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Posted by: sdbelt
Posted on: 2004-02-25 10:03:45
In Europe it is custom that when a female marries she leaves her family home and moves into her spouses' family home. They often have double decker duplex style housing. My sister and I have lived at home with our parents for years and both worked full-time and helped with expenses. It is too hard to live on a single persons income in America. If the parents raised thier children correctly, with the right morals and ethics, they wouldn't have dead beats for children.
Posted by: sdbelt
Posted on: 2004-02-25 10:03:45
In Europe it is custom that when a female marries she leaves her family home and moves into her spouses' family home. They often have double decker duplex style housing. My sister and I have lived at home with our parents for years and both worked full-time and helped with expenses. It is too hard to live on a single persons income in America. If the parents raised thier children correctly, with the right morals and ethics, they wouldn't have dead beats for children.
Expensive to live in America
Posted by: dianehope
Posted on: 2004-02-25 11:20:16
Your comment about it being expensive to live in America struck me the wrong way. If you have a job and a steady income, it is not to hard to figure out a budget and determine what type of lifestyle you can lead. The old saying a bicycle pocketbook with a Mercedes appetite would fit. If you have more bills than income, you either get another job or find ways to cut corners. Anyone can live on any amount of income, if they try hard enough. I find it hard to believe that if you are physically and mentally able, that you can not find work. If I had to dig a ditch or clean toilets or pick up garbage, I would do whatever was necessary to make sure I took care of my responsibilites. Life is as easy or as hard as you make it; however, don't expect your family to pick you up and pay your way in life.
Posted by: dianehope
Posted on: 2004-02-25 11:20:16
Your comment about it being expensive to live in America struck me the wrong way. If you have a job and a steady income, it is not to hard to figure out a budget and determine what type of lifestyle you can lead. The old saying a bicycle pocketbook with a Mercedes appetite would fit. If you have more bills than income, you either get another job or find ways to cut corners. Anyone can live on any amount of income, if they try hard enough. I find it hard to believe that if you are physically and mentally able, that you can not find work. If I had to dig a ditch or clean toilets or pick up garbage, I would do whatever was necessary to make sure I took care of my responsibilites. Life is as easy or as hard as you make it; however, don't expect your family to pick you up and pay your way in life.
Wants vs. Needs
Posted by: teach_mom
Posted on: 2004-02-25 12:21:37
I graduated from college with a liberal arts background. No high paying entry level position for me. My mom gave me a 5 year old car and her best wishes-she was no longer reponsible for me financially. My roommate (a college friend in the same situation) worked as an admin. assistant and I sold shoes. We rented a 2 bedroom apartment, slept on matresses on the floor, had a couch and a TV. I paid my bills and lived from paycheck to paycheck. I went back to school part-time to get a more marketable degree. The point here is I WORKED at bettering my situation. The 3 years that I was working on my advanced degree would have gone by anyway. Now, 15 years later, I am an educator, doing a job I love and making a difference, the money is not bad either. I have a great husband and wonderful children. Life is what YOU make it.
Posted by: teach_mom
Posted on: 2004-02-25 12:21:37
I graduated from college with a liberal arts background. No high paying entry level position for me. My mom gave me a 5 year old car and her best wishes-she was no longer reponsible for me financially. My roommate (a college friend in the same situation) worked as an admin. assistant and I sold shoes. We rented a 2 bedroom apartment, slept on matresses on the floor, had a couch and a TV. I paid my bills and lived from paycheck to paycheck. I went back to school part-time to get a more marketable degree. The point here is I WORKED at bettering my situation. The 3 years that I was working on my advanced degree would have gone by anyway. Now, 15 years later, I am an educator, doing a job I love and making a difference, the money is not bad either. I have a great husband and wonderful children. Life is what YOU make it.
INCOME NOT BAD????
