07/15 A Family Divided, Part 8
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Posted by: mattzangel
Posted on: 2003-11-13 07:31:07
Alex's decision to keep her baby was a good one ..god has everything happen for a reason and in her circumstances things may not look good with her family but that doesn't mean that she can't give her baby a good life. I was brought up where people did drugs all the time and I am just fine ..I did get pregnant at a young age (16) but my children are fine and HAPPY! That is all that matters! If it's money that everyone thinks of ..well even families who have lots of money have struggles at times so whats the difference ...I personally think that she doing a wonderful job ...She would have been the one to have to deal with it not anyone else!
Posted by: mattzangel
Posted on: 2003-11-13 07:31:07
Alex's decision to keep her baby was a good one ..god has everything happen for a reason and in her circumstances things may not look good with her family but that doesn't mean that she can't give her baby a good life. I was brought up where people did drugs all the time and I am just fine ..I did get pregnant at a young age (16) but my children are fine and HAPPY! That is all that matters! If it's money that everyone thinks of ..well even families who have lots of money have struggles at times so whats the difference ...I personally think that she doing a wonderful job ...She would have been the one to have to deal with it not anyone else!
Poor Nathan
Posted by: mollieduck
Posted on: 2003-11-13 11:29:37
It makes me very sad that this family did not listen to the advice that Dr. Phil gave them. He suggested 100 times for them to give this baby up to a happy home, so he can have a good healthy happy life.
Instead he's caught up in this mess of a family that has no values or respect for each other. I understand they love the baby, but that isn't going to help the baby live a happy or healthy life. SHEESH!! He could have had a wonderful, beautiful peaceful life. Poor Nathan!!
Mollie Duck
Posted by: mollieduck
Posted on: 2003-11-13 11:29:37
It makes me very sad that this family did not listen to the advice that Dr. Phil gave them. He suggested 100 times for them to give this baby up to a happy home, so he can have a good healthy happy life.
Instead he's caught up in this mess of a family that has no values or respect for each other. I understand they love the baby, but that isn't going to help the baby live a happy or healthy life. SHEESH!! He could have had a wonderful, beautiful peaceful life. Poor Nathan!!
Mollie Duck
he did not
Posted by: teaminc
Posted on: 2003-11-13 12:05:50
Dr phil never suggested to put this baby up for adoption. He simply wanted her to view both sides. Adoption vs keeping the baby. He never said "you need to give this baby up for adoption. If you listen to him carefully he never really tells anyone what to do, he simply asks the questions that need to be asked so they themselves can answer their own questions.
Posted by: teaminc
Posted on: 2003-11-13 12:05:50
Dr phil never suggested to put this baby up for adoption. He simply wanted her to view both sides. Adoption vs keeping the baby. He never said "you need to give this baby up for adoption. If you listen to him carefully he never really tells anyone what to do, he simply asks the questions that need to be asked so they themselves can answer their own questions.
Disagree
Posted by: caaarobert
Posted on: 2003-11-13 15:30:27
As much as i enjoy Dr. Phil, he is famous for saying, "Listen to me, i'm right!" So i dissagree with you on him not telling people what to do, he does. He's always right!
Posted by: caaarobert
Posted on: 2003-11-13 15:30:27
As much as i enjoy Dr. Phil, he is famous for saying, "Listen to me, i'm right!" So i dissagree with you on him not telling people what to do, he does. He's always right!
this is all crazy.
Posted by: twinkey72
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:19:09
Dr. Phil never tells anyone what to do. Is he right the majority of the time yes he is but he never makes anyone do something they don choose for themselves to do. So i do disagree with you on that one. I can understand if alex was abusive or her family abused her did drugs drank all day and starved the family to then give the baby up for adoption but this is not the case. Yes they have faults like we all do and yes things can be better but when it comes to supplying for the family these parents do that. Marty is a weird man he just answers to whatever he thinks dr.phil wants him to answer too. But thats besides the point. Your thinking of the damage alex can do to this baby but your forgetting that she really loves her child and although she misses her teenage life she loves her child that much to give that all up and that should show us that the baby is not in bad hands but that child does have people that love them so its stupid to me that people will still be speaking on why she didnt choose to adopt. Your not in her shoes and theres so much worries about the baby and how Nathan will turn out but what about the damage it would do to alex whos a young girl having to give away her first born son? Good job Alex!
