07/22 Debate Dr. Phil
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Posted by: scout_mom
Posted on: 2003-02-18 09:30:27
Everyone I've talked to is surprised that a talk show host would have this type of show. Leave it up to Dr. Phil to face the complaints head on. I really enjoyed it.
Posted by: scout_mom
Posted on: 2003-02-18 09:30:27
Everyone I've talked to is surprised that a talk show host would have this type of show. Leave it up to Dr. Phil to face the complaints head on. I really enjoyed it.
I agree
Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-02-18 11:23:31
Dr Phil, a great show. It seemed the common thread among all those interviewed on the show is they believed they had an opinion that needed to be shared. They didn't. And I dare say "The Spanking Show" and "I'm Single and Miserable and You Guys Better Shape Up" won't do well in the rating!! Keep it up Doc!
Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-02-18 11:23:31
Dr Phil, a great show. It seemed the common thread among all those interviewed on the show is they believed they had an opinion that needed to be shared. They didn't. And I dare say "The Spanking Show" and "I'm Single and Miserable and You Guys Better Shape Up" won't do well in the rating!! Keep it up Doc!
The Truth Hurts
Posted by: haniel45
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:58:53
The truth hurts, no matter who the messenger. Someone has to say it! Excellent show! Wake up America!
Posted by: haniel45
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:58:53
The truth hurts, no matter who the messenger. Someone has to say it! Excellent show! Wake up America!
No, No. The Truth Desn't Hurt
Posted by: donnybaby
Posted on: 2003-02-18 23:33:31
Like this guy said 2000 years ago, the truth sets us free. It's exposing the lies that hurts. Love & peace, Donny
Posted by: donnybaby
Posted on: 2003-02-18 23:33:31
Like this guy said 2000 years ago, the truth sets us free. It's exposing the lies that hurts. Love & peace, Donny
Well Done Phil
Posted by: jmsoy3
Posted on: 2003-07-22 18:42:57
I enjoyed the show.
I do disagree with you on spanking though.
My mother spanked all of us once in a while when deserved just to let us know that...the line had been crossed.
That was the message Loud and Clear and this was the consequence.
Is it possible that those who do NOT believe in spanking do so because they themselves cannot control their anger?
Posted by: jmsoy3
Posted on: 2003-07-22 18:42:57
I enjoyed the show.
I do disagree with you on spanking though.
My mother spanked all of us once in a while when deserved just to let us know that...the line had been crossed.
That was the message Loud and Clear and this was the consequence.
Is it possible that those who do NOT believe in spanking do so because they themselves cannot control their anger?
The "Debaters" sounded like fools
Posted by: jeda75
Posted on: 2003-02-18 10:12:16
These people sounded like fools for disputing Dr. Phil. Some dared to rebuke him for giving HIS opinion on HIS show (because he's so influential). Most of them, when cornerned, couldn't collect their own arguments against him. They helped emphasize his points. Well done.
Posted by: jeda75
Posted on: 2003-02-18 10:12:16
These people sounded like fools for disputing Dr. Phil. Some dared to rebuke him for giving HIS opinion on HIS show (because he's so influential). Most of them, when cornerned, couldn't collect their own arguments against him. They helped emphasize his points. Well done.
Spanking is Good
Posted by: brace1985
Posted on: 2003-02-18 16:34:01
Just anted to say that I was raised up with spanking and I still love my parents. when ever I am in a trouble spot, I know what is the right choice because of my gut feeling,that my parents instilled in me.
Posted by: brace1985
Posted on: 2003-02-18 16:34:01
Just anted to say that I was raised up with spanking and I still love my parents. when ever I am in a trouble spot, I know what is the right choice because of my gut feeling,that my parents instilled in me.
To Brace 1985...Sorry, I Couldn't Resist....