Posted by: kay426
Posted on: 2004-02-25 14:30:30
I sure would like to know where you teach. I find teachers' salaries low to the point of disgrace. I don't think most people understand the scope of a teachers' job just from a paperwork standpoint. For example: If a high school teachers has 170 students (not unusual in my State) and gives one-page assignments: 1 homework, 1 worksheet/lab, 1 quiz, per week. That is 510 pieces of paper (a REAM of paper is 500 sheets) per 5 days...average 102 pieces/day, of paper that teacher has to go through; each page requiring review/time spent. That is 510 grades that have to be entered into some type of gradebook. Not to mention all the administrative paperwork that is required...and it is a LOT. Plus present, what amounts to a new presentation EVERY day. This with disciplining students, and all the parent/teacher stuff. I think teachers are way underpaid. [Remember, the above is just an example the numbers would vary due to students not doing the work and absences, though absences normally causes makeup work so papers still exist.]
Posted by: kay426
Posted on: 2004-02-25 14:30:30
I sure would like to know where you teach. I find teachers' salaries low to the point of disgrace. I don't think most people understand the scope of a teachers' job just from a paperwork standpoint. For example: If a high school teachers has 170 students (not unusual in my State) and gives one-page assignments: 1 homework, 1 worksheet/lab, 1 quiz, per week. That is 510 pieces of paper (a REAM of paper is 500 sheets) per 5 days...average 102 pieces/day, of paper that teacher has to go through; each page requiring review/time spent. That is 510 grades that have to be entered into some type of gradebook. Not to mention all the administrative paperwork that is required...and it is a LOT. Plus present, what amounts to a new presentation EVERY day. This with disciplining students, and all the parent/teacher stuff. I think teachers are way underpaid. [Remember, the above is just an example the numbers would vary due to students not doing the work and absences, though absences normally causes makeup work so papers still exist.]
Underpaid Workers
Posted by: stormnut
Posted on: 2004-02-25 15:31:38
It's no secret that one of the reasons that children move back into their parents home is because today's wages are far less then that of 15-20 years ago. My sister used to be a flight attendant earning $36,000 a year until they cut back wages. Now a newly hired flight attendant will be lucky to start out at $17,000 a year. In my opinion, some of the highest paid people in America should be our teachers, our police officers, our rescue personel which should include Nurses and Doctors. Even doctor salaries have been severly cut because of HMO's and PPO's and many have quit because of malpractice insurance costs. Today's wages are far less then in the past and everything from Gas, Food, Housing, Healthcare, and Insurance continues to climb. It's no wonder why so many children live with their parents. America needs to get back on track and start taking care of our own citizens.
Posted by: stormnut
Posted on: 2004-02-25 15:31:38
It's no secret that one of the reasons that children move back into their parents home is because today's wages are far less then that of 15-20 years ago. My sister used to be a flight attendant earning $36,000 a year until they cut back wages. Now a newly hired flight attendant will be lucky to start out at $17,000 a year. In my opinion, some of the highest paid people in America should be our teachers, our police officers, our rescue personel which should include Nurses and Doctors. Even doctor salaries have been severly cut because of HMO's and PPO's and many have quit because of malpractice insurance costs. Today's wages are far less then in the past and everything from Gas, Food, Housing, Healthcare, and Insurance continues to climb. It's no wonder why so many children live with their parents. America needs to get back on track and start taking care of our own citizens.
Posted by: ladyvip
Posted on: 2004-02-25 15:45:50
Kick out those who are not here legally. That would be a good start to reducing the cost of welfare and education.
As for teachers being highly paid. I'm sorry, but I am NOT willing to be taxed to death to pay 75K a year for a teacher when we make 30K a year less--I will not do it and I dare say if folks would be stop looking to schools as daycare, they would revolt over such a thing too. I think the average of near 50K now with outstanding benefits is plenty for the time being. If cost of living and other salaries begin to edge up, then that can be reviewed. Also, I'd like to see teacher's unions out of it. They prop up folks who don't deserve a job, must less one teaching children. Let outstanding teachers make up to 75K. The mediocre ones can stay in a mediocre salary range imo. This would be the same in the private sector and should be expected in the public sector as well.
