would change. If he doesn't get his role and feels he has done nothing wrong then let it go. A person can not make a person do anything! For all of you that have made your complaints about the so called "men" you live with--love yourself! You deserve to be happy and in a healthy relationship. Not one where you give and give. Hoping and waiting for them to change. Get on with your life. Enjoy it even if they choose not to be a part of it. I do not know any of you personally but I am SURE that you each have MANY wonder, loving qualities that they are missing.

            As for the woman who husband puts his mother, ex and children first. I have lived that for 10+ yrs. It is sad when a husband puts a mother over a wife. If you have expressed to him your sadness and he still is unwilling to change--you either have to accept it or get out. I personally am GETTING OUT! GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU! Embrace you life and go forward.
          men take women
          Posted by: jenitrana
          Posted on: 2003-12-05 00:46:55


          Men take women for granted without even realizing it because they are so raped up in this macho thing... "If I shun my friends off to be with my wife and family... they'll think I'm hen pecked" and their testosterones can't handle that.
          I have been there and done that too. I even have a beautiful step-daughter who's 8, but that's a whole other story.
          I've been with my husband for almost 18 years and there was a time I begged, yelled, and cried just to be more then a piece of furniture to him, but it wasn't until I got to a breaking point that he stood back and saw what he was going to lose. When that happened... I have never felt more loved in my life, and each day he tells me he thanks God I gave him one more chance, I am not only a woman in love, but I can say now... I am a woman being loved back.
          So to get to a point here... all the yelling, begging and crying doesn’t really work, but letting him know you won't be taken for granted anymore and sticking to it does help. Live your life for your children, and put him last... you'll feel better, your babies will love it and your mans eyes will start to open when you are not there for him like he's use too.
            Hooray!!
            Posted by: bartimaus
            Posted on: 2003-12-05 21:21:22


            Finally a woman who gets it. Why would you beg, plead, cry, or yell for attention. I mean think about it, could you imagine acting like that at the alter??? Please Please marry me. How uattractive. To get respected, you must respect oneselve's and not be willing to tolerate behavior damaging to the relationship. Not behavior you don't like, but one that actually distances you from your spouse. Unfortunately most people wait till they are at their breaking point, before they'll make a stand.
          Develop New Strategies
          Posted by: bartimaus
          Posted on: 2003-12-05 05:42:22


          If you feel like a shrew for always harping on this, then quit harping. The more you chase after something, the more it runs. I suggest when he his putting others infront of you, instead of giving him a heavy dose of lecture, try being a little quiet, try pulling away a little, but still be present. I am asking you to stand your ground, not push, not surrender but stand. Let him know, and show him that you are confident in the woman you are. When you do discuss things, stay calm, and true to the subject. Don't allow defense mechnism get you off the topic. Begin with This is how I feel, cause that's what is important, how you feel (but also realize you choose to feel that way, but regardless it is how you feel)Your asking for more time, not every minute. Focus more on your feelings and behaviors, and less on his actions. Try reading Relationship Rescue, It will help you to see more clearly through the defensiveness, and diagnose the problems in your behaviors. I know you think that if he merely shows you more attention, your problems will be fixed, but I assure you; It's a more meaningful relationship your thirsting for, not just watching the tube with your hubby. If you can get him to read an hour of the book with you everyother night, and then make a deal to allow him a night or two out with no harping. I normally hate this kind of bargaining in a relationship, but feel it can be a start. I feel that if someone wants to do something for somebody, do it, don't do it to get
            A Guy's Question
            Posted by: makaiboy
            Posted on: 2003-12-19 09:54:51


            Okay. What is it? I don't know if any other episode of Dr. Phil hit me over the head like this one. I'm NOT married yet, but I feel the same way that it sounds like so many other men feel. (I didn't know that.) When women ask those questions: "What are you thinking?" "How are you feeling?" "What's going on in your life?" I feel like I'm being invaded. If you live with me or spend any amount of time with me, I have the idea that you know what is going on AND that I really don't have anything more to give you than I've been giving. I don't know what it is for the men you've been talking about, but when I go out with guy friends, I don't feel like someone is there expecting more from me. I am me. I can act and react, but that's enough for them. I'M NOT DEFENDING MYSELF. Don't get me wrong. This show affected me, because I really want to GET IT. What things can I do that would enable the women who come into my life to feel satisfied with the level of emotional intimacy they get with me AND still feel like I'm my own person with my own boundaries?
          What it is to be a man?
          Posted by: cutielvlle
          Posted on: 2003-12-05 11:22:13


          My husband does not even work for a living,he used to be a six figure income earner and because of past mistakes could not continue his line of work. For the past 3 years I have had the responsibility of maintaining the income along with taking care of the home and two kids. He makes excuses about why he doesn't try anything else, and expects me to do the business like he did(and earn the same) while he sleeps and goes off on his own, uses my checks, credit cards etc. Why doesn't he have the "need" to be a protector and provider? Nothing has seemed to motivate him to "pick himself up" and act like a man. What Dr.Phil says is sooooo true, but he thinks everyone else doesn't know what it's like to be him and does not want to listen. He acts as if noone else has problems or struggle to have the success that they have. Financially, it would be devastating to me and the kids to leave. Emotionally, I am not connected to him at all. I feel staying to see things get better for all of us is the compassionate thing to do, but it's been years now and nothing has changed. Can a man really change to becoming a protector and provider?
            Re: What is it to be a man?
            Posted by: ttinat
            Posted on: 2003-12-05 17:28:18


            be real, hon. if you're the breadwinner, how would leaving him be financially devastating? you may have to adjust your standard of living, but that's unfortunate not a disaster. far better that your children, whether boy or girl, see a strong, responsible and self-respecting role model in you. right now they are getting the wrong picture of how mature responsible adults behave toward themselves and others. i know that leaving a known situation, no matter how unhappy, to step into the uncharted future of change can be very intimidating. good luck, be strong, and very best wishes for your future happiness.
          Is this my life?
          Posted by: gleone02
          Posted on: 2003-12-05 13:32:05


          Is this my life?
          Posted by: gleone02
          Posted on: 2003-12-05 13:37:06


          I read your story and I thought I was reading my life. I have been battling with my husband for 10 years ...friends are his life. We have been seperated now for 9 months...you know what, he does not have time to miss me...apparently his friends have filled all voids in his life. I'm not sure how long you have battled with this, but it's been 10 years for me and has never changed. My advise...get out, unless your willing to sacrifise your dignitiy for the rest of your life. Good luck!