06/20 Black Sheep of the Family
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Posted by: lcdock
Posted on: 2004-11-27 16:17:03
I have been tested and confirmed to have ADD but I have yet to get it under control. I am interested in the Dallas facility and any information or suggestions so that I can contol it and not it me. I am currently on Stattera but it does not help as much as I would like.
Posted by: lcdock
Posted on: 2004-11-27 16:17:03
I have been tested and confirmed to have ADD but I have yet to get it under control. I am interested in the Dallas facility and any information or suggestions so that I can contol it and not it me. I am currently on Stattera but it does not help as much as I would like.
Switch Meds
Posted by: steph6597
Posted on: 2004-11-29 08:58:16
My ex-husband is ADD, he took stratera for a while and it did not help at all. There are many meds on the market and one of those might help you more. My ex takes Aderall now and it is working very well. Ask your doctors to switch you to something different.
Posted by: steph6597
Posted on: 2004-11-29 08:58:16
My ex-husband is ADD, he took stratera for a while and it did not help at all. There are many meds on the market and one of those might help you more. My ex takes Aderall now and it is working very well. Ask your doctors to switch you to something different.
Dallas Facility for Brain Function Study
Posted by: wasque
Posted on: 2004-11-29 12:40:02
What is the name of the facility in Dallas, Texas that Dr. Phil was referring to?
Posted by: wasque
Posted on: 2004-11-29 12:40:02
What is the name of the facility in Dallas, Texas that Dr. Phil was referring to?
RE: Dallas Facility for Brain Function Study
Posted by: pb6936578
Posted on: 2004-11-29 14:28:06
The facility is the PsychoNeuroPlasticity Clinic
[http://pnp.franklawlis.com]
Posted by: pb6936578
Posted on: 2004-11-29 14:28:06
The facility is the PsychoNeuroPlasticity Clinic
[http://pnp.franklawlis.com]
Great Show!
Posted by: jenkneem
Posted on: 2004-11-30 11:36:10
This was a very interesting show. Garrett sure is a nice looking guy and he still has his whole life ahead of him. It would be such a shame for him to waste it in jail. I hope Dr. Phil can help him and his family. His poor Mother has been worried sick.
Michael was an interesting character. He reminds me of my brother hahaha.
It seems like there is really something to the ADD thing. It makes sense. but there have been a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon that probably don't have it. It must be hard to tell, unless you have Dr. Phil and thorough testing.
If the clinic ever holds a lottery, count me in! I was told I had ADD and I tried Ridalin. The impact it had on my decision making and organizational skills was fascinating. Unfortunately, I discontinued treatment and am currently uninsured.
Posted by: jenkneem
Posted on: 2004-11-30 11:36:10
This was a very interesting show. Garrett sure is a nice looking guy and he still has his whole life ahead of him. It would be such a shame for him to waste it in jail. I hope Dr. Phil can help him and his family. His poor Mother has been worried sick.
Michael was an interesting character. He reminds me of my brother hahaha.
It seems like there is really something to the ADD thing. It makes sense. but there have been a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon that probably don't have it. It must be hard to tell, unless you have Dr. Phil and thorough testing.
If the clinic ever holds a lottery, count me in! I was told I had ADD and I tried Ridalin. The impact it had on my decision making and organizational skills was fascinating. Unfortunately, I discontinued treatment and am currently uninsured.
from the mouth of a black sheep
Posted by: bleuparrot
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:20:20
I, too, went the route of drinking, drugs and irresponsible sex. Several times, I tried to straighten myself out. I had to completely leave my family to do that. As long as they had a black sheep, the other two siblings could be the "white" sheep. They had to put me down to be better than me. And since I have dispperaed from their lives, I have been off drugs for eight years, I've quit smoking, I work out and work full time and I have put myself through both a bachelor's and a master's degrees. But I could gaurantee you, that if I bumped into my siblings or my parents, they would only see the loser. Would it be the same for those two men today?
Dr. Phil didn't mention the birth order of those two black sheep - that would have been interesting to know.
Posted by: bleuparrot
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:20:20
I, too, went the route of drinking, drugs and irresponsible sex. Several times, I tried to straighten myself out. I had to completely leave my family to do that. As long as they had a black sheep, the other two siblings could be the "white" sheep. They had to put me down to be better than me. And since I have dispperaed from their lives, I have been off drugs for eight years, I've quit smoking, I work out and work full time and I have put myself through both a bachelor's and a master's degrees. But I could gaurantee you, that if I bumped into my siblings or my parents, they would only see the loser. Would it be the same for those two men today?