Posted by: donnybaby
Posted on: 2003-02-18 16:58:43
Given what you wrote, I doubt it's a "gut" feeling your parents instilled on you. It appears more likely they instilled a "tush" feeling in you. No offense! Donny
Posted by: donnybaby
Posted on: 2003-02-18 16:58:43
Given what you wrote, I doubt it's a "gut" feeling your parents instilled on you. It appears more likely they instilled a "tush" feeling in you. No offense! Donny
brace is right
Posted by: fperk75
Posted on: 2003-02-18 18:18:45
my three brothers and myself were spanked as children only as a last result and never overboard. We are all productive responsible adults who are all still a very closenit family.I always consider the consequences before acting,and have instilled these very issues into my own 4 children. In the real world when you do something wrong you get punished. simple. A little tough love didn't hurt me. I don't know where I'd be without it
Posted by: fperk75
Posted on: 2003-02-18 18:18:45
my three brothers and myself were spanked as children only as a last result and never overboard. We are all productive responsible adults who are all still a very closenit family.I always consider the consequences before acting,and have instilled these very issues into my own 4 children. In the real world when you do something wrong you get punished. simple. A little tough love didn't hurt me. I don't know where I'd be without it
Yeah but...
Posted by: softsarah
Posted on: 2003-02-18 21:26:46
Who I would really like to talk to are the people who know you.I know a lot of people who were spanked as children they say the same thing. Yet, I would say that it is very difficult living with them and thier S&M tendencies,cold and not very compassionate people (a lot of times),self-loving types,rigid and self-involved. I would just say that it just makes it hell on anyone who has to interact with them on a deep personal level.Especially if they are a more giving,loving,compassionate type person!
Posted by: softsarah
Posted on: 2003-02-18 21:26:46
Who I would really like to talk to are the people who know you.I know a lot of people who were spanked as children they say the same thing. Yet, I would say that it is very difficult living with them and thier S&M tendencies,cold and not very compassionate people (a lot of times),self-loving types,rigid and self-involved. I would just say that it just makes it hell on anyone who has to interact with them on a deep personal level.Especially if they are a more giving,loving,compassionate type person!
spanking is optional
Posted by: lisalit3
Posted on: 2003-02-18 22:28:31
Ithink spanking should be a last resort but Ido believe in spanking. I have 2 teenagers and they got a few spankings and I think they are doing pretty good so far.I was spanked 2 times that I can remember and trust me I never did what I was punished for. I do believe there is a certain age when spankings should stop.
Posted by: lisalit3
Posted on: 2003-02-18 22:28:31
Ithink spanking should be a last resort but Ido believe in spanking. I have 2 teenagers and they got a few spankings and I think they are doing pretty good so far.I was spanked 2 times that I can remember and trust me I never did what I was punished for. I do believe there is a certain age when spankings should stop.
reply to fperk75
Posted by: angelic_1
Posted on: 2003-02-20 01:58:29
Yes, in the real world when you do something wrong you do get punished. But in the "real world" which I am preparing my two children for, the punishments don't ever involve being struck by another person, so I don't think spanking children prepares them for the consequences they will face as adults. If you speed, you get a ticket and a fine. If you cheat on your taxes, you go to jail. If you harm someone, same thing. But nowhere in "real" life do the consequences for poor choices or moral lax involve being hit. Even prison guards are not allowed to strike prisoners. So in my opinion, hitting does NOT prepare a child for the real world. I believe the same TYPES of consequences that they will face as adults should be used to prepare them for life. Though my children are well-behaved, my older son occasionally gets "fined" for a misbehavior by losing his allowance. If he is not where he is supposed to be doing what he is supposed to be doing, he is grounded. (kiddie jail, to an 8-yr-old). If he is not a good care-taker of his things (leaves his toys, etc, lying around the living room) he loses these items for a time. I am all for tough love and teaching accountability to children. I just think that it's better to link the behaviors to their consequences as clearly as possible. Hitting is not used as a consequence in adulthood, so I don't view it as a way to prepare my children for adulthood.