Posted by: twinkey72
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:19:09
Dr. Phil never tells anyone what to do. Is he right the majority of the time yes he is but he never makes anyone do something they don choose for themselves to do. So i do disagree with you on that one. I can understand if alex was abusive or her family abused her did drugs drank all day and starved the family to then give the baby up for adoption but this is not the case. Yes they have faults like we all do and yes things can be better but when it comes to supplying for the family these parents do that. Marty is a weird man he just answers to whatever he thinks dr.phil wants him to answer too. But thats besides the point. Your thinking of the damage alex can do to this baby but your forgetting that she really loves her child and although she misses her teenage life she loves her child that much to give that all up and that should show us that the baby is not in bad hands but that child does have people that love them so its stupid to me that people will still be speaking on why she didnt choose to adopt. Your not in her shoes and theres so much worries about the baby and how Nathan will turn out but what about the damage it would do to alex whos a young girl having to give away her first born son? Good job Alex!
Dr. Phil
Posted by: mollieduck
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:27:22
The best thing about Dr. Phil is he doesn't *Tell* people *what* to do, but he does highly *suggest* the *right* thing to do. But ya gotta listen to hear it.
This family doesn't LISTEN, and they can't hear what he's suggesting. The children are spoiled, and those parents are a mess. The look on Dr. Phil's face speaks worlds, he's fed up, he's got his hands tied. This prayers for you Dr.Phil!!
Mollie Duck
Posted by: mollieduck
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:27:22
The best thing about Dr. Phil is he doesn't *Tell* people *what* to do, but he does highly *suggest* the *right* thing to do. But ya gotta listen to hear it.
This family doesn't LISTEN, and they can't hear what he's suggesting. The children are spoiled, and those parents are a mess. The look on Dr. Phil's face speaks worlds, he's fed up, he's got his hands tied. This prayers for you Dr.Phil!!
Mollie Duck
You are probaby not perfect either....
Posted by: tuperdoo
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:55:30
We all have faults. I'm sure you can't say that you are the best parent in the world, just like the rest of us. But we all should do our best or we shouldn't be parents. These people seem like they are doing their best, although it isn't perfect.
Posted by: tuperdoo
Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:55:30
We all have faults. I'm sure you can't say that you are the best parent in the world, just like the rest of us. But we all should do our best or we shouldn't be parents. These people seem like they are doing their best, although it isn't perfect.
Forget perfect
Posted by: glenhanson
Posted on: 2003-11-14 17:45:39
I'm tired of hearing people to talk in terms of either the way things are or perfection. Perfection is never an option. To say that a situation (or the people creating it) isn't perfect avoids the real issue, which is: Is the situation as good as it could be, given the circumstances? The apologists for the goofy family, and the dizzy girl sacrificing her baby for her own selfishy motives, should chill. The alternative is not perfection. But, anyone who thinks these people have a clue, or are even close to being on the right track, probably aren't doing so well themselves. Misery loves company.
Posted by: glenhanson
Posted on: 2003-11-14 17:45:39
I'm tired of hearing people to talk in terms of either the way things are or perfection. Perfection is never an option. To say that a situation (or the people creating it) isn't perfect avoids the real issue, which is: Is the situation as good as it could be, given the circumstances? The apologists for the goofy family, and the dizzy girl sacrificing her baby for her own selfishy motives, should chill. The alternative is not perfection. But, anyone who thinks these people have a clue, or are even close to being on the right track, probably aren't doing so well themselves. Misery loves company.
Step back
Posted by: lhafel
Posted on: 2003-11-14 19:49:54
Look, this family came to Dr. Phil for help because they realize that they have major issues to work out. I think everyone just needs to law off and at least give them a chance to make things right. It's obvious to me that they have the best of intensions, they just need a little help. Let them give it a shot before writing them off so quickly.
Posted by: lhafel
Posted on: 2003-11-14 19:49:54
Look, this family came to Dr. Phil for help because they realize that they have major issues to work out. I think everyone just needs to law off and at least give them a chance to make things right. It's obvious to me that they have the best of intensions, they just need a little help. Let them give it a shot before writing them off so quickly.
Agree
Posted by: lezlee835
Posted on: 2003-11-20 02:29:46
I strongly agree. They obviously knew they have problems and need help. They wouldnt have asked if they didn't. There is no one in this world that is perfect. But you do your best. And whats good enough for you may not be good enough for others. Thats why we all are different and teach our children different things.
Posted by: lezlee835
Posted on: 2003-11-20 02:29:46
I strongly agree. They obviously knew they have problems and need help. They wouldnt have asked if they didn't. There is no one in this world that is perfect. But you do your best. And whats good enough for you may not be good enough for others. Thats why we all are different and teach our children different things.