Dr. Phil didn't mention the birth order of those two black sheep - that would have been interesting to know.
Pieces Missing from the Show
Posted by: shuggy123
Posted on: 2005-06-23 20:00:11
There didn't seem to be much about how the family played a part in the making of the role of blacksheep. And families DO have something to do with the roles that people play in life.
I noticed that Garrett's mother said that both he and his "white sheep" brother were "raised the same." That simply is impossible. For one thing, there is a different number of people in the family for various birth orders and the family members are different ages when the various children are born. Other changes can occur such as a move or a change of job for one or both parents, and the parents relationship can be very different during the lives of various children in the same family. Most of all, children are people and just like all people, you like some more than others, and a mother likes and responds to her children differently no matter what she would like to believe. And that can influence the children, too.
Posted by: shuggy123
Posted on: 2005-06-23 20:00:11
There didn't seem to be much about how the family played a part in the making of the role of blacksheep. And families DO have something to do with the roles that people play in life.
I noticed that Garrett's mother said that both he and his "white sheep" brother were "raised the same." That simply is impossible. For one thing, there is a different number of people in the family for various birth orders and the family members are different ages when the various children are born. Other changes can occur such as a move or a change of job for one or both parents, and the parents relationship can be very different during the lives of various children in the same family. Most of all, children are people and just like all people, you like some more than others, and a mother likes and responds to her children differently no matter what she would like to believe. And that can influence the children, too.
How did you do it
Posted by: cooper1984
Posted on: 2005-07-01 09:20:24
How did you straighten yourself out? My son is the so called black sheep but it has been his choices that put him there. Drug use and now we can not have him in our home.
I would never see him again if he would be happy and have his life together can he do it alone?
Posted by: cooper1984
Posted on: 2005-07-01 09:20:24
How did you straighten yourself out? My son is the so called black sheep but it has been his choices that put him there. Drug use and now we can not have him in our home.
I would never see him again if he would be happy and have his life together can he do it alone?
Unbelieveable
Posted by: jbabette5
Posted on: 2004-11-30 17:49:50
The black sheep show was so ureal. I am the mother of a 24 year old getting out of jail this coming Thursday. He too has been in and out of trouble for years. He has sold drugs and told me he would only be doing it a little while. That must be a common way of thinking for these kids. I have done tuff love, counseling, ala-non and self help books but have never thought that my son may have add and that might be why he does what he does. My son has a twin sister that is about to graduate college to be a teacher and a brother that is in his first year of college as a music major at the Moores school of music at the University of Houston, I have been lost with what happened to the one who has been in jail and on drugs. Maybe I will take him to the place in Dallas since I live in North Richland Hills, Texas. I am desperate to help him turn his life around. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: jbabette5
Posted on: 2004-11-30 17:49:50
The black sheep show was so ureal. I am the mother of a 24 year old getting out of jail this coming Thursday. He too has been in and out of trouble for years. He has sold drugs and told me he would only be doing it a little while. That must be a common way of thinking for these kids. I have done tuff love, counseling, ala-non and self help books but have never thought that my son may have add and that might be why he does what he does. My son has a twin sister that is about to graduate college to be a teacher and a brother that is in his first year of college as a music major at the Moores school of music at the University of Houston, I have been lost with what happened to the one who has been in jail and on drugs. Maybe I will take him to the place in Dallas since I live in North Richland Hills, Texas. I am desperate to help him turn his life around. Thanks for the info.
Garrett
Posted by: mmilican
Posted on: 2005-06-20 15:58:54
My heart goes out to you concerning your 24 yr old son, my son is 32 years old and has no ability to see consequinses to his decisions and actions. He has been in prison 4 times, all non violent drug related and is out on parole and in violation now. Unless you are a parent of a child with this disorder, no one can possibility understand the grief we go through, I will pray for your son to have success.
Posted by: mmilican
Posted on: 2005-06-20 15:58:54
My heart goes out to you concerning your 24 yr old son, my son is 32 years old and has no ability to see consequinses to his decisions and actions. He has been in prison 4 times, all non violent drug related and is out on parole and in violation now. Unless you are a parent of a child with this disorder, no one can possibility understand the grief we go through, I will pray for your son to have success.
helpless
Posted by: deniseag61
Posted on: 2005-06-21 19:33:07
I sit here crying now after having just experienced what I call another Satan moment from my son. He stayed this way just long enough to get the whole family upset. Then he comes out of the Angry phase and tries to figure out life. He is 23 years old and has been this way for as long as I can remember. He was diagnosed with ADD in 7th grade, and it has been a fast downhill slide since then. I know in my heart something else is wrong with him. I don't know how I can live this way forever.