Posted by: angelic_1
Posted on: 2003-02-20 01:58:29
Yes, in the real world when you do something wrong you do get punished. But in the "real world" which I am preparing my two children for, the punishments don't ever involve being struck by another person, so I don't think spanking children prepares them for the consequences they will face as adults. If you speed, you get a ticket and a fine. If you cheat on your taxes, you go to jail. If you harm someone, same thing. But nowhere in "real" life do the consequences for poor choices or moral lax involve being hit. Even prison guards are not allowed to strike prisoners. So in my opinion, hitting does NOT prepare a child for the real world. I believe the same TYPES of consequences that they will face as adults should be used to prepare them for life. Though my children are well-behaved, my older son occasionally gets "fined" for a misbehavior by losing his allowance. If he is not where he is supposed to be doing what he is supposed to be doing, he is grounded. (kiddie jail, to an 8-yr-old). If he is not a good care-taker of his things (leaves his toys, etc, lying around the living room) he loses these items for a time. I am all for tough love and teaching accountability to children. I just think that it's better to link the behaviors to their consequences as clearly as possible. Hitting is not used as a consequence in adulthood, so I don't view it as a way to prepare my children for adulthood.
getting hit
Posted by: jtbeckett
Posted on: 2003-03-28 02:17:33
I agree with you 99%
I don't think spanking a child is a consequence that imitates the consequences they will be facing as an adult. I will, most likely, though, end up at some point slapping my child's hand when they reach out to touch a hot stove, and then apologize to them and explain why I did it later. I may even end up spanking my child on the bottom if I have repeatedly told them not to play in the street, and they manage to somehow sneak out into the street over and over. Sometimes, the consequence of being spanked on the bottom is enough to help avoid the consequence of burning your hand, or being struck by a car.
I hope that I will be a good enough parent, that I will never have to resort to physical punishments like that. I hope that my children will be so accustomed to my approval that all I have to do is to shoot a disapproving look their direction when they know they ought to behave differently. (We all dream of that.) But if it ever comes down to the immediate safety of my kids, I will do whatever is needed to protect them.
Posted by: jtbeckett
Posted on: 2003-03-28 02:17:33
I agree with you 99%
I don't think spanking a child is a consequence that imitates the consequences they will be facing as an adult. I will, most likely, though, end up at some point slapping my child's hand when they reach out to touch a hot stove, and then apologize to them and explain why I did it later. I may even end up spanking my child on the bottom if I have repeatedly told them not to play in the street, and they manage to somehow sneak out into the street over and over. Sometimes, the consequence of being spanked on the bottom is enough to help avoid the consequence of burning your hand, or being struck by a car.
I hope that I will be a good enough parent, that I will never have to resort to physical punishments like that. I hope that my children will be so accustomed to my approval that all I have to do is to shoot a disapproving look their direction when they know they ought to behave differently. (We all dream of that.) But if it ever comes down to the immediate safety of my kids, I will do whatever is needed to protect them.
Reply to Angelic 1
Posted by: fergie65
Posted on: 2003-07-22 18:28:47
Amen Angelic! I completely agree with you. There is absolutely no reason to ever strike a child. There is no lesson that a child can take away from that exposure that could even remotely be considered as positive. I have seen the lasting effects that this type of action has caused first hand and they are now grown adults with anger management/control issues.
Posted by: fergie65
Posted on: 2003-07-22 18:28:47
Amen Angelic! I completely agree with you. There is absolutely no reason to ever strike a child. There is no lesson that a child can take away from that exposure that could even remotely be considered as positive. I have seen the lasting effects that this type of action has caused first hand and they are now grown adults with anger management/control issues.
brace is right
Posted by: bradleylin
Posted on: 2003-02-20 13:28:12
Pain sends a warning. When you touch a hot stove it not only hurts and gets your attention immdeidately but you don't want to do it again. I was also spanked and love and respect my parents. I was warned my child would be more aggressive, angry and even hit me back if I spanked him...he's 4 and that has never happened, nor did I ever hit my parents. For us, spanking works and I am confident my child will not suffer emotional disturbance from this..nor will other children if it is done appropriately.
Posted by: bradleylin
Posted on: 2003-02-20 13:28:12
Pain sends a warning. When you touch a hot stove it not only hurts and gets your attention immdeidately but you don't want to do it again. I was also spanked and love and respect my parents. I was warned my child would be more aggressive, angry and even hit me back if I spanked him...he's 4 and that has never happened, nor did I ever hit my parents. For us, spanking works and I am confident my child will not suffer emotional disturbance from this..nor will other children if it is done appropriately.