Posted by: gooseygirl
Posted on: 2003-11-20 15:48:04
This family really needs help and I really hope that it is not too late. Katherine is only a little girl, I realize that, but if I had talked to my parents they way she does, I would have gotten my mouth mashed. It is obvious that her parents were too lazy when she was a little girl to take the time to teach her respect. It makes me wonder if they are going to be too lazy to do the things Dr. Phil is suggesting now.
family divided
Posted by: indreams12
Posted on: 2003-11-20 19:19:53
I too would have gotten a smash in the mouth for speaking that way to my parents,but if you stop to think about why kids talk that way to parents now days you'd know why they do, the courts and lawyers make it impossible to punish your kids now days. Kids get away with Parent Abuse, but parents can't touch the kids.
Posted by: indreams12
Posted on: 2003-11-20 19:19:53
I too would have gotten a smash in the mouth for speaking that way to my parents,but if you stop to think about why kids talk that way to parents now days you'd know why they do, the courts and lawyers make it impossible to punish your kids now days. Kids get away with Parent Abuse, but parents can't touch the kids.
SMASHMOUTH
Posted by: forthlin
Posted on: 2003-11-25 01:34:38
This talk of "smashing" kids in the mouth is upsetting. There are ways of disciplining and getting your point across without physical violence. Hitting a kid is just the easy way out for the parent, and it does no good.
Posted by: forthlin
Posted on: 2003-11-25 01:34:38
This talk of "smashing" kids in the mouth is upsetting. There are ways of disciplining and getting your point across without physical violence. Hitting a kid is just the easy way out for the parent, and it does no good.
"poor" kathrine
Posted by: kennedyj
Posted on: 2003-11-25 16:06:38
Ok yes i would have gotten popped in the mouth if i said half the stuff she says, however i had the respect or fear NOT to talk that way because i knew the punishment. I know shes young and dumb but i believe shes heading in the same direction as Alex. She needs to think about what is important to her and her future and realize that her family will be the main ones there for her when shes in trouble. I believe the saying goes "Dont burn your own bridges" or something like that. I didnt like my mom when i was a teen and now i get upset when i dont get to see her. If i would have treated her like crap as a teen then she wouldnt be as willing to help me out now. Does kathrine want to end up like alex? Boys are not people to count on for the love and support a family should provide. Thats what happens to all of us that end up being teen mothers. (minus those few that got lucky enough to find a good guy)
Posted by: kennedyj
Posted on: 2003-11-25 16:06:38
Ok yes i would have gotten popped in the mouth if i said half the stuff she says, however i had the respect or fear NOT to talk that way because i knew the punishment. I know shes young and dumb but i believe shes heading in the same direction as Alex. She needs to think about what is important to her and her future and realize that her family will be the main ones there for her when shes in trouble. I believe the saying goes "Dont burn your own bridges" or something like that. I didnt like my mom when i was a teen and now i get upset when i dont get to see her. If i would have treated her like crap as a teen then she wouldnt be as willing to help me out now. Does kathrine want to end up like alex? Boys are not people to count on for the love and support a family should provide. Thats what happens to all of us that end up being teen mothers. (minus those few that got lucky enough to find a good guy)
I AM SOO WITH YOU!!
Posted by: lbubbles88
Posted on: 2003-12-09 01:48:34
Girl! I am soo with you on the Katherine is on the same boat as her sister. Unless she gets over this self pity...and this wanting all the attention, she is going to get pregnant. And I bet she does get pregnant. I have a son and I'm 18 and if my brother EVER said that crap to me saying I'm stupid and a slut and crap. He would have gotten slapped soo hard. not by my mom and dad, but by me. I'm his older sister you don't tlak to you older brothers or sisters that way no matter what they do.
Posted by: lbubbles88
Posted on: 2003-12-09 01:48:34
Girl! I am soo with you on the Katherine is on the same boat as her sister. Unless she gets over this self pity...and this wanting all the attention, she is going to get pregnant. And I bet she does get pregnant. I have a son and I'm 18 and if my brother EVER said that crap to me saying I'm stupid and a slut and crap. He would have gotten slapped soo hard. not by my mom and dad, but by me. I'm his older sister you don't tlak to you older brothers or sisters that way no matter what they do.
DISRESPECT
Posted by: suzerach
Posted on: 2003-11-20 19:24:10
Unless Alexandria does a better job than Erin and Marty, Nathan will be a smart mouthed, spoiled, dispectful little brat just like Katherine. I agree. If I would've dared talked to my parents like she does, BAD NEWS. However, you don't see either one of the parents turning around and popping her. No, they just smile for the camera. Maybe when the camera is off the do something, doubtful, I have never seen Katherine with a fat lip the next day. You teach what you learn, and likewise, neither of my children would've dreamed getting away with that kind of behavior either.