Posted by: deniseag61
Posted on: 2005-06-21 19:33:07
I sit here crying now after having just experienced what I call another Satan moment from my son. He stayed this way just long enough to get the whole family upset. Then he comes out of the Angry phase and tries to figure out life. He is 23 years old and has been this way for as long as I can remember. He was diagnosed with ADD in 7th grade, and it has been a fast downhill slide since then. I know in my heart something else is wrong with him. I don't know how I can live this way forever.
Ditto
Posted by: tlr2902
Posted on: 2005-06-21 20:22:30
My brother is 34 years old tomorrow, and he's been in and out of jail since he was 17. He's been diagnosed with ADD, but refuses to take his medication. He seems to think pot is the answer. My mother enables him totally... when you say anything about him she says "well so and so does that too, and so and so does this" instead of making him face up to his problems. He has 4 kids, and has no idea how to parent.
His daughter has ADD as well, and he refuses to get her medication. There is no structure in the house, it is totally chaotic there. You walk in, and the house is a complete disaster, yet he says that they clean every day (yeah right!). He plays video games all day, doesn't work, smokes dope, and drinks, and wonders why his kids don't behave. He just says she's a brat, but won't take anyones suggestions on how to help her. I finally sent a list of things to follow to his partner, and she said she'd read my information.
Obviously, letting them run wild, eat while walking all over the house, getting up whenever they choose and not getting dressed all day, and not spending time with them is not really working.
Hopefully they'll listen to me.
Posted by: tlr2902
Posted on: 2005-06-21 20:22:30
My brother is 34 years old tomorrow, and he's been in and out of jail since he was 17. He's been diagnosed with ADD, but refuses to take his medication. He seems to think pot is the answer. My mother enables him totally... when you say anything about him she says "well so and so does that too, and so and so does this" instead of making him face up to his problems. He has 4 kids, and has no idea how to parent.
His daughter has ADD as well, and he refuses to get her medication. There is no structure in the house, it is totally chaotic there. You walk in, and the house is a complete disaster, yet he says that they clean every day (yeah right!). He plays video games all day, doesn't work, smokes dope, and drinks, and wonders why his kids don't behave. He just says she's a brat, but won't take anyones suggestions on how to help her. I finally sent a list of things to follow to his partner, and she said she'd read my information.
Obviously, letting them run wild, eat while walking all over the house, getting up whenever they choose and not getting dressed all day, and not spending time with them is not really working.
Hopefully they'll listen to me.
hang in there
Posted by: davidb3069
Posted on: 2005-06-20 19:34:47
I am the black sheep of my family. I got into a very destructive cycle around 2 years ago and began using drugs, continuing my alcoholism and felony crimes. I can tell you that your son (and others like him) won't take the help until they are ready -- beat down as far as they can go to their bottom. I had to hit bottom. I ended up in jail, was released a year ago in April. I can relate to both of the guests on the show. I am not an artist... but I could simply replace his skills with mine (computers instead of art). I've always waited for my big break while destroying everything else in my life. The other guest with the criminal background is also me. The mindset is very real that was described.
Today I have been sober for 1 year (June 18 through Alcoholics Anonymous), clean of drugs for over a year and a half, attending college working on a degree and making plans for a positive, productive future. I am ADHD (diagnosed). Is this an excuse? No. Does it have an effect on my life and how I have to find ways to deal with situations? Yes.
Keep supporting your son. Don't be suprised if he doesn't "get it" right away... but keep supporting him. Don't "enable" him though as was mentioned on the show. Enabling him means it's going to take longer for him to hit his bottom. He won't look for or accept help or try to straighten out until that happens.
Good luck to you.
Posted by: davidb3069
Posted on: 2005-06-20 19:34:47
I am the black sheep of my family. I got into a very destructive cycle around 2 years ago and began using drugs, continuing my alcoholism and felony crimes. I can tell you that your son (and others like him) won't take the help until they are ready -- beat down as far as they can go to their bottom. I had to hit bottom. I ended up in jail, was released a year ago in April. I can relate to both of the guests on the show. I am not an artist... but I could simply replace his skills with mine (computers instead of art). I've always waited for my big break while destroying everything else in my life. The other guest with the criminal background is also me. The mindset is very real that was described.
Today I have been sober for 1 year (June 18 through Alcoholics Anonymous), clean of drugs for over a year and a half, attending college working on a degree and making plans for a positive, productive future. I am ADHD (diagnosed). Is this an excuse? No. Does it have an effect on my life and how I have to find ways to deal with situations? Yes.