What Then?
Posted by: bjboltfan
Posted on: 2003-07-22 12:39:01
My question for the spankers out there is what happens when at age 16 or so your son is 6'3", weighs 175, and you can't spank him anymore. Just when he most needs guidance and discipline to make the right choices you'll have to learn a new way to "control" him. Wouldn't you be better off using a more respectful and less violent form of discipline from the beginning?
Posted by: bjboltfan
Posted on: 2003-07-22 12:39:01
My question for the spankers out there is what happens when at age 16 or so your son is 6'3", weighs 175, and you can't spank him anymore. Just when he most needs guidance and discipline to make the right choices you'll have to learn a new way to "control" him. Wouldn't you be better off using a more respectful and less violent form of discipline from the beginning?
Answer
Posted by: beherns5
Posted on: 2004-04-02 21:53:51
Well if you are raising them right from the beginning including spanking them you won't need to spank them at that age. Spanking is not something you should have to even do later on if you raise them right in the beginning.
Posted by: beherns5
Posted on: 2004-04-02 21:53:51
Well if you are raising them right from the beginning including spanking them you won't need to spank them at that age. Spanking is not something you should have to even do later on if you raise them right in the beginning.
Another possibility for Brace
Posted by: lgoeltz
Posted on: 2003-07-22 17:17:03
I'm sure your parents didn't just spank you and walk off. There was a stern look, a lecture, something. That is what makes you remember to do the right thing. The good parenting that you received is what makes you know right from wrong. The actual slap does nothing but instill fear, and "in the real world," adults aren't hit by other adults when they run into a street, they are hit by cars. I explained that fact to my 2 children and they never tried it again. A time out teaches a child that adults who don't share, aren't "nice" are without friends, left alone. They aren't hit.
Posted by: lgoeltz
Posted on: 2003-07-22 17:17:03
I'm sure your parents didn't just spank you and walk off. There was a stern look, a lecture, something. That is what makes you remember to do the right thing. The good parenting that you received is what makes you know right from wrong. The actual slap does nothing but instill fear, and "in the real world," adults aren't hit by other adults when they run into a street, they are hit by cars. I explained that fact to my 2 children and they never tried it again. A time out teaches a child that adults who don't share, aren't "nice" are without friends, left alone. They aren't hit.
I don't spank and my kids are great
Posted by: schurmanmo
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:28:20
My children are ages 9 and 7. I have not spanked my children in over 6 years and they toe the line with me. The action of spanking is a physical action on the part of the parent, what we are trying to accomplish when parenting (I assume)is to raise responsible individuals, who can think or themselves and weigh out the consequence to make an educated decision.
While I agree that there are children who are spanked (me being one of them) who have grown into great adults, this is not the only way. So I have to ask why not use the least intrusive method and not hit?
Posted by: schurmanmo
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:28:20
My children are ages 9 and 7. I have not spanked my children in over 6 years and they toe the line with me. The action of spanking is a physical action on the part of the parent, what we are trying to accomplish when parenting (I assume)is to raise responsible individuals, who can think or themselves and weigh out the consequence to make an educated decision.
While I agree that there are children who are spanked (me being one of them) who have grown into great adults, this is not the only way. So I have to ask why not use the least intrusive method and not hit?
...and then what?
Posted by: lynnie42
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:40:20
as a professional in the field....I ask those who spank what they are planning to do as the child gets older - even as a teenager?? I see teens - who as young children have been spanked - and they learn that hitting (spanking) is the only way to get someone's attention or to deal with a problem. How is a mom (or dad) going to "spank" a 16 year old who towers over them?
Posted by: lynnie42
Posted on: 2003-02-18 19:40:20
as a professional in the field....I ask those who spank what they are planning to do as the child gets older - even as a teenager?? I see teens - who as young children have been spanked - and they learn that hitting (spanking) is the only way to get someone's attention or to deal with a problem. How is a mom (or dad) going to "spank" a 16 year old who towers over them?