Posted by: bullet03
Posted on: 2004-02-25 19:05:00
I agree. We need to focus on people who pay taxes and work their butts off to be American, and stop catering to those who are illegal and use this country and our tax money.
boy do I agree!!
Posted by: mekagirl
Posted on: 2004-02-25 22:10:49
I live in Canada and ALL teachers are paid ridiculously large sums of money - pay the good ones and get rid of the bad ones - I used to work in on campus recruitment and I tell you, the education students were SOOO STUPID sometimes - the ones who were a little older were much more mature and smarter too.
I think you have to get deadbeat people off the welfare payroll and also encourage kids to be self sufficient
I know so many parents who pay for their kids' educations and they goof off and don't care because the kids didn't earn it themeselves. We can't spoon feed kids these days because it gives them no incentive to go forward!
This is coming from someone who sees a spoiled brat of a kid (22) (hubby's nephew)living at grandma's house so that he dosen't have to pay rent, or food, and gets waited on hand and foot - why would he leave?? And he makes more than my husband or I do!!!
Posted by: mekagirl
Posted on: 2004-02-25 22:10:49
I live in Canada and ALL teachers are paid ridiculously large sums of money - pay the good ones and get rid of the bad ones - I used to work in on campus recruitment and I tell you, the education students were SOOO STUPID sometimes - the ones who were a little older were much more mature and smarter too.
I think you have to get deadbeat people off the welfare payroll and also encourage kids to be self sufficient
I know so many parents who pay for their kids' educations and they goof off and don't care because the kids didn't earn it themeselves. We can't spoon feed kids these days because it gives them no incentive to go forward!
This is coming from someone who sees a spoiled brat of a kid (22) (hubby's nephew)living at grandma's house so that he dosen't have to pay rent, or food, and gets waited on hand and foot - why would he leave?? And he makes more than my husband or I do!!!
VOTE FOR RALPH NADER!!!!
Posted by: autumnskyx
Posted on: 2004-02-26 09:37:45
Or Oprah but she's not running! :( Can you imagine Oprah as President and Dr. Phil her Vice President? Think about it Oprah! ;)
Posted by: autumnskyx
Posted on: 2004-02-26 09:37:45
Or Oprah but she's not running! :( Can you imagine Oprah as President and Dr. Phil her Vice President? Think about it Oprah! ;)
not always
Posted by: wxwmn02
Posted on: 2004-03-03 14:48:14
I would have to disagree about parents paying for tuition. My parents paid for my tuition and I never once screwed around like you claim we do. I didn't live on campus or even in the same town which probably made a difference, but I knew what I was there to do and why I needed an education and now I have a bachelors degree and a wonderful career. On top of that I never decided to move back with my parents because I knew it was my responsibility to get out there and live life. I now own my own home and I just bought a new car.
I appreciate my parents paying my tuition. Because once I got out of school, I had no debt. Most folks that get out of school have huge debt from school loans and can't afford anything, but apartment life. I, on the other hand, was able to get a house because I had no other debt.
My point is that some of us are responsible and know what it takes to succeed in life.
Posted by: wxwmn02
Posted on: 2004-03-03 14:48:14
I would have to disagree about parents paying for tuition. My parents paid for my tuition and I never once screwed around like you claim we do. I didn't live on campus or even in the same town which probably made a difference, but I knew what I was there to do and why I needed an education and now I have a bachelors degree and a wonderful career. On top of that I never decided to move back with my parents because I knew it was my responsibility to get out there and live life. I now own my own home and I just bought a new car.
I appreciate my parents paying my tuition. Because once I got out of school, I had no debt. Most folks that get out of school have huge debt from school loans and can't afford anything, but apartment life. I, on the other hand, was able to get a house because I had no other debt.