Posted by: suzerach
Posted on: 2003-11-20 19:24:10
Unless Alexandria does a better job than Erin and Marty, Nathan will be a smart mouthed, spoiled, dispectful little brat just like Katherine. I agree. If I would've dared talked to my parents like she does, BAD NEWS. However, you don't see either one of the parents turning around and popping her. No, they just smile for the camera. Maybe when the camera is off the do something, doubtful, I have never seen Katherine with a fat lip the next day. You teach what you learn, and likewise, neither of my children would've dreamed getting away with that kind of behavior either.
disrespectful
Posted by: purcilla
Posted on: 2003-11-21 21:17:12
That Katherine needs some lessons, they should go ahead and let her be adobpted like she wanted, that would really be an eye opener for her.
Posted by: purcilla
Posted on: 2003-11-21 21:17:12
That Katherine needs some lessons, they should go ahead and let her be adobpted like she wanted, that would really be an eye opener for her.
purcilla
Posted by: simplifi
Posted on: 2004-07-15 13:39:55
Absolutley right* SOME of these teens are so dramatic and think they have all the answers. I guess I did too as a teen. But believe you me if I spoke to my parents the way this girl does! I would of gotten a wack or two. Nothing wrong with it either. She's a little drama queen with a big attitude. Lives in a beautiful home, seems to have everything materialistic that she could want. I know there is dysfunction among them that they are all working on. Like you say let her go and be adopted out of the family... see what happens then. There are plenty of teens out there suffering daily with the cards they have been delt. Go ahead Katherine ! See how the other half lives...
Posted by: simplifi
Posted on: 2004-07-15 13:39:55
Absolutley right* SOME of these teens are so dramatic and think they have all the answers. I guess I did too as a teen. But believe you me if I spoke to my parents the way this girl does! I would of gotten a wack or two. Nothing wrong with it either. She's a little drama queen with a big attitude. Lives in a beautiful home, seems to have everything materialistic that she could want. I know there is dysfunction among them that they are all working on. Like you say let her go and be adopted out of the family... see what happens then. There are plenty of teens out there suffering daily with the cards they have been delt. Go ahead Katherine ! See how the other half lives...
back talk
Posted by: huckie
Posted on: 2003-11-22 15:01:54
smacking Katherine for aggressive behavior toward her parents seems like a poor solution. She doesn't respect them and interestingly, she has been very open in admitting she feels this way, and has articulated her reasons for feeling this way. That takes a lot of self-clarity and you can't sum that up with the label "brat". She's angry, sure. But she as good reason to be. Sometimes, in the case of parenting has been sooooo poor, parents have to earn back respect. It would not appear that Erin is up for the job. Her attitude is too poor.
Posted by: huckie
Posted on: 2003-11-22 15:01:54
smacking Katherine for aggressive behavior toward her parents seems like a poor solution. She doesn't respect them and interestingly, she has been very open in admitting she feels this way, and has articulated her reasons for feeling this way. That takes a lot of self-clarity and you can't sum that up with the label "brat". She's angry, sure. But she as good reason to be. Sometimes, in the case of parenting has been sooooo poor, parents have to earn back respect. It would not appear that Erin is up for the job. Her attitude is too poor.
bad katherine
Posted by: bellakitty
Posted on: 2004-07-15 16:54:56
I agree that Katherine has been behaving poorly, BUT, i understand why. When I had my son at sixteen my little sister was the one who suffered the most.. Everybody was so concerened about me and the situation I was in that my sister got put on the back burner. She acted out and treated my family as if we were the devil incarnate. You have to understand, it is NOT Katherines fault that her sister got pregnant, it is NOT, Katherines fault that her family has to rearrange there life style to accomodate a baby now.. She has every right to be angry and unhappy. Yea, she has handled some things very poorly, but she 13, how mature were we at 13. Did you have a 15 yaer old sister who was pregnant? Maybe some of you did, if so think about how your siblings felMaybe the didn't act out, but I guarentee, they felt that way inside. Katherine's whole life has been tossed upside down. I truly feel for her and I hope she will be okay.
Posted by: bellakitty
Posted on: 2004-07-15 16:54:56
I agree that Katherine has been behaving poorly, BUT, i understand why. When I had my son at sixteen my little sister was the one who suffered the most.. Everybody was so concerened about me and the situation I was in that my sister got put on the back burner. She acted out and treated my family as if we were the devil incarnate. You have to understand, it is NOT Katherines fault that her sister got pregnant, it is NOT, Katherines fault that her family has to rearrange there life style to accomodate a baby now.. She has every right to be angry and unhappy. Yea, she has handled some things very poorly, but she 13, how mature were we at 13. Did you have a 15 yaer old sister who was pregnant? Maybe some of you did, if so think about how your siblings felMaybe the didn't act out, but I guarentee, they felt that way inside. Katherine's whole life has been tossed upside down. I truly feel for her and I hope she will be okay.