Keep supporting your son. Don't be suprised if he doesn't "get it" right away... but keep supporting him. Don't "enable" him though as was mentioned on the show. Enabling him means it's going to take longer for him to hit his bottom. He won't look for or accept help or try to straighten out until that happens.
Good luck to you.
hang in there
Posted by: heforgives
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:30:53
Congratulations! It is great to hear your news. Keep up the good work and continue to encourage others.
Posted by: heforgives
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:30:53
Congratulations! It is great to hear your news. Keep up the good work and continue to encourage others.
I was the "female" version of Garrett
Posted by: silencieux
Posted on: 2005-06-20 19:55:13
I just had to respond to the post by "jbabette5" because she sounds so much like my own mother did when I was living such a life. She also did the Ala-non thing, the "tough love" and it only alienated me more. I was out of control most of my life thinking "I was just having fun". But the fun turned on me and I found myself in and out of rehabs for drug and alcohol abuse...nothing seemed to work. Not all the 12 step meetings, or the antidepressants I was given....I never thought I'd live past age 30 and neither did anyone else. I'll never forget my mother crying on the phone because she said she didn't even have enough money to buy a casket for me.
Long story short---By the GRACE OF GOD a doctor finally recognized the obvious characteristics of Adult ADD/ADHD and prescribed some medication. After the meds and reading all the literature...I'm grateful yet also FURIOUS that no body ever saw that! I haven't had a drink or drug since and what's more---I don't even crave them! at all! And all those antidepressants that did NOTHING for my "depression" but make me feel EVEN WORSE with all their side effects...all the things the antidepressants were "supposed" to do but never did do......is exactly what my ADD medication has done! The ADD medication IS "THE Antidepressant" my particular neurochemistry required. I don't know WHY we don't hear much about that aspect of it????
When i think of what my life could have been had I been properly diagnosed from the beginning--it, well, like I said I'm grateful AND saddened by all the lost opportunities. But that's a common reaction to most who are diagnosed as adults and it's very important to get good ADD counseling from a therapist in addition to the meds to help you work through the grief and educate you about "YOU" There's a book that sums it all up called "You mean I'm NOT LAZY, CRAZY OR STUPID" ?? not sure if that's the exact wording but it summed up how I've felt and many like me and possibly Garrett who have reached a point where they're just about to give up on themselves.
Being female, most doctors just "assume" you're depressed, if you're male odds are you'll get an "Anti-social" label slapped on you. And then there's the rehab centers all preaching about "if you just don't take a drink, you're having a good day". Well---NOT IN MY CASE!
I just want to encourage you to not give up on your son and be open to other causes. And I applaud Dr. Phil for seeing those ADD/ADHD characteristics of "thrill seeking, anything for an adrenaline rush, living on the edge" kind of behaviors that are red flags for ADD/ADHD. And those aren't the "only" behaviours.
okay i've said enough....I hope this message helps someone, somehow....and I SURE wish SOMEONE like Dr. Phil or my present "WONDERFUL DOC." could have diagnosed me BEFORE I went on to sabotage virtually every good thing in my life---ESPECIALLY HURTING THOSE WHO LOVED ME THE MOST!
Posted by: silencieux
Posted on: 2005-06-20 19:55:13
I just had to respond to the post by "jbabette5" because she sounds so much like my own mother did when I was living such a life. She also did the Ala-non thing, the "tough love" and it only alienated me more. I was out of control most of my life thinking "I was just having fun". But the fun turned on me and I found myself in and out of rehabs for drug and alcohol abuse...nothing seemed to work. Not all the 12 step meetings, or the antidepressants I was given....I never thought I'd live past age 30 and neither did anyone else. I'll never forget my mother crying on the phone because she said she didn't even have enough money to buy a casket for me.
Long story short---By the GRACE OF GOD a doctor finally recognized the obvious characteristics of Adult ADD/ADHD and prescribed some medication. After the meds and reading all the literature...I'm grateful yet also FURIOUS that no body ever saw that! I haven't had a drink or drug since and what's more---I don't even crave them! at all! And all those antidepressants that did NOTHING for my "depression" but make me feel EVEN WORSE with all their side effects...all the things the antidepressants were "supposed" to do but never did do......is exactly what my ADD medication has done! The ADD medication IS "THE Antidepressant" my particular neurochemistry required. I don't know WHY we don't hear much about that aspect of it????