My point is that some of us are responsible and know what it takes to succeed in life.
wxwmn02:
Posted by: lyndish
Posted on: 2004-03-03 14:54:48
That's nice. If your parents are living just as well as you are, if not better, then that's even nicer!
Posted by: lyndish
Posted on: 2004-03-03 14:54:48
That's nice. If your parents are living just as well as you are, if not better, then that's even nicer!
Let'ds Not Stereotype
Posted by: tiatula
Posted on: 2004-08-13 15:18:17
Adult children can be irresponsibe or responsibe regardless of where they live. I knew several people who lived with their parents (in ,my case my mother after the sudden death of my father)who paid their way, did a fair share of the work and were reponsible people. Not all adults who live with their parents are parasites. In many cases the relationship between parent and adult child is symbiotic and everyone benefits. There need to be rules but each case needs to be judged by how well it works for those involved. I have two college age sons. One is away most of the time now and the other comes home on vacations. But, even when they were teenagers, they were responsible doing their own laundry, not expecting Mom to cook all the time. I miss my son's low fat eggwhite burritos. It worked out fine then and would be fine if they needed to move back in during a transition period.
I live on Long Island, NY and the taxes here are high but life is good. Many parents complain that the taxes are forcing their children away. It is not easy to start out even if they work hard.
Posted by: tiatula
Posted on: 2004-08-13 15:18:17
Adult children can be irresponsibe or responsibe regardless of where they live. I knew several people who lived with their parents (in ,my case my mother after the sudden death of my father)who paid their way, did a fair share of the work and were reponsible people. Not all adults who live with their parents are parasites. In many cases the relationship between parent and adult child is symbiotic and everyone benefits. There need to be rules but each case needs to be judged by how well it works for those involved. I have two college age sons. One is away most of the time now and the other comes home on vacations. But, even when they were teenagers, they were responsible doing their own laundry, not expecting Mom to cook all the time. I miss my son's low fat eggwhite burritos. It worked out fine then and would be fine if they needed to move back in during a transition period.
I live on Long Island, NY and the taxes here are high but life is good. Many parents complain that the taxes are forcing their children away. It is not easy to start out even if they work hard.
Unfortunate
Posted by: jenoud1
Posted on: 2004-02-26 21:27:26
It is unfortunate that you place such little value on those who educate our future. As a biologist, I am surrounded by scientists who choose industry over education because it paid a salary in which they can support their families. Teachers ARE underpaid and, as a result, we are losing good teachers to other fields. I would appsolutely pay a higher tax toward a future of well educated individuals.
Posted by: jenoud1
Posted on: 2004-02-26 21:27:26
It is unfortunate that you place such little value on those who educate our future. As a biologist, I am surrounded by scientists who choose industry over education because it paid a salary in which they can support their families. Teachers ARE underpaid and, as a result, we are losing good teachers to other fields. I would appsolutely pay a higher tax toward a future of well educated individuals.
Higher Tax?
Posted by: samban
Posted on: 2004-08-18 20:53:03
I am afraid we can't afford a higher tax. How about the government just stop wasting money and putting the money in education where it belongs.
Posted by: samban
Posted on: 2004-08-18 20:53:03
I am afraid we can't afford a higher tax. How about the government just stop wasting money and putting the money in education where it belongs.
need better information
Posted by: pilarmia
Posted on: 2004-08-14 08:02:45
Unfortunately you have your "facts" wrong about kicking the illegal and lowering welfare. The vast majority of welfare recipients are single mothers and children. They are Americans and they are the poor. The poor and the illegal have a right to a better education, we all do. A proper education will not only benefit the country as a whole but decrease welfare. As a child of legal immigrants and a college graduate I can guarantee you education is accessible to all who WANT it. I paid for my education by paying for it entirely myself.
Posted by: pilarmia
Posted on: 2004-08-14 08:02:45
Unfortunately you have your "facts" wrong about kicking the illegal and lowering welfare. The vast majority of welfare recipients are single mothers and children. They are Americans and they are the poor. The poor and the illegal have a right to a better education, we all do. A proper education will not only benefit the country as a whole but decrease welfare. As a child of legal immigrants and a college graduate I can guarantee you education is accessible to all who WANT it. I paid for my education by paying for it entirely myself.
Walk in their shoes
Posted by: pegmcg9
Posted on: 2004-08-14 18:08:09
ladyvip
You should try teaching. I'm sorry you are so unsympathetic about teachers and their salaries. What you earn for a living has nothing to do with what we should pay teachers. Why not try dealing with the "sad excuse of a parent" parent who points their finger at everyone else for their child's troubles at school. Add to that the child who just doesn't want to get an education and causes constant disruptions in class thereby making it difficult for every other student who wants an education. After working a 9 or more hour day, bring home dozens of papers to be graded. Then attend a class at night to receive the continuing CEU's that teachers are required to complete without receiving reimbursement. Make sure you're next day's assignments are prepared and find some time to study and do your own homework. Do you think 50K is outstanding? Tell me about the wonderful benefits teachers get? Sounds to me like you're one of those people who undervalue teachers and all that they do to give their students the best education possible.
Posted by: pegmcg9
Posted on: 2004-08-14 18:08:09
ladyvip
You should try teaching. I'm sorry you are so unsympathetic about teachers and their salaries. What you earn for a living has nothing to do with what we should pay teachers. Why not try dealing with the "sad excuse of a parent" parent who points their finger at everyone else for their child's troubles at school. Add to that the child who just doesn't want to get an education and causes constant disruptions in class thereby making it difficult for every other student who wants an education. After working a 9 or more hour day, bring home dozens of papers to be graded. Then attend a class at night to receive the continuing CEU's that teachers are required to complete without receiving reimbursement. Make sure you're next day's assignments are prepared and find some time to study and do your own homework. Do you think 50K is outstanding? Tell me about the wonderful benefits teachers get? Sounds to me like you're one of those people who undervalue teachers and all that they do to give their students the best education possible.
Posted by: imatgrrl
Posted on: 2004-08-15 18:19:43
Where in the world do you live that the average teacher's salary is 50k? I have been teaching for 9 years and made $27,300 on my last tax return. Consider, too, that I have a degree (stdnt loans) and am required to keep my certification up (more classes.) I was named teacher of the year in my county, so I believe that I am doing a good job. However, I refuse to be poor forever. I am going to go back to school and begin another career. That is sad for me (I love to teach) and sad for the kids (I am a good teacher.) If you want excellence, you are going to have to pay for it. Are you saying that an educated populace is not something you are willing to pay for? Do you pay for cable TV? Where are your priorities?
Teacher raises
Posted by: samban
Posted on: 2004-08-18 20:53:49
Teacher raises in Canada are a dubious thing. When the teacher gets a raise which amounts to about $50-$100 more per month after taxes the school lays off a teacher or two to compensate so the teachers do more work in their already overworked schedule. As a teacher I would like a raise (who wouldn't?) but I would rather the school hire another teacher so I have a smaller class or less classes to teach.
Posted by: samban
Posted on: 2004-08-18 20:53:49
Teacher raises in Canada are a dubious thing. When the teacher gets a raise which amounts to about $50-$100 more per month after taxes the school lays off a teacher or two to compensate so the teachers do more work in their already overworked schedule. As a teacher I would like a raise (who wouldn't?) but I would rather the school hire another teacher so I have a smaller class or less classes to teach.
Posted by: ladyvip
Posted on: 2004-02-25 15:49:26
Rubbish. They move home because they can't maintain a standard of living they want on the income they make.
I made about the same as the starting salary for flight attendants as a licensed professional back in the mid-90's. I roomed with other people and lived on a budget. Not once, even before that when I was making 6 bucks an hour while going to college did I move back with my folks, not once! If there is a will, there is a way. Most adult CHILDREN are too lazy, don't have the problem solving skills, and don't know how to budget and they have parents who coddle them way past the time to be doing so.