When i think of what my life could have been had I been properly diagnosed from the beginning--it, well, like I said I'm grateful AND saddened by all the lost opportunities. But that's a common reaction to most who are diagnosed as adults and it's very important to get good ADD counseling from a therapist in addition to the meds to help you work through the grief and educate you about "YOU" There's a book that sums it all up called "You mean I'm NOT LAZY, CRAZY OR STUPID" ?? not sure if that's the exact wording but it summed up how I've felt and many like me and possibly Garrett who have reached a point where they're just about to give up on themselves.
Being female, most doctors just "assume" you're depressed, if you're male odds are you'll get an "Anti-social" label slapped on you. And then there's the rehab centers all preaching about "if you just don't take a drink, you're having a good day". Well---NOT IN MY CASE!
I just want to encourage you to not give up on your son and be open to other causes. And I applaud Dr. Phil for seeing those ADD/ADHD characteristics of "thrill seeking, anything for an adrenaline rush, living on the edge" kind of behaviors that are red flags for ADD/ADHD. And those aren't the "only" behaviours.
okay i've said enough....I hope this message helps someone, somehow....and I SURE wish SOMEONE like Dr. Phil or my present "WONDERFUL DOC." could have diagnosed me BEFORE I went on to sabotage virtually every good thing in my life---ESPECIALLY HURTING THOSE WHO LOVED ME THE MOST!
female garrett
Posted by: vsabelli
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:48:29
I really want to read that book you mentionned; can you check the title somehow?
Posted by: vsabelli
Posted on: 2005-06-20 21:48:29
I really want to read that book you mentionned; can you check the title somehow?
Wanting more . . .
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 10:11:25
I, too, would like to know the full title of the book you mentioned - along with the medication you were prescribed and where you found your wonderful treatment? I'm so happy it's helped you turn your life around! I'm hoping something similar can do so for my brother - who was diagnosed with hyperactivity when he was very young (he's now 37 and continues to have the many symptoms I've read here today).
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 10:11:25
I, too, would like to know the full title of the book you mentioned - along with the medication you were prescribed and where you found your wonderful treatment? I'm so happy it's helped you turn your life around! I'm hoping something similar can do so for my brother - who was diagnosed with hyperactivity when he was very young (he's now 37 and continues to have the many symptoms I've read here today).
Other options?
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 09:02:46
My brother was diagnosed with hyperactivity when he was very young - he's now 37. He was prescribed Ritalin and told he would ultimately grow out of it. As we all know, that is no longer true as Adult ADD or ADHD is now rampant. He currently lives in Boulder, CO - are there any facilities (hopefully in the CO area) OTHER than the one in Dallas where he can seek assistance? He, unfortunately, has no health insurance and is on a modest income. Any government assistance for this? How about any drug or other trials for these two illnesses?
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 09:02:46
My brother was diagnosed with hyperactivity when he was very young - he's now 37. He was prescribed Ritalin and told he would ultimately grow out of it. As we all know, that is no longer true as Adult ADD or ADHD is now rampant. He currently lives in Boulder, CO - are there any facilities (hopefully in the CO area) OTHER than the one in Dallas where he can seek assistance? He, unfortunately, has no health insurance and is on a modest income. Any government assistance for this? How about any drug or other trials for these two illnesses?
response to kself 06/21/05
Posted by: 101160
Posted on: 2005-06-21 10:11:25
hi i was reading your post and i don't know if you realize it or not but you have written"how about a drug or trails for these two illnesses"My question is this where do you get 2 illnesses?As far as i can see there is only one the ADD or ADHD.There isn't really any difference between the two is there ?I don't think so.But you are right like alot of people on this board and other boards have stated, there needs to be more health care coverage.Iam glad i live in Canada.
Posted by: 101160
Posted on: 2005-06-21 10:11:25
hi i was reading your post and i don't know if you realize it or not but you have written"how about a drug or trails for these two illnesses"My question is this where do you get 2 illnesses?As far as i can see there is only one the ADD or ADHD.There isn't really any difference between the two is there ?I don't think so.But you are right like alot of people on this board and other boards have stated, there needs to be more health care coverage.Iam glad i live in Canada.
Follow-up to 101160
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 11:38:17
Yes, ADHD and ADD are pretty much one and the same, as I understand it. The "two illnesses" I mentioned was concerning drug trials and/or treatments for both ADULT and CHILDREN, as I assume they would be treated differently. Sorry for the confusion!
Posted by: lcself
Posted on: 2005-06-21 11:38:17
Yes, ADHD and ADD are pretty much one and the same, as I understand it. The "two illnesses" I mentioned was concerning drug trials and/or treatments for both ADULT and CHILDREN, as I assume they would be treated differently. Sorry for the confusion!
